eggers Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Ok, new Gov't, should be able to have 'free- wheeling'" fugitive & "his puppet" extradited to both serve time as convicted!! If not, Why Not?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 minute ago, eggers said: Ok, new Gov't, should be able to have 'free- wheeling'" fugitive & "his puppet" extradited to both serve time as convicted!! If not, Why Not?????? Because the rest of the world sees the charges for what they are......politcal nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 4 hours ago, webfact said: The court also noted that the illegal lottery project had prompted the GLO to withdraw 20 billion baht from the Government Savings Bank as reserves for the lottery project. The court said that Thaksin was fully aware of the risks, but didn’t take any precautions to cushion those risks. This is the 'beauty' of being tried in absentia. No arguments from the defendant. The court can create whatever rationale it wants to make a conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozman52 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, pornprong said: Because the rest of the world sees the charges for what they are......politcal nonsense. How would ANYBODY describe the billion baht KTB case as political nonsense. Certainly not his co-accused rotting in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozman52 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Srikcir said: This is the 'beauty' of being tried in absentia. No arguments from the defendant. The court can create whatever rationale it wants to make a conviction. He can come back any time he likes. He can send his lawyers to defend. The alternative is to let wealthy fugitives wait the SOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, pattayadgw said: what should the sentence be for someone who illegally changes a countries constitution? None! Assuming you're referring to military coup-leader Prayut's personally revoking the 2007 Constitution in May 2014 and replacing it unilaterally with the 2014 Interim Constitution, I reference the following: King Bhumibol Adulyadej assented to and signed the constitution on 22 July 2014.[3] The constitution came into force on that day and replaced the 2007 constitution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_interim_constitution_of_Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 On the bright side the sentence is only a fifth of a vape sellers the wonders of justice mysterious ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozman52 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said: Still overwhelmingly popular in the North and North East, despite the Junta propaganda and brainwashing. His proxy party won the most votes, even after all that has happened, further illustrating that his influence has not yet been eradicated. Which makes him a popular criminal, not an effective defence. PPRP won the most votes, and are not his proxy party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ozman52 said: Which makes him a popular criminal, not an effective defence. PPRP won the most votes, and are not his proxy party. In a rigged election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozman52 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said: Come back to Thailand under a military, sorry can't call it what it was... junta. The very same group that organised protests as an excuse to mount two military coups and a judicial coup against him. The same group that has rewritten the constitution, given themselves amnesty for crimes and continues to rob the Thai people, financially and of a voice. Come back to article 44. Come back to an influenced and controlled judiciary. Yeh... can see that being entirely fair. Wake up son. would you like to comment on the alternatives, or would that be too difficult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, Ozman52 said: He can come back any time he likes. He can send his lawyers to defend. The alternative is to let wealthy fugitives wait the SOL. Thaksin is much much smarter than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisswe Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, steven100 said: Doe's anyone in Thailand really care anymore about this guy .... I don't think so. He's gone .... he's a runaway .... finished ...kaput !! Forget him and move on. Sorry roughly 38-40 milj Thais still stand behind him, and the "junta" know it wery well !!! Why do you think they still hunting him !!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Quote The lottery case (named "onland" lotto as opposed to "underground" lottery) involves two main issues _ the questionable right of the government to introduce such a lottery scheme and alleged misuse of income generated from the sales. The court also ruled that money generated by the sales could not be used freely by the government. The Thaksin government introduced the new lottery in 2003, saying it was designed to eliminate underground lottery operations. Investigators of the Assets Examination Committee concluded that the cabinet resolution to legalise the two and threedigit lottery scheme went against the Government Lottery Office Act, as the nature of the scheme was different from the office's mainstream six-digit lottery. (Nation - 2009) Nowhere is there mention of a big sum of money from GSB. This supposed sum literally seems to have just popped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 hours ago, scorecard said: Don't agree. He broke the law and should be punished same as every other person who breaks a law. Then if that is the case, Prayuth and Prawit and literally all the top heads could be incarcerated as they are all not clean as the white driven snow without their safety nets.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, Ozman52 said: How would ANYBODY describe the billion baht KTB case as political nonsense. Certainly not his co-accused rotting in prison. What's your thinking, there are no innocent's rotting in Thai prisons? All political convictions in Thailand, particularly those occurring after the 2006 coup, should be viewed with suspicion. (unless of course one needs something to justify their unpleasant political views) Out of curiosity, why the need to mention the KTB case. It is of course a giveaway that you know this lottery case is absolute nonsense. Thaksin currently travels the world freely, as does Yingluck because most EVERYBODY sees the charges as political nonsense, catch up sunshine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I imagine somewhere in the bowels of some Thai bureaucracy in Bangkok there are a small group of Apparatchiks who do nothing other than think up crimes to prosecute a Shin over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 4 hours ago, steven100 said: Doe's anyone in Thailand really care anymore about this guy .... I don't think so. He's gone .... he's a runaway .... finished ...kaput !! Forget him and move on. He's far from gone. Who to you think owns Pheu Thai, the party banned for it's recent shannigans, and possibly others? His chances of getting back here, completely whitewashed with all convictions, sentences and outstanding cases made to go away must be getting remoter. But as a multi billionaire who has enriched his family clan enormously, that shouldn't bother him. But it must be sad to have all that wealth and an ego and obsession that prevents you enjoying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 42 minutes ago, connda said: I imagine somewhere in the bowels of some Thai bureaucracy in Bangkok there are a small group of