Trump administration 'uniquely dysfunctional', says UK ambassador to U.S.: newspaper

[katana]

Probably leaked from within the FO who are majority pro EU, trying to undermine UK-US relations and make Brexit and a US trade deal harder.

[Sujo]

4 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

LOL...look who's talking...I haven't seen a more dysfunctional, clumsy and inept government than the UK. They clinch top honours in that regard. 

Which has absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

he was commenting on US.

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You are right, as usual, that Darroch was doing his job and reporting how he sees things.

 

The question for the UK is who leaked this and why? That indicates the possibility of a security breach of what was thought to be secure lines of communication.

The real question is why the ambassador thought the whitehouse was in a state of dysfunction.

[usviphotography]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

The real question is why the ambassador thought the whitehouse was in a state of dysfunction.

That is not much of a question at all. Trump's White House is full of Establishment Politicians who want war with Iran and are opposed to peace in Korea while Trump personally does not want any new wars, much less in the Middle East, and is highly invested in peace on the Korean Peninsula. This creates an internal conflict that you don't need to the British Ambassador to notice. 

 

So the more interesting question is who leaked it and why? The person hoping to be the next Ambassador is obviously a prime suspect but perhaps it was leaked for some ideological purpose. There was a big report in one of America's most respected establishment policy magazines just this week raising the alarm that Bolton is about to be sacked and replaced with a prominent retired Colonel known for opposing Bolton's policies with regard to Iran and supportive of a peace deal with North Korea. Could this be some kind of coordinated operation to rally support for the Neoconservative status quo? 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/trump-tries-to-fix-his-foreign-policy-without-bolton/593284/

Edited July 8, 2019 by usviphotography

[candide]

4 hours ago, usviphotography said:

That is not much of a question at all. Trump's White House is full of Establishment Politicians who want war with Iran and are opposed to peace in Korea while Trump personally does not want any new wars, much less in the Middle East, and is highly invested in peace on the Korean Peninsula. This creates an internal conflict that you don't need to the British Ambassador to notice. 

Bolton, Pompeo, etc... have all been chosen by Trump, not imposed to him. In addition, they have always clearly expressed their pro-war stance.

More generally, about your interpretation, I don't think that's what the ambassador wanted to express. I think he was more targetting Trump himself as the main cause for this situation.

[gamb00ler]

11 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

I find the ambassador's comments rather strange given that the US is doing rather well under Trump, certainly as well as and perhaps better than under Bush and Obama.

The 09/11 terrorists took flying lessons and learned how to steer the plane fairly well.  Reminds me of POTUS in that he knows how to pull levers here and there, but nevertheless the ending will still be a fireball.

[usviphotography]

11 minutes ago, candide said:

Bolton, Pompeo, etc... have all been chosen by Trump, not imposed to him. In addition, they have always clearly expressed their pro-war stance.

That is all well and good, but the fact remains their world view and policy prescriptions are utterly at odds with the President and that creates a great deal of internal tension. There have been reports of Trump cursing Bolton out over Venezuela, and during the latest North Korea meeting Bolton was literally shipped off to Mongolia. Early in the Trump Administration his Neocon UN Ambassador Nikki Haley was constantly saying stuff the White House would subsequently contradict. You don't need to be the UK Ambassador to observe there are warring factions at play. Yes, it is Trump's fault for not purging the entire government of Neocon influence, but on the other hand, had he been that aggressive from the start he might have been assassinated within a month of taking office so who is to really say whether he played it properly or not. 

[Srikcir]

15 hours ago, MasterBaker said:

and yet UK prime minister is the one to resign

May is not resigning; she is being booted out for her party failing the election to remain in power.

[Srikcir]

16 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

I find the ambassador's comments rather strange given that the US is doing rather well under Trump, certainly as well as and perhaps better than under Bush and Obama.

Foreign ambassadors care more about international relations, especially with the nation they represent, than another nation's internal affairs - with the exception of the Russians whose honorary ambassador to the U.S. is POTUS Trump.

[expatfromwyoming]

And the Trump pettiness continues. ‘We Will No Longer Deal With’ The British Ambassador; Disinvites Him From Dinner With Qatar’s Emir". Trump, the is truly is a national embarrassment 

https://usbreakingnews.net/2019/07/09/trump-says-we-will-no-longer-deal-with-the-british-ambassador-disinvites-him-from-dinner-with-qatars-emir/

Edited July 9, 2019 by Scott

[expatfromwyoming]

4 hours ago, usviphotography said:

That is all well and good, but the fact remains their world view and policy prescriptions are utterly at odds with the President and that creates a great deal of internal tension. There have been reports of Trump cursing Bolton out over Venezuela, and during the latest North Korea meeting Bolton was literally shipped off to Mongolia. Early in the Trump Administration his Neocon UN Ambassador Nikki Haley was constantly saying stuff the White House would subsequently contradict. You don't need to be the UK Ambassador to observe there are warring factions at play. Yes, it is Trump's fault for not purging the entire government of Neocon influence, but on the other hand, had he been that aggressive from the start he might have been assassinated within a month of taking office so who is to really say whether he played it properly or not. 

