Rescue ship's captain accuses European states of abandoning migrants

[simple1]

49 minutes ago, Ozman52 said:

Yes you would, but you aren't the one paying for it, are you? So who gets to vote on the issue, the taxpayers of the country or some bleeding heart keyboard warrior?

 

Is it any wonder the countries of southern Europe are choosing to block illegal immigrants?

 

I assume you're Australian with no tax exposure to the EU. In Australia more asylum seekers arrive by plane than have arrived by boat and are processed onshore based upon Rule of Law. Accordingly are you lobbying the Oz government to cancel it's international humanitarian agreements? BTW Oz offshore processing is approx $400k p.a. for each detainee, the most expensive 'solution' in the world. 

[simple1]

15 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

I was watching a TV documentary about migrants and the UK home office policy etc. Some of the participants were very deserving, e.g. kids of the Windrush generation under threat of deportation through lack of documentation etc. It's a disgrace those people were treated this way. 

But on the other hand there was a guy who had migrated from Cameroon using a fake marriage.  The fake marriage was quickly discovered, so he then claimed political asylum. That was rejected, and he spent two years appealing. He found out that there was increasing political turmoil in Cameroon, and that there was a small rally up north somewhere in the UK, and was advised to attend the rally to improve his chances in the asylum case. He attended the rally and then in his next appeal claimed that political leaders in Cameroon will have identified him at the rally, so his life would be in danger if he was sent back there. His appeal was rejected again, probably on the basis that he was a serial liar. He's still in the UK, still in accommodation. 

My point being that yes, asylum seekers must be processed. But very few are actually returned to their origin even when asylum is not established. And the migrants know this. 

 

In the UK a much greater issue is visa over stayers in their hundreds of thousands. One assumes they work illegally, plus other issues which impact UK citizens and the economy. Isn't it odd that this matter gets minimal coverage in comparison to one Cameroon national...

Edited July 1, 2019 by simple1

[RJRS1301]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I assume you're Australian with no tax exposure to the EU. In Australia more asylum seekers arrive by plane than have arrived by boat and are processed onshore based upon Rule of Law. Accordingly are you lobbying the Oz government to cancel it's international humanitarian agreements? BTW Oz offshore processing is approx $400k p.a. for each detainee, the most expensive 'solution' in the world. 

The 400k AUD is not processing it is the cost of permanent detention, irrespective of status, as if attempted boat entry, forever refused entry to Oz. More arriving by plane on temp tourist visas then filing for refugees status, but processed on shore.

Australia has breached all its humanitarian agreements and has been criticised for several years by both Amnesty International and the UN 

 

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

The 400k AUD is not processing it is the cost of permanent detention, irrespective of status, as if attempted boat entry, forever refused entry to Oz. More arriving by plane on temp tourist visas then filing for refugees status, but processed on shore.

Australia has breached all its humanitarian agreements and has been criticised for several years by both Amnesty International and the UN 

 

My error with wording, yes annual cost for processing and detention, more accurately currently indefinite detention

[Opl]

5 hours ago, simple1 said:

Please just try a minimal effort and you will have your answers and No, Libya is not a viable country to return asylum seekers due to the awful level of physical and sexual abuse as well as the ongoing civil war.

Right, so Wonder why Asians, Africans, N.Africans economic migrants engaged in smuggling into Europe consider they have to go to Lybia to start the route.

Nobody obliged them to go there.  

But it's a way I presume to get an Asylum status easier, for not all of them come from insecure countries.

in the end, vetting the reality of the situation of each individual is a challenge.. to say the least

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[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, Tug said:

Bs bucko save the people let the authorities sort them out did she pick them up for money?

YES. She's paid to go pick them up. If she's doing it for free, tell me, and I'll apologise.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

Australia has breached all its humanitarian agreements and has been criticised for several years by both Amnesty International and the UN 

Ooh, Amnesty International and the UN ( that organisation who's response to warfare is to wring it's hands and ask the combatants to play nicely ). I'm sure the Australian authorities are quaking in their shoes.

The Australian solution to the boats has probably saved hundreds if not thousands of lives. 

[BobBKK]

The facts are simple. She's a rich kid who takes up 'saving the world' as part of her raison d'etre  and she was making an immature political point. Italy told her not to come into Port as they knew what she was doing. She rejected that order and endangered others. She has been arrested and I hope she is jailed for her stupidity. She can be the darling of the pc liberals, for a week or two, then forgotten. If the Harbor Master say's you cannot enter then that is it. IF she had taken them back to where they came from my view would be opposite, she was complicit in illegality and she's pay's the price.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Opl said:

Right, so Wonder why Asians, Africans, N.Africans economic migrants engaged in smuggling into Europe consider they have to go to Lybia to start the route.

Nobody obliged them to go there.  

But it's a way I presume to get an Asylum status easier, for not all of them come from insecure countries.

in the end, vetting the reality of the situation of each individual is a challenge.. to say the least

http://www.msnbc.com/specials/migrant-crisis/libya

[CG1 Blue]

11 hours ago, simple1 said:

21 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Were they not picked up off the coast of Libya? If so why not drop them back to Libya? 

Would it not be safer for the migrants to travel across land and try to get to Egypt, Tunisia or Algeria? 

Please just try a minimal effort and you will have your answers and No, Libya is not a viable country to return asylum seekers due to the awful level of physical and sexual abuse as well as the ongoing civil war.

