Redline Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I don’t believe anyone disagrees with criminal elements being removed promptly, but try to minimize trauma to families Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Redline said: I don’t believe anyone disagrees with criminal elements being removed promptly, but try to minimize trauma to families The inclusion of the word "families" in this article and headline, is nonsense drama peddling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Ozman52 said: Do I detect wishful thinking? If illegal immigrants believe the BS that they have been fed, that they have a "human right" not to be deported and start shooting ( and how unusual would that be in the gun-crazed US), I'm sure there are plenty who would use the resulting deaths as a political weapon. In most countries, if you start shooting at law enforcement officers carrying out their duties, the right and wrong is very clear. Demonizing of ICE is done for a purpose. No wishful thinking at all. I actually was thinking how many times"resisting arrest" could be an excuse to for fire play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expatfromwyoming Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: It’s all a headline grabbing distraction for Trump’s racist base. Classic Trump tactics, create a news storm to distract from the real criminality within his administration and his own family. But as riclag rightly pointed out. ’Live by the illegal, flounder by the illegal’. Trump needs to focus on prison reform. Trump is likely planning a rally shortly there after so getting the meatheads all juiced up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Ozman52 said: Deportation is, and should be, the ultimate result of illegal immigration, no matter how much BS you manage to fit between the two. Right, the speculative BS was coming from me? Let me remind you of what you wrote: "If illegal immigrants believe the BS that they have been fed, that they have a "human right" not to be deported and start shooting ( and how unusual would that be in the gun-crazed US),..." "In most countries, if you start shooting at law enforcement officers carrying out their duties, the right and wrong is very clear. Demonizing of ICE is done for a purpose." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Trump deporting immigrants at slower pace than Obama: report Despite a larger number of deportations in fiscal 2018 than 2017, the Trump administration’s deportation levels still fall below those under the early years of the Obama administration, according to an Axios report. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/449665-trump-deporting-immigrants-at-slower-pace-than-obama-report https://www.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obama-a72a0a44-540d-46bc-a671-cd65cf72f4b1.html Biden under fire for mass deportations under Obama But when it comes to Latinos and immigration, Biden is learning that the Obama defense doesn’t do the trick: The former Democratic administration’s mass deportations of 3 million people provoked fear and fury in the community at the time, and the bad taste has lingered even with Donald Trump in the White House. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/12/biden-immigration-2020-1411691 No clue why trump pre-announced these efforts? Seems like that puts law enforcement in a more hazardous position? And he could have bragged about the results after the round -ups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozman52 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 42 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Right, the speculative BS was coming from me? Let me remind you of what you wrote: "If illegal immigrants believe the BS that they have been fed, that they have a "human right" not to be deported and start shooting ( and how unusual would that be in the gun-crazed US),..." "In most countries, if you start shooting at law enforcement officers carrying out their duties, the right and wrong is very clear. Demonizing of ICE is done for a purpose." The BS I was referring to was fake asylum claims, delay, court hearing, delay, appeal, delay, appeal, delay, constant claims of human right abuses, issue of deportation notice, location and apprehension, and whatever else fits between arrival and departure. But spin away if that floats your boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 It’s just Donald throwing meat to his base terrorizing family’s kids distracting and deviding it’s what he does he certainly doesent know how to govern or lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, Ozman52 said: The BS I was referring to was fake asylum claims, delay, court hearing, delay, appeal, delay, appeal, delay, constant claims of human right abuses, issue of deportation notice, location and apprehension, and whatever else fits between arrival and departure. But spin away if that floats your boat. That's may be the "BS: you're referring to in your text, but it's the BS you added on that's in question "that they have a "human right" not to be deported and start shooting ( and how unusual would that be in the gun-crazed US),..." And then you carry on with the BS you've created about shooting with this: "In most countries, if you start shooting at law enforcement officers carrying out their duties, the right and wrong is very clear. Demonizing of ICE is done for a purpose." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 hours ago, riclag said: Racism has nothing to do with it,Fair people talk about the rule of law,thats were the illegal comes in, the liberals don't talk about that, they use the race card! Remember when this was all a MFG crisis ,while the dems wouldn't give a inch on budgeting money to take care of these facilities. They reversed it and put the blame on PT. Hypocritical! It will blow up in their face.The swing voter will right this ship! I didn’t say racist policy, I said racist base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puchaiyank Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I'll need to put on my knee high boots to wade through this BS... Same bleeding hearts show up to demonize the Trump administration with character assasination rhetoric... Truth is he has pulled off a miracle in the economy with little support from either Republicans or Democrats... He WILL be your President for another six years...get use to it! ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expatfromwyoming Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Perhaps this is a clue. However I am content in the fact that he has set himself up for a harder election than people realize. Wisconsin, PA, and Michigan don’t look good. Without those states and the electoral votes that come with them, Trump loses 2020 and America wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expatfromwyoming Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said: I'll need to put on my knee high boots to wade through this BS... Same bleeding hearts show up to demonize the Trump administration with character assasination rhetoric... Truth is he has pulled off a miracle in the economy with little support from either Republicans or Democrats... He WILL be your President for another six years...get use to it! ???? But you don't put them on when Trump bloviates his BS- then you need an immersion suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Puchaiyank said: Truth is he has pulled off a miracle in the economy with little support from either Republicans or Democrats... What is it that he actually did with very little support from Republicans or Democrats? I'm intrigued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: Any predictions as to "inadvertent" death toll? Well I suppose that if the dressing up box for ICE's wannabe stormtroopers includes fire arms, then quite high! Since any sort of governmental action in the US seems to require those involved to be heavily armed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: Any predictions as to "inadvertent" death toll? In explanation of this post I perhaps need to say it is in light of the attitude of those involved in the exercise and those who condone it without reserve. The US has a very well documented capacity within the "enforcement" e.stablishment of committing acts of unprovoked lethal action. In this instance I suspect there will be ample opportunity for lethal abuse. That is not in denial of actions committed by those who wrongfully defy the debatable issue of legitimate selection of policy. If the world is presented with a genuine head count of those snared in this public "crackdown" will it be a global nationality or a pre-selected biased sample in support of current policy intent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, JAG said: Well I suppose that if the dressing up box for ICE's wannabe stormtroopers includes fire arms, then quite high! Since any sort of governmental action in the US seems to require those involved to be heavily armed... Sad but true. There is always a human life cost involved in the infliction of a "regime". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 When you buy stolen good there are two criminals, the one who stole the goods and the one who bought it ,and both are equally liable under the law. The same is true with illegal aliens. They are here illegally working but those who purchase the fruits of their illegal employment are equally liable IMO. So yes penalise the illegal aliens but what about all of as who benefited from the illegal activity?? I say go after the employers of illegal immigrants, make it unprofitable to hire illegal aliens. If there was no work, they would not come, and the ones that are here would leave on their own. No need to pay for busses no need for detention centers. Then institute a guest worker program with no pathway to citizenship. A worker from another country comes here under contract and when the contract is over goes back to his/hers country or renews the contract. All the rest is political football nonsense played by both the Republicans and Democrats with poor illegal immigrants as the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puchaiyank Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 6 hours ago, bristolboy said: What is it that he actually did with very little support from Republicans or Democrats? I'm intrigued. You want find any reference to his accomplishments watching MSNBC news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Puchaiyank said: You want find any reference to his accomplishments watching MSNBC news... So what did he do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 A troll post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealbash Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 It’s just Donald throwing meat to his base terrorizing family’s kids distracting and deviding it’s what he does he certainly doesent know how to govern or leadYou mean he is trying to uphold existing laws?Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 A post in violation of fair use policy has been removed: 14) You will not post any copyrighted material except as fair use laws apply (as in the case of news articles). Please only post a link, the headline and the first three sentences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Could this be Trump's new property development (Raymondville, Texas) ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 So to be clear, I am in no way a Trump supporter, but in this case he's right. Now let's be clear what is actually happening, since some 'informed' posters don't seem to have a clue. This is NOT some random raid on a meat packing plant to round up illegal immigrant workers What this IS, targeting at those who have gone through the legal review process, and ultimately been denied through the immigration courts and issued with a deportation notice, but haven't left. I have a hard time getting my head around why that is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expatfromwyoming Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Sign of things to come- Emperor Trump said he has presidential power ‘that nobody has ever seen before’. Must have someone a tad more literate than he ghost writing the Trump Manifesto. This is a man, after all, who dismisses the information and analyses of his massive governance system in favor of what was said this morning on “Fox and Friends,” where everyone tells him how much they love him. With all due skepticism about the quality of governance, this is sheer madness considering the stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expatfromwyoming Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said: So to be clear, I am in no way a Trump supporter, but in this case he's right. Now let's be clear what is actually happening, since some 'informed' posters don't seem to have a clue. This is NOT some random raid on a meat packing plant to round up illegal immigrant workers What this IS, targeting at those who have gone through the legal review process, and ultimately been denied through the immigration courts and issued with a deportation notice, but haven't left. I have a hard time getting my head around why that is wrong Why do you wear the Trump hat backwards!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 5:02 PM, TopDeadSenter said: Amazingly well considering! https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/27/politics/private-border-wall-gofundme/index.html Is this private group funded by Trump? Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, expatfromwyoming said: Yep it really is as simple as that- except his core constituency- the rich elites would lose their slaves- including Trump I have no love lost for trump and the "Republicans" , I put republicans in quotes because they are RINOs . Republican In Name Only. They have abandoned their republican Ideals and are now simply Anti Democrats. The same applies to the Democrats. They are both only interested in attaining and maintaining power in the service of property.. The Democrats also had eight years in the White house but did very litle . They view illegal and otherwise Immigrants as their farm. They are Farming the community for votes to also maintain power. And the Republicans are trying to deny them that advantage, Republicans are aware of the demographics,a problem they are also are trying to rectify by Gerrymandering and playing the electoral college game. IMO the is only one party. The property party which has two wings the republican wing and the democrat wing (notice I did not capitalise dems and reps ) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Slip said: Is this private group funded by Trump? Laughable. private groups building on property that does not belong to them?? How is that legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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