Errrrr- TRUMP IS A NEOCON!!!! all bully boys who lack comprehensive speech and thought processes are. 

[Srikcir]

22 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Darroch needs firing immediately.

He's scheduled to retire this winter so I doubt he'll be terminated now for doing is job despite a hostile Trump regime.

22 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Let him get a real job in the private sector

Just a reminder that the U.S. Ambassador to the U.K. is currently held by New York Jets owner Woody Johnson. If you call an NFL owner an icon of international affairs expertise, then Trump loses. He tried and failed to purchase an NFL team. 

[usviphotography]

17 minutes ago, expatfromwyoming said:

And the Trump pettiness continues. ‘We Will No Longer Deal With’ The British Ambassador; Disinvites Him From Dinner With Qatar’s Emir". Trump, the is truly is a national embarrassment 

https://usbreakingnews.net/2019/07/09/trump-says-we-will-no-longer-deal-with-the-british-ambassador-disinvites-him-from-dinner-with-qatars-emir/

Not pettiness. He obviously can't continue on as Ambassador after this. Especially with a pro-Trump PM about to take office. That is just common sense. 

Edited July 9, 2019 by usviphotography

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, expatfromwyoming said:

And the Trump pettiness continues. ‘We Will No Longer Deal With’ The British Ambassador; Disinvites Him From Dinner With Qatar’s Emir". Trump, the is truly is a national embarrassment 

https://usbreakingnews.net/2019/07/09/trump-says-we-will-no-longer-deal-with-the-british-ambassador-disinvites-him-from-dinner-with-qatars-emir/

It is not at all a "petty' attitude IMO.

 

Would you have anything to do with someone who has made these types of comments against yourself?  Of course not!

 

The ambassador needs to be quickly sacked - for being stupid enough to put his opinions in 'writing'.  Then this latest 'leak' needs to be found and sacked.

 

Perhaps the uk govt. should also pursue a case against the Times for leaking this unwanted information ????????.

Edited July 9, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[Basil B]

I wonder what Trump's man in London has to say about:

• The current Government
• The potential new PM (Boris or Hunt)
• The official opposition (Labour)
• The posible front runners in the event of a GE (Brexit Party)

The words "dysfunctional", "clumsy" and "inept" come to mind in describing all of the above. 

[Basil B]

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

It is not at all a "petty' attitude IMO.

 

Would you have anything to do with someone who has made these types of comments against yourself?  Of course not!

 

The ambassador needs to be quickly sacked - for being stupid enough to put his opinions in 'writing'.  Then this latest 'leak' needs to be found and sacked.

 

Perhaps the uk govt. should also pursue a case against the Times for leaking this unwanted information ????????.

The Times did not leak it, it was leaked to the times...

They printed it, I am surprised they did as Murdoch was a big supporter of Trump, maybe Murdoch can see the writing on the wall and now wants to curry favour with the Democrats? 

What the Ambassador said was in his opinion true and frank (and not exactly different to what most of the world already thinks) , it was confidential and whoever leaked it wants sacking and prosecuting.

 

Unfortunately it has possibly made his position untenable, hope he can ride it out for the next 18 months, I am sure he will get on well with whoever is the next POTUS.

  

[bendejo]

3 hours ago, expatfromwyoming said:

Errrrr- TRUMP IS A NEOCON!!!! all bully boys who lack comprehensive speech and thought processes are. 

I would doubt that DT even knows what a neocon is.  You have to read high-minded things like The Economist to come across that word.  The US media, and conservatives & Republicans, avoid the word like people in Harry Potter-land won't say Valdemoort.  I recall O'reilly self-heroically declaring he was not afraid to say it.

Bill Kristol, the current Pope of the Neocons, loathes DT.

Bolton is the doctrinaire neocon, I don't know about Pompeo, maybe he just gets backhanders from munitions sales.

But doesn't Bolton have the worst Witness Protection Program disguise you ever did see? 

 

I recall another UK official describing W as "intellectually incurious."  Hit it right on the head he did!

 

 

[Morch]

On 7/8/2019 at 3:58 PM, Benmart said:

I care not what an Ambassador says, afterall what are his qualifications at running the United States of America, or judging the ability of the entire governmental machine of the USA? He is an English pip-squeek, temporarily latched onto the tit of his government, soon to be jobless and relegated to obscurity. 