If this German lady wasn't assisting the people traffickers, then those fleeing Libya would perhaps head for Egypt, Tunisia or Algeria, and not drown in the process. 

[Ozman52]

7 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

I assume you're Australian with no tax exposure to the EU. In Australia more asylum seekers arrive by plane than have arrived by boat and are processed onshore based upon Rule of Law. Accordingly are you lobbying the Oz government to cancel it's international humanitarian agreements? BTW Oz offshore processing is approx $400k p.a. for each detainee, the most expensive 'solution' in the world. 

No I don't pay European taxes, but that doesn't stop me agreeing with those who do. I have already stated my views as to the treatment of plane arrivals, they should be held in detention and deported. countries that refuse to accept their citizens should be banned from entry. Yes I am making my thoughts on the matter known in Oz and elsewhere.

 

BTW offshore detention is expensive per capita. When you take into consideration the number of boat not arriving, it is quite cheap in money terms and an absolute bargain in social costs.

[RJRS1301]

25 minutes ago, Ozman52 said:

No I don't pay European taxes, but that doesn't stop me agreeing with those who do. I have already stated my views as to the treatment of plane arrivals, they should be held in detention and deported. countries that refuse to accept their citizens should be banned from entry. Yes I am making my thoughts on the matter known in Oz and elsewhere.

 

BTW offshore detention is expensive per capita. When you take into consideration the number of boat not arriving, it is quite cheap in money terms and an absolute bargain in social costs.

Border protection and enforcement $4 billion per year, absolute bargain, sure.

 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

If this German lady wasn't assisting the people traffickers, then those fleeing Libya would perhaps head for Egypt, Tunisia or Algeria, and not drown in the process. 

Yep, excellent options...

 

https://www.unhcr.org/528a0a2ab.pdf

 

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/news/press/2019/2/5c77e3154/unhcr-urges-critical-support-refugees-egypt.html

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/tunisia-asylum-seekers-face-tough-challenges-190621152316114.html

[Ozman52]

10 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Border protection and enforcement $4 billion per year, absolute bargain, sure.

 

You really have no idea, do you? ABF is  our customs and immigration service, also available for marine rescue. i don't know its annual cost, but much of it is wages and salaries paid to Oz citizens, who pay taxes, and use Oz made boats. The people employed to make those boats pay taxes, as do those who supply goods and services to ABF staff, so much of that money finds its way back to government coffers.

As well as stopping illegal immigrants, they also intercept much of the drugs heading our way. But who needs that?

[RJRS1301]

Just now, Ozman52 said:

You really have no idea, do you? ABF is  our customs and immigration service, also available for marine rescue. i don't know its annual cost, but much of it is wages and salaries paid to Oz citizens, who pay taxes, and use Oz made boats. The people employed to make those boats pay taxes, as do those who supply goods and services to ABF staff, so much of that money finds its way back to government coffers.

As well as stopping illegal immigrants, they also intercept much of the drugs heading our way. But who needs that?

Actually that is the PBO audit of Border Force for Border Control patrols and detention

Not customs and immigration.

I suggest you do some research, yes of course wages and the running cost "turnback boats" are included

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[Ozman52]

8 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Actually that is the PBO audit of Border Force for Border Control patrols and detention

Not customs and immigration.

I suggest you do some research, yes of course wages and the running cost "turnback boats" are included

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The normal practise is to provide a link justifying your quoted figures - it adds credibility. Where did you find a breakdown of ABF operations?

[ThomasThBKK]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/02/more-than-1m-raised-for-rescue-ship-captain-carola-rackete-italy

 

And she's free again, italian judge obviously ruled in her favor and didn't take any of the crap salvini made up.

[RJRS1301]

22 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/02/more-than-1m-raised-for-rescue-ship-captain-carola-rackete-italy

 

And she's free again, italian judge obviously ruled in her favor and didn't take any of the crap salvini made up.

At least one honest fearless judge who is probably unemployed now

[ThomasThBKK]

21 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

At least one honest fearless judge who is probably unemployed now

Prolly, after all italy is the thailand of europe ????

[Ozman52]

1 hour ago, ThomasThBKK said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/02/more-than-1m-raised-for-rescue-ship-captain-carola-rackete-italy

 

And she's free again, italian judge obviously ruled in her favor and didn't take any of the crap salvini made up.

Or she is on bail. There is nothing obvious about her release, yet.

[RJRS1301]

3 minutes ago, Ozman52 said:

Or she is on bail. There is nothing obvious about her release, yet.

But on Tuesday, judge Alessandra Vella ruled that Rackete had been carrying out her duty to protect life and had not committed any act of violence.

[arithai12]

15 minutes ago, Ozman52 said:

Or she is on bail. There is nothing obvious about her release, yet.

She is free, but there is an order to escort her to the border as persona non grata. The very minimum that Italy could do, and the maximum too considering the usual very effective propaganda in her favor to the tune of statements like "saving lives is not a crime" (when in fact is she did anything regarding lives it was to endanger those of the italian coast guard).

 

If someone thinks that because a judge ruled that she did not commit a crime it follows that she did not actually commit it, then dream on. In fact, it was the classic compromise, Germany will take a dozen of those migrants, and Italy gets rid of the hot potato. However, Salvini is a star more than ever in his country and the message sent for future similar attempts in very clear.