British Labour leader Corbyn set to back second Brexit referendum - report

[Basil B]

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

Only indicative therefore not import

So was the the 2016 referendum...

[Loiner]

So was the the 2016 referendum...

But the subsequent Withdrawal Acts are important. And they are now law.

[tebee]

[Nigel Garvie]

 

6 hours ago, Thairealist said:

  18 hours ago, bristolboy said:

I guess if you repeat a lie long enough some will believe it. A big majority of Labour voters support remain. The only nonsensical evidence purveyors of the falsehood provide is that Corbyn supports, (or supported) leave. Every poll, without exception, proves that's the case. And you don't even need the polls to establish that. There is no way that over 60% of labour voters could support Brexit if the referendum was 52-48. It takes either massive gullibility or a complete inability to cope with basic maths to believe otherwise.

 

6 hours ago, Thairealist said:

 

 In London I would agree with you,that the majority of Labour voters are for remain. However that is not the case in England and Wales. Where the vast majority,especially if you take away the traditional loyalty factor,are for leave.

Have a look at these figures for the UK. What is crystal clear is that the bulk of the lost Labour support was headed to remain parties (Libs and Greens) and only 14% going to the Brexit party. Even allowing for statistical error etc, there is no way that you can get anywhere remotely near the 60% figure. The Brexit support comes overwhelmingly from former Tory voters. 

[SheungWan]

23 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So he will ignore over 60% of the Labour voters who voted for brexit. He has changed his mind so much nobody believes him anymore. He has forgotten and betrayed the heartland of Labour voters and gone for the champagne Labourites of London and other luvvy lands.

 

The nearest he will get to number 10 is when he gets kicked out of the Labour party and has to walk past it. The sooner the better for me.

UKIP supporters getting upset about everything.

[evadgib]

11 hours ago, Thairealist said:

 

 In London I would agree with you,that the majority of Labour voters are for remain. However that is not the case in England and Wales. Where the vast majority,especially if you take away the traditional loyalty factor,are for leave.

UK may yet have already done just that...????

 

[stephenterry]

14 hours ago, vogie said:

Sorry for the late reply, we have journeyed to Rangsit for a bereavement on my wifes side.

 

The only reason the vote was so close is that nobody wanted to go through the rigmarole of an EU election, that went well didn't it. 

If ThaiVisa is anything to go by, remainers and leavers are hardly jubilant about Mays deal, it's time to regroup, rethink and back onto the offensive, not long to go now before we crash out.

No apologies needed. 

 

The UK won't crash out with no deal for reasons I have explained previously.  What could happen is that whilst the WAG won't be amended, the political statement could be changed during a transitional period to ensure the UK is not tied up unconditionally in an Irish backstop. Already Barnier has been discussing how the EU could soften its stance, possibly by agreeing that if the UK found an alternative technical solution - even if it took years - that could be acceptable.  Then its up to the UK to find this solution, by getting off their backsides and actually doing something except arguing amongst themselves. 

 

If an agreement is reached, May's deal would be more likely to pass through parliament - as the alternatives would not be in the Tory/Labour parties' interests.  

 

The bottom line is you voted to leave, this is the only deal in town whether you like it or not, either accept it or the government would be obliged to revoke Article 50, because it could never sanction a 'no deal' that would crash the economy...

 

and it would...

[stephenterry]

14 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Yes we do have votes on all sorts of things, and we re-vote AFTER those things have been implemented. 

If we didn't have remainers putting a spoke in the wheel at every opportunity we would have left the EU by now, and THEN we could have had a 2nd referendum a few years down the line. 

It's more accurate to place on record that hard Tory Brexiteers, e.g. the ERG, with c.70 supporters, prevented the WAG from passing through parliament. On an almost level playing field of tories v labour the Tory rebels had sufficient numbers to reject the bill. 

 

Nothing to do with remainers. Blame Rees-Mogg and his cohorts.

[stephenterry]

14 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

snippet apologies.

 

The saddest thing I realised is that if the UK continues to send meek UK politicians to Brussels to negotiate (e.g. like May/Robbins), we'll never get anywhere. The UK team should be lead by a strong leader, and complimented by successful British business leaders. 

 

 

The EU has made it crystal that the agreed WAG deal will not be amended, so it would be arrogant of the UK to believe they can negotiate changes in it through a new PM. It wouldn't happen

 

The only aspect that could be amended is the political statement, presumably on the Irish backstop that could break the impasse in parliament. No doubt  - ha ha - the PM contenders would be aware of this opportunity. 

