Aussies should read this

[Ozman52]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-29/cambodia-refugee-says-australian-settlement-deal-not-enough/11257974

 

I just love the 3rd picture!

Edited June 29, 2019 by Ozman52

[LomSak27]

Why did/does he not settle in Malaysia or Indonesia? Two muslim countries that he should find culturally easier to assimilate.

[RJRS1301]

13 minutes ago, LomSak27 said:

Why did/does he not settle in Malaysia or Indonesia? Two muslim countries that he should find culturally easier to assimilate.

Those countries were not on offer.

The Australian Government struck the deal with Cambodia, and sweetened the pot with a ludicrous amount of money to prop up an inhumane regime.

SHAME SHAME SHAME 

 

[mfd101]

Sob sob. Enough is never enough!

 

[RJRS1301]

The amount of money to get them out of detention but not allow them into Australia, despite being classified as refugees, could have purchase each family a house, paid private schools for 10 years for the kids involved, private health insurance and a BMW each and left money over.

 

ScoMo at his least fine negotiating deal 

[LomSak27]

Just now, RJRS1301 said:

Those countries were not on offer.

The Australian Government struck the deal with Cambodia, and sweetened the pot with a ludicrous amount of money to prop up an inhumane regime.

SHAME SHAME SHAME 

No he went through them when he went to OZ in the first place so They were on offer. 

[RJRS1301]

3 minutes ago, LomSak27 said:

No he went through them when he went to OZ in the first place so They were on offer. 

Sorry the deal was with Cambodia only. No other country, was on offer to the families involved.

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2017/05/cambodia-syrian-refugee-secretly-arrives-australian-detention-nauru/

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2016/04/australia-cambodia-refugee-deal-was-a-multimillion-dollar-fail/#93Gq1oHDlhvObEr2.99

 

He was released from detention on Nauru, this was after his attempt to get to Australia which was his preferred place of safety. 

 

Edited June 29, 2019 by RJRS1301

[Damrongsak]

"The Zalghanis now live in a flat above the restaurant they used to own."

 

The idiot spent the money on a Syrian restaurant in Cambodia?  My older son who was killed in Iraq used to refer to some of these types of people as being "proud and stupid".

 

I note in the photo that the 2 adults and 2 children are all glued to to their smart phones.  Lucky people.  I'm 65 years old and I just got an iPhone 6+ last month, only because a (Thai) relative gave it to me for free. 

 

Maybe he and the kids can get on-line and take some Thai lessons.  First up - Som Nom Naa.  These economic refugees bug the hell out of me. I made a helluva lot less money as a U.S. Peace Corps volunteer in Thailand 40 years ago. Maybe $10,000 total compensation for 2 years work.

[JamJar]

6 minutes ago, Damrongsak said:

"The Zalghanis now live in a flat above the restaurant they used to own."

 

The idiot spent the money on a Syrian restaurant in Cambodia?  My older son who was killed in Iraq used to refer to some of these types of people as being "proud and stupid".

 

I note in the photo that the 2 adults and 2 children are all glued to to their smart phones.  Lucky people.  I'm 65 years old and I just got an iPhone 6+ last month, only because a (Thai) relative gave it to me for free. 

 

Maybe he and the kids can get on-line and take some Thai lessons.  First up - Som Nom Naa.  These economic refugees bug the hell out of me. I made a helluva lot less money as a U.S. Peace Corps volunteer in Thailand 40 years ago. Maybe $10,000 total compensation for 2 years work.

 

Doesn't it bug you more that a government spent AU$55,000,000 keeping eight people out of Australia?

What have you against economic refugees? No different from your ancestors, taking a chance for new opportunities.

 

[mfd101]

9 minutes ago, JamJar said:

What have you against economic refugees?

Nothing at all against them. Sensible people, like all those Tamil 'refugees' who - in fear of their lives and with nothing but a plastic bag over their shoulder - instead of making the 40km trip across the straits to Tamil Nadu where their ancestors came from, paid for a death-dealing multi-thousand km trip to Oz to better their lives.

 

Great. So join the queue, Fellas. There's only about a million others ahead of you, waiting in orderly line for their turn.

Edited June 29, 2019 by mfd101

[JamJar]

17 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Nothing at all against them. Sensible people, like all those Tamil 'refugees' who - in fear of their lives and with nothing but a plastic bag over their shoulder - instead of making the 40km trip across the straits to Tamil Nadu where their ancestors came from, paid for a death-dealing multi-thousand km trip to Oz to better their lives.

 

Great. So join the queue, Fellas. There's only about a million others ahead of you, waiting in orderly line for their turn.

 

So did the Europeans that went to Australia go to from where their ancestors came? Ditto those who travelled to the Americas. I have no idea of the point you are trying to make.

People go to where they think they can have the best chance of a good life for them and theirs. Wouldn't you?

Why the us and them mentality?

Edited June 29, 2019 by JamJar

[mfd101]

Two points:

(1) Economic refugees are not 'refugees', whether under UN definitions or according to common sense, so they have to meet Oz rules for immigration - which cover skill sets, work needs & potential, family reunion etc ... If they pass the qualification hoops, they get to join the queue;

(2) The social-political deal within Oz is the same as it would be in Usofa or Europe if they also enjoyed Australia's geographic advantage (distance + surrounded by water) - We the People will accept very high levels of immigration, including also refugees, providing You the Government keep control over our borders. Lose control (as the previous Labor government did a few years ago) and all deals are off.