 

You're welcome to list Trump's qualifications for running the United States of America. While at it, maybe check if the British Ambassador's career may apply. Other than that there are no such clear "qualifications", the nonsense claim doesn't have much to do with the exposed take on Trump's administration. Killing the messenger won't fix Trump's Presidency.

[JHolmesJr]

Newsflash! All countries talk shit about other countries when they think no one's

listening. Some years back Wikileaks dropped a whole bunch of memos where there 

was all sorts of name calling going on. 

[Morch]

10 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

It is not at all a "petty' attitude IMO.

 

Would you have anything to do with someone who has made these types of comments against yourself?  Of course not!

 

The ambassador needs to be quickly sacked - for being stupid enough to put his opinions in 'writing'.  Then this latest 'leak' needs to be found and sacked.

 

Perhaps the uk govt. should also pursue a case against the Times for leaking this unwanted information ????????.

 

Most leader and politicians are able to put their personal feelings and emotional issues aside, in order to deal with affairs of state. Reacting in the manner Trump did is more often reserved for instances involving either national security or core national symbols. Political criticism is legitimate. At least when it comes to Western democracies.

 

As for opining about the Ambassador being "stupid enough" to put his opinions in writing - doing so is pretty much part and parcel of the job. If he wasn't the one who leaked it (unlikely) then not his fault.

 

I believe that there will be (if there isn't already) an investigation into the matter. Less sure with regard to the findings being made public.

[Morch]

8 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Newsflash! All countries talk shit about other countries when they think no one's

listening. Some years back Wikileaks dropped a whole bunch of memos where there 

was all sorts of name calling going on. 

 

And did US Presidents mentioned (or Western counterparts) throw a hissy fit in response?

[bristolboy]

19 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Newsflash! All countries talk shit about other countries when they think no one's

listening. Some years back Wikileaks dropped a whole bunch of memos where there 

was all sorts of name calling going on. 

Apparently, Trump doesn't know this.

[nong38]

23 hours ago, stevenl said:

He is not supposed to be diplomatic in internal communications.

You always have to be diplomatic and assume others are watching and listening, ever heard of GCHQ/Bude and echelon?

[bristolboy]

14 minutes ago, nong38 said:

You always have to be diplomatic and assume others are watching and listening, ever heard of GCHQ/Bude and echelon?

Because the last thing a government wants is open and frank intelligence from its diplomatic corps? That applies to the way the are expected to deal with their foreign counterparts. But behaving that way with their own government would go far to making them useless.

[Becker]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

Newsflash! All countries talk shit about other countries when they think no one's

listening. Some years back Wikileaks dropped a whole bunch of memos where there 

was all sorts of name calling going on. 

And were they all as glaringly and obviously true as the UK ambassador's assessment of Trump and his merry band of "drain-the-swamp" swamp dwellers? 

[JHolmesJr]

3 hours ago, Becker said:

And were they all as glaringly and obviously true as the UK ambassador's assessment of Trump and his merry band of "drain-the-swamp" swamp dwellers? 

 

Well, the trump administration has been obstructed and harassed from day one from democrats with the support of the hatchet people in the media. People who care more about revenge for the bitchslapping he gave them at the polls.

In light of that, a little chaos is to be expected.

 

With a little luck, the results of 2020 will shut these people up.

[Small Joke]

3 hours ago, nong38 said:

You always have to be diplomatic and assume others are watching and listening, ever heard of GCHQ/Bude and echelon?

It's his job to be frank. All ambassadors are always blunt and tell it as it is. Wikileaks revealed exactly what the US Ambassador thought of Thailand a few years back, it was no filter, and then some.

Google it for a laugh.

Use a VPN if you're in LOS though!

Edited July 9, 2019 by Small Joke

[Redline]

Surprisingly mild language he used for this disaster of an individual 

[nontabury]

As a Brit, I wonder how many of you Americans are aware that Durrach is a Europhile, who along with many in the British establishment, would 

Like the U.K to remain a colony of the E.u. against the expressed Democratic decision of the British people. And he is well aware that President Trump beleives that the U.k would be better off, out of this so called union, and has publicly stated he will support the British people’s decision, by offering the U.K. a fair trade pact. So could this be the reason,why he sent these memos to the outgoing government of remainer Tereasa May.

 

 

[Becker]

16 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Well, the trump administration has been obstructed and harassed from day one from democrats with the support of the hatchet people in the media. People who care more about revenge for the bitchslapping he gave them at the polls.

In light of that, a little chaos is to be expected.

 

With a little luck, the results of 2020 will shut these people up.

Wow, you sure have perfected lame deflections.