U.S. cities brace for immigration raids, say they will not participate

[rooster59]

U.S. cities brace for immigration raids, say they will not participate

 

FILE PHOTO: Migrants from Central America form a human chain to cross the Rio Bravo river to enter illegally into the United States to turn themselves in to request for asylum in El Paso, Texas, U.S., as seen from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico June 11, 2019. REUTERS/Jose Luis Gonzalez/File Photo

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. cities expecting to be hit by a wave of immigration raids intended to deport recently arrived families who are in the United States illegally said on Friday they would not cooperate with federal authorities.

 

In a call with reporters earlier this week, Mark Morgan, the acting director of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said the agency would target for deportation families that have received a removal order from a U.S. immigration court.

 

The Washington Post reported on Friday that the operation is slated to launch on Sunday and is expected to target up to 2,000 families facing deportation orders in as many as 10 U.S. cities, including Houston, Chicago, Miami and Los Angeles.

 

A spokesman for ICE declined to comment, saying it would not offer details on operations before their conclusion.

 

Chicago's Mayor Lori Lightfoot said she had terminated ICE's access to Chicago Police Department (CPD) databases related to federal immigration enforcement activities in response to the threat of raids.

 

"I have also personally spoken with ICE leadership in Chicago and voiced my strong objection to any such raids. Further, I reiterated that CPD will not cooperate with or facilitate any ICE enforcement actions," Lightfoot said in a statement.

 

The Los Angeles Police Department said in a series of tweets it would not participate or assist in the immigration enforcement actions.

 

Houston's Mayor Sylvester Turner noted in a statement the "rich cultural contributions" of the city's immigrants, and said: "The city does not try to do ICE's job, nor does it try to impede ICE."

 

Morgan said earlier this week that ICE wanted to deport families who had recently arrived illegally in the United States to discourage more Central Americans from arriving.

 

The number of migrants apprehended crossing the U.S.-Mexico border surged in May to the highest level since 2006.

 

Most of the migrants are fleeing violence, poverty and corruption in Central America, and are seeking asylum, a process that can take years. Many families are released into the United States for the duration of the process because of limits on how long children can be detained.

 

The Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

 

Separately, the governor of Texas said the state was deploying 1,000 National Guard troops to the border after he said more than 45,000 people were apprehended illegally crossing in the past three weeks.

 

(Reporting by Kristina Cooke and Makini Brice; Additional reporting by Tim Ahmann; Editing by Chris Reese and Rosalba O'Brien)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-06-22

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[Tug]

Ice doesent have the facility’s or manpower to accomplish this on a large scale it’s mostly trump bs to his base

[riclag]

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

U.S. cities expecting to be hit by a wave of immigration raids intended to deport recently arrived families who are in the United States illegally said on Friday they would not cooperate with federal authorities.

They cross illegally and give themselves up to a IO or border patrol officer ,easie peasy

Now that they are being summon ,they don't want to cooperate! Go figure!

Edited June 22, 2019 by riclag

[riclag]

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

A spokesman for ICE declined to comment, saying it would not offer details on operations before their conclusion.

The last time they gave info ,I think the Oakland authorities warned everybody not to answer the door! ICE won't be given any info ,lesson learned.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/01/589948064/oakland-mayor-stands-by-fair-warning-of-impending-ice-operation

[Emdog]

How does a city, or an individual, "brace" for doing nothing?

[ThaiFelix]

But then who will mow the lawns and tend gardens etc for slave wages?

[riclag]

9 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

But then who will mow the lawns and tend gardens etc for slave wages?

The many before them... What do you think happens to those people who have migrated and started cutting and cleaning for years only to be pushed out by newcomers.Where do they go!

Edited June 22, 2019 by riclag

[jany123]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

They cross illegally and give themselves up to a IO or border patrol officer ,easie peasy

Now that they are being summon ,they don't want to cooperate! Go figure!

 In crossing and surrendering to an IO, aren’t they complying with the law ( as in... not acting illegally)? But... to be summoned after the game has been changed, and then they object?. Indeed.... Go figure

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, jany123 said:

 In crossing and surrendering to an IO, aren’t they complying with the law ( as in... not acting illegally)? But... to be summoned after the game has been changed, and then they object?. Indeed.... Go figure

The article says they entered illegally 

U.S. cities expecting to be hit by a wave of immigration raids intended to deport recently arrived families who are in the United States illegally said on Friday they would not cooperate with federal authorities.

Edited June 22, 2019 by riclag

[Sujo]

Correct call by those cities reps. Its not the job of police to do ICEs job. Police resources are better spent on doing police work.

 

ICE can spend their own money and resources to do their own job.

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, jany123 said:

 In crossing and surrendering to an IO, aren’t they complying with the law ( as in... not acting illegally)? But... to be summoned after the game has been changed, and then they object?. Indeed.... Go figure

Or maybe it means because they won't cooperate with a summons,they are illegal. Neither here or there "illegal"

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

The article says they entered illegally 

U.S. cities expecting to be hit by a wave of immigration raids intended to deport recently arrived families who are in the United States illegally said on Friday they would not cooperate with federal authorities.

It is not illegal until after asylum requests are determined. 

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

It is not illegal until after asylum requests are determined. 

So what does  the reference illegal in reference to people not coming to court after being summons or people being called illegal because they don't want to cooperate with immigration  

[riclag]

5 hours ago, rooster59 said:

In a call with reporters earlier this week, Mark Morgan, the acting director of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said the agency would target for deportation families that have received a removal order from a U.S. immigration court.

Seems like their time has come to go to court  for their review

[jany123]

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

The article says they entered illegally 

U.S. cities expecting to be hit by a wave of immigration raids intended to deport recently arrived families who are in the United States illegally said on Friday they would not cooperate with federal authorities.