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

The EU has made it crystal that the agreed WAG deal will not be amended, so it would be arrogant of the UK to believe they can negotiate changes in it through a new PM. It wouldn't happen

 

The only aspect that could be amended is the political statement, presumably on the Irish backstop that could break the impasse in parliament. No doubt  - ha ha - the PM contenders would be aware of this opportunity. 

The arrogance has belonged to the EU all thought this and May just let them progressively bully the UK more and more. I do not believe that all 27 remaining members want the UK to be humiliated and punished like this. Unless the EU is put on the spot, we will never know what could have been agreed. Unfortunately, because of May's awful negotiation strategy, it will now take leaving without a deal to find out what possible fair arrangements could be agreed. The global economy is slowing - the EU will need the UK's money and trade - whatever happens.  

[Nigel Garvie]

11 hours ago, tebee said:

It is hard to imagine how anyone, even Corbyn, could be this stupid. However we forget the forces of darkness are controlling him. The gross Len MacClusky, Trot toffs Seamus Milne, Murray, and Shneider in the Politburo (Elected by no-one), and party chair Laverty, whose most recent contribution shows he has completely lost touch with reality. Corbyn is a well meaning, but inadequate and weak tool in their hands. Even MacDonnell is jumping ship.

[metisdead]

A troll post containing a profane representation of Brexit has been removed. 

[tebee]

[aright]

[JamesBlond]

Absolute disgrace. Every politician who supports a second referendum to get the result they want should be impeached and penalised for undermining democracy. What happened to the old concept of Britishness - playing by the rules, dignity in defeat, stiff upper lip...? Well, we know what happened. Standing up for Britishnesss is what Brexit is all about. No more fannying about. Just get out now.

[Loiner]

47 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

Absolute disgrace. Every politician who supports a second referendum to get the result they want should be impeached and penalised for undermining democracy. What happened to the old concept of Britishness - playing by the rules, dignity in defeat, stiff upper lip...? Well, we know what happened. Standing up for Britishnesss is what Brexit is all about. No more fannying about. Just get out now.

Its fairly clear that Leavers maintain the concept of Britishnesh, like rule, fairplay and democracy. The Remainers have obviously gone all European style in their approach - foul play, dirty tricks and cheating.

[stephenterry]

On 5/30/2019 at 10:36 PM, JamesBlond said:

Absolute disgrace. Every politician who supports a second referendum to get the result they want should be impeached and penalised for undermining democracy. What happened to the old concept of Britishness - playing by the rules, dignity in defeat, stiff upper lip...? Well, we know what happened. Standing up for Britishnesss is what Brexit is all about. No more fannying about. Just get out now.

if you care about your country, you wouldn't want it to be economically ruined by 'getting out now'. Why do you think Parliament is blocking May's deal? Because they're protecting the country from the aftermath of Brexit. IMO, the quicker the government revokes Article 50, the better for Britain.

[stephenterry]

On 5/30/2019 at 11:26 PM, Loiner said:

Its fairly clear that Leavers maintain the concept of Britishnesh, like rule, fairplay and democracy. The Remainers have obviously gone all European style in their approach - foul play, dirty tricks and cheating.

It's fairly clear you don't have a clue what you're talking about and best ignored for such an idiotic statement.  Or are you trolling?

[Nigel Garvie]

7 hours ago, stephenterry said:

It's fairly clear you don't have a clue what you're talking about and best ignored for such an idiotic statement.  Or are you trolling?

 

7 hours ago, stephenterry said:

On 5/30/2019 at 5:26 PM, Loiner said:

Its fairly clear that Leavers maintain the concept of Britishnesh, like rule, fairplay and democracy. The Remainers have obviously gone all European style in their approach - foul play, dirty tricks and cheating.

Ah foul play, dirty tricks, and cheating, just what won the referendum in the first place.

[Chomper Higgot]

On 5/30/2019 at 11:26 PM, Loiner said:

Its fairly clear that Leavers maintain the concept of Britishnesh, like rule, fairplay and democracy. The Remainers have obviously gone all European style in their approach - foul play, dirty tricks and cheating.

The derision this response rightfully deserves would break at least 4 forum rules. 

[Loiner]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The derision this response rightfully deserves would break at least 4 forum rules. 

Just try a couple then.

[Loiner]

7 hours ago, stephenterry said:

It's fairly clear you don't have a clue what you're talking about and best ignored for such an idiotic statement.  Or are you trolling?

 

11 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

 

Ah foul play, dirty tricks, and cheating, just what won the referendum in the first place.

Sorry, I forgot a couple of the other Remainers Euro styles - deception and insults.