[JamJar]

2 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Two points:

(1) Economic refugees are not 'refugees', whether under UN definitions or according to common sense, so they have to meet Oz rules for immigration - which cover skill sets, work needs & potential, family reunion etc ... If they pass the qualification hoops, they get to join the queue;

(2) The social-political deal within Oz is the same as it would be in Usofa or Europe if they also enjoyed Australia's geographic advantage (distance + surrounded by water) - We the People will accept very high levels of immigration, including also refugees, providing You the Government keep control over our borders. Lose control (as the previous Labor government did a few years ago) and all deals are off.

 

So are you happy that they spent AU$55,000,000 for eight people? Do correct me if the figures are wrong. just gleaned that from the article.

 

All deals are off...what does that actually mean?

[giddyup]

48 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

Doesn't it bug you more that a government spent AU$55,000,000 keeping eight people out of Australia?

What have you against economic refugees? No different from your ancestors, taking a chance for new opportunities.

 

It's called "preventative medicine".

[giddyup]

23 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

So did the Europeans that went to Australia go to from where their ancestors came? Ditto those who travelled to the Americas. I have no idea of the point you are trying to make.

People go to where they think they can have the best chance of a good life for them and theirs. Wouldn't you?

Why the us and them mentality?

What are you suggesting, opening the floodgates to one and all? Can see the quality of life that Australians have fought long and hard for going down the gurgler very quickly.

[mfd101]

(1) The $55m (or whatever the real figure): The cost of allowing people in willy nilly is that more keep coming and more & more. And then they get to drown in large numbers in the Indian Ocean. Some 2000 drowned as a result of Labor's stupidity a few years ago, despite the best efforts and high risks taken by RAN personnel. When the government was voted out and the Coalition came to power (largely as a result of the borders issue), the boats stopped coming and 'refugees' (genuine or not) stopped drowning. During the recent election campaign, which Labor was expected to win, the boats started arriving again. Fortunately, Labor lost ...

(2) Both Usofa - a country of immigration just like Oz, but with more difficult borders - and modern Europe (with basically no enforceable borders at all) show what happens when you lose control of your borders. The People say: No more! stop! And the fascist Right starts competing irrationally with the irrational fascist Left.

[mfd101]

The lesson in all of this is: Mindless do-goodery is, quite apart from the hypocrisy involved, worse than useless.

[Old Croc]

Reading the background articles associated with this one, it appears that, once reunited with his family, they were quite happy in Cambodia.

That is until his themed restaurant went broke and had to be sold off for a loss.

Now he wants more money from the Australian government and is looking at loopholes in his signed agreement, a copy of which is in one of the articles.

[Old Croc]

5 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

(1) The $55m (or whatever the real figure): The cost of allowing people in willy nilly is that more keep coming and more & more. And then they get to drown in large numbers in the Indian Ocean. Some 2000 drowned as a result of Labor's stupidity a few years ago, despite the best efforts and high risks taken by RAN personnel. When the government was voted out and the Coalition came to power (largely as a result of the borders issue), the boats stopped coming and 'refugees' (genuine or not) stopped drowning. During the recent election campaign, which Labor was expected to win, the boats started arriving again. Fortunately, Labor lost ...

(2) Both Usofa - a country of immigration just like Oz, but with more difficult borders - and modern Europe (with basically no enforceable borders at all) show what happens when you lose control of your borders. The People say: No more! stop! And the fascist Right starts competing irrationally with the irrational fascist Left.

Repeating the conservative governments political mantra as fact is a little disingenuous.  The boats never stopped, just the reporting of them was censored. At least Labor was honest in it's reporting to the people.

There have been at least 30 boats attempting to come to Australia since the current government came to power in 2013.

Check out Table 2 in this parliamentary report (It is probably not a complete list)

 https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/5351070.pdf

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, mfd101 said:

Nothing at all against them. Sensible people, like all those Tamil 'refugees' who - in fear of their lives and with nothing but a plastic bag over their shoulder - instead of making the 40km trip across the straits to Tamil Nadu where their ancestors came from, paid for a death-dealing multi-thousand km trip to Oz to better their lives.

 

Great. So join the queue, Fellas. There's only about a million others ahead of you, waiting in orderly line for their turn.

Please show where this queue is, when one is fleeing for your life, often with no papers.

Have you seen the "queue" for even a tent in some refugee camps? 

UNHCR cannot even begin to process until after hostilities cease, and currently about 60 million across the world seeking refuge, long queue to even try to join.

 

[mfd101]

32 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Repeating the conservative governments political mantra as fact is a little disingenuous.  The boats never stopped, just the reporting of them was censored. At least Labor was honest in it's reporting to the people.

There have been at least 30 boats attempting to come to Australia since the current government came to power in 2013.

Check out Table 2 in this parliamentary report (It is probably not a complete list)

 https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/5351070.pdf

I think you'll find that the relevant table in your reference is the very first one, entitled 'Boat arrivals & boat 'turnbacks' in Australia since 1976', from the same impeccable Parliamentary Library source. It tells beautifully the story I have rather sketchily narrated above.

[RJRS1301]

45 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Reading the background articles associated with this one, it appears that, once reunited with his family, they were quite happy in Cambodia.

That is until his themed restaurant went broke and had to be sold off for a loss.

Now he wants more money from the Australian government and is looking at loopholes in his signed agreement, a copy of which is in one of the articles.

When offered Cambodia with family, or indefinite detention without family on Nauru, what would have been your choice?

I am not sure "happy" would be term used at anytime, except happy to be out of indefinite detention

[ubonjoe]

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