The article says that US cities, expecting to be hit by ICE raids, will not co operate with ICE.

The article states that local civil administration, including law enforcement, across the country, will not cooperate with the trumps people.

the article states that non federal powers, will ignore the trumps federal powers

the article says a lot... most of it drawing a vivid picture of a raised middle finger directed at the trump... but you go ahead and call it as you see it.

[jany123]

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

Or maybe it means because they won't cooperate with a summons,they are illegal. Neither here or there "illegal"

Or... your parroting the trumps words... meanwhile, your stating “they won’t...” when an alternative might be “they have not...”, or “”they were unable...” which introduces mitigating circumstances to the ending your espousing, which is.. “they are illegal”.... once you start with mitigating circumstances... well... now it’s a different story, as those dreaded “human rights” are still “here or there”, and so perhaps they are not as “illegal” as the trump (and his “retweeters”) think.

[Ozman52]

9 minutes ago, jany123 said:

Or... your parroting the trumps words... meanwhile, your stating “they won’t...” when an alternative might be “they have not...”, or “”they were unable...” which introduces mitigating circumstances to the ending your espousing, which is.. “they are illegal”.... once you start with mitigating circumstances... well... now it’s a different story, as those dreaded “human rights” are still “here or there”, and so perhaps they are not as “illegal” as the trump (and his “retweeters”) think.

Are you saying that illegal immigrants, AFTER their case for asylum has been looked at and rejected by a court, shouldn't be deported because of their "human rights"?

[Baerboxer]

By refusing to co-operate and therefore aiding criminals, illegal immigrants are criminals because they willingly chose to break laws, aren't these cities' officials guilty of breaking laws? Is aiding an abetting criminals ok within the law?

 

I don't know American law so wonder if our American posters can confirm please?

 

It does show again, how left wing politicians are prepared to ignore laws and obstruct their enforcement when it suits their political agenda. Dangerous precedents and unfortunately a growing trend in many countries where the left only respect laws they like.

[Brigand]

Don't know what the issue is here other than follow the law. Immigration needs to be legal and illegal entry needs to be stomped on to send the message that following the bloody law is the way to go. Funny how the detractors to this have little flak to give the Thai authorities when they round up illegals and deport, even praise it sometimes ... if, that is, they have the nuts to even post in the Thai forums.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Brigand

[bristolboy]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

By refusing to co-operate and therefore aiding criminals, illegal immigrants are criminals because they willingly chose to break laws, aren't these cities' officials guilty of breaking laws? Is aiding an abetting criminals ok within the law?

 

I don't know American law so wonder if our American posters can confirm please?

 

 

No. Because of Federalism. Federal government can't suborn the services of states or municipalities.

[zydeco]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Migrants from Central America form a human chain to cross the Rio Bravo river to enter illegally into the United States to turn themselves in to request for asylum in El Paso, Texas,

Well, you can certainly see whose side the article is taking. The "Rio Bravo" refers to the "Rio Grande." The article, written in English, supposedly for an American audience primarily, wants us to adopt the Mexican designation for the river.

[Benmart]

2 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

But then who will mow the lawns and tend gardens etc for slave wages?

My buddy in SOCAL pays way above minimum wage for his hispanic employees. He also pays overtime and all the coverages required by law. Your broadbrush ignorance is much like me saying everyone is like my buddy.

[Lucius verus]

I agree with George Carlin's analogy of the USA.....'America is finished. Just watch the water emptying out in the kitchen sink and as it gets closer to the little holes the water will swirl around faster and faster then disappear altogether.

Nuff said.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

No. Because of Federalism. Federal government can't suborn the services of states or municipalities.

A principal Trump supporters would throw to the wind, because their own ends justify the means.

 

Which is rather odd because historically the separation of powers between States and the Federal Government has been an an article of faith amongst Republicans.

[Sujo]

7 hours ago, riclag said:

So what does  the reference illegal in reference to people not coming to court after being summons or people being called illegal because they don't want to cooperate with immigration  

Because any action is stayed pending an asylum determination.

 

in some countries it is near impossible to get a passport so some use false papers to enter another country to request asylum. For instance a north korean trying to get out.

 

In that instance whilst the act is in itself illegal the asylum request,  if granted would render the applicant legal.

 

So, the person is in fact not considered an illegal until all avenues of appeal are finalised.

[mekong.star]

Deport them all.


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[Trouble]

I think that they intend to go after those that have already had their day in court, been denied permanent status and were issued a deportation order. They are not going after those who have not been to court.  I think the story is a little misleading.

[Sujo]

47 minutes ago, Trouble said:

I think that they intend to go after those that have already had their day in court, been denied permanent status and were issued a deportation order. They are not going after those who have not been to court.  I think the story is a little misleading.

Could be. I hope they have all the infrastructure in place to hold them while they determine where they are to be sent.

 

Thats a lot of people in a short space of time. Lots to take care of while they sort through it all.

[gk10002000]

9 hours ago, Emdog said:

How does a city, or an individual, "brace" for doing nothing?

oh, probably have a bunch of lawyers on standby, instructing all the city officials on how to handle when ICE knocks on the door, how to handle requests, or support etc.   With a valid court/judge order to be removed, my old fashioned civic lessons and education would tell me there is no valid reason for the states to not cooperate.  I have seen some USA cities have parts of their infrastructure and finances really impacted by immigrants.  Los Angeles major hospitals went out of business as the emergency rooms were inundated with non emergency care requests

[meand]

I only have one question. How can you make it miles across a grueling desert with very little water, snakes, rapists.. and then not even be able to handle knee deep water without a chain gang.