Apparatchiks who do nothing other than think up crimes to prosecute a Shin over. They don't have to think them up! Plenty of cases to go at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiBunny Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Just now, Baerboxer said: They don't have to think them up! Plenty of cases to go at. Every opportunity for corruption the current mob missed out on because Thaksin wouldn't play nice with them and share the spoils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 44 minutes ago, pornprong said: What's your thinking, there are no innocent's rotting in Thai prisons? All political convictions in Thailand, particularly those occurring after the 2006 coup, should be viewed with suspicion. (unless of course one needs something to justify their unpleasant political views) Out of curiosity, why the need to mention the KTB case. It is of course a giveaway that you know this lottery case is absolute nonsense. Thaksin currently travels the world freely, as does Yingluck because most EVERYBODY sees the charges as political nonsense, catch up sunshine. Ah Thaksin's defense counsel posts again! No one interferes with the Shins outside Thailand because a) Thai governments don't really try to do anything despite the huff and puff face shows occasionally and b) they are billionaires who travel by private planes and use VIP channels. One rule for the mega wealthy another for the rest. Yingluck has a Cambodian passport and probably others. Thaksin has other nationalities. KTB - are you denying the facts of that case? There is nothing political about that apart from a crook using his political office for fraud. How's the case against his wee lad progressing for pocketing a nice little earner from this fraud? Too many politicians are squealing "political" every time they're caught out doing something criminal. The real issue is the selectivity of law enforcement and application. But that doesn't mean that all crooks are innocent. It means some are still getting away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said: Every opportunity for corruption the current mob missed out on because Thaksin wouldn't play nice with them and share the spoils Correct. He wanted everything for him and his family only. Took them on and found his idea of a Shin kleptocracy wasn't strong enough to beat them. Still trying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 There are thousands of agents involved in the illegal lottery who are committing a crime, don't recall even one ever being arrested. When sister in law had a problem with a fake lottery winner trying to con her she actually called the army, and they turned up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozman52 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 47 minutes ago, pornprong said: What's your thinking, there are no innocent's rotting in Thai prisons? All political convictions in Thailand, particularly those occurring after the 2006 coup, should be viewed with suspicion. (unless of course one needs something to justify their unpleasant political views) Out of curiosity, why the need to mention the KTB case. It is of course a giveaway that you know this lottery case is absolute nonsense. Thaksin currently travels the world freely, as does Yingluck because most EVERYBODY sees the charges as political nonsense, catch up sunshine. I brought up the KTB case because there is nothing political about it, a clear case of abuse of power and theft, with part of the spoils distributed to his family. Only a sycophant could refute the legitimacy of the charges. It is clear to me why the Shinawatras are not brought back; to avoid political turmoil and violence, which follows them like stink on a pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiBunny Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: Correct. He wanted everything for him and his family only. Took them on and found his idea of a Shin kleptocracy wasn't strong enough to beat them. Still trying though. This is Thailand - what else do you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 hours ago, webfact said: Thaksin gets two years in prison over 2 and 3 digit lottery project You said this 20 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: Ah Thaksin's defense counsel posts again! No one interferes with the Shins outside Thailand because a) Thai governments don't really try to do anything despite the huff and puff face shows occasionally and b) they are billionaires who travel by private planes and use VIP channels. One rule for the mega wealthy another for the rest. Yingluck has a Cambodian passport and probably others. Thaksin has other nationalities. KTB - are you denying the facts of that case? There is nothing political about that apart from a crook using his political office for fraud. How's the case against his wee lad progressing for pocketing a nice little earner from this fraud? Too many politicians are squealing "political" every time they're caught out doing something criminal. The real issue is the selectivity of law enforcement and application. But that doesn't mean that all crooks are innocent. It means some are still getting away with it. Some interesting pro and anti letters to the Economist. https://www.economist.com/node/12470539/comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Srikcir said: This is the 'beauty' of being tried in absentia. No arguments from the defendant. The court can create whatever rationale it wants to make a conviction. Nothing stops him from putting some lawyers on the case and having some video conference from the safe place Dubai. But this case against him is stupid other cases have merit but this one.. I don't think so. But why should people who chose to run have the advantage of their trials being stopped and going over the statute of limitation and getting more difficult because of finding witnesses and the time that passes. Some like for instance red bull, that case should be tried in absentia. Unfortunately the stupid junta only made it for political crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonltr Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Here are Farangs hand wringing over points of law whilst the Thais don't give a damn. In their eyes all politicians are corrupt and only are interested in what they are given. Had a GF who's family had to sell all land and house to pay for a parents hospital bills. Now live in a shack. Another in a large wooden house without individual rooms. The honourable father refused to sell saying he could not be happy in the next life knowing his family were homeless. He died in pain. Hospitals often said falsely that there were good outcome chances! Along comes Thaksin with the 30 baht scheme and the result for the poor is life changing. Add the pension scheme. Only 300 baht to begin but impossible to cancel. Ask the older poor Thais about those pre Thaksin days and you will understand why he is still loved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Most countries will applaud their government for stopping illegal gambling by making it legal but here you get charged for malfeasance 16 years in the making. Those military and police syndicates must have lost lots of money scamming their fixed illegal gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proboscis Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 It seems that Thailand is becomming like the Philippines, where the next regime/president prosecutes and tries to jail the previous regime/president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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