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I think some have or get the wrong idea, it's not about smiling and grinning like a Cheshire cat at everything, it's about positive action and attitude that you can and will achieve something, not letting things disuade you or deviate you..There is always a way etc, well, that's my interpretation anyway.

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1 hour ago, Gecko123 said:

I think PMA is a very un-Buddhist and un-Thai like concept.

 

Buddhism teaches people to see the world with an unblinking eye as it is, without filters, rose colored or otherwise. Thais are way too pragmatic and down to earth to go for such a cerebral concept. I've met Thais who I believe consciously projected an affable demeanor because it paid social dividends, but I've never felt a Thai was practicing PMA in the hopes of receiving karmic or psychological benefits. I think running around with a 'happy, happy, happy' demeanor in Thailand puts you at risk for being perceived as an unaware and naive person who can be more easily taken advantage of.

 

I have always viewed the concept with skepticism, an exercise in self-deception and outward pretense which undermines the otherwise healing and rejuvenative processes of self-reflection and introspection.

 

Well,here's a poster with a bit of intelligence...

 

Voltaire was the first author to really call 'em out on this with his "the best of all possible worlds" malarkey in 'Candide'

 

Tho' Rabelais had cocked a snoot in 'Gargantua and Pantagruel'

 

Most "self help" is pavlova for the masses.

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1 hour ago, Gecko123 said:

I think PMA is a very un-Buddhist and un-Thai like concept.

 

Buddhism teaches people to see the world with an unblinking eye as it is, without filters, rose colored or otherwise. Thais are way too pragmatic and down to earth to go for such a cerebral concept. I've met Thais who I believe consciously projected an affable demeanor because it paid social dividends, but I've never felt a Thai was practicing PMA in the hopes of receiving karmic or psychological benefits. I think running around with a 'happy, happy, happy' demeanor in Thailand puts you at risk for being perceived as an unaware and naive person who can be more easily taken advantage of.

 

I have always viewed the concept with skepticism, an exercise in self-deception and outward pretense which undermines the otherwise healing and rejuvenative processes of self-reflection and introspection.

 

Seeing the good in everything is very Buddhist ....

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26 minutes ago, Pharoticus said:

Yep, way better to be honest and realistic. 

 

Any man who's been through divorce [or bereavement, redundancy or home repossession] will understand this. The healing process takes time and, as you say, requires introspection. Walking around feeling "happy clappy" and hugging everyone in sight is plain dumb.  

 

But a positive attitude towards career goals is usually a good thing [as long as the goals are realistic and achievable].

What about a positive attitude to life in general, regardless of age? I don't see this as something that's exclusively for the young.

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 With every idea, argument or discussion there are always those who will agree and those who will disagree. Some will assert their opinion is a sign of greater intellect.  I support the right of individuals to believe what they want to believe and live their own lives accordingly but not for them to try and marginalize my views or silence them.

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Just now, jak2002003 said:

Correct.  Have a well balanced mental state.

 

You are a fool and mad if you go about 'seeing the good' in EVERYTHING.  That is not possible.  There is a lot of BAD in some things, and to ignore that is delusional and not helpful to your mental health.

 

However, seeing the bad in everything and being overly negative is even worse.  Look at how many people have such good lives, family, homes and no money worries, yet they mess themselves up on a self destruct and are negative about other people and their lives... becoming self centred and very unhappy people.

 

There is no magic way to get a happy easy life.  A lot of what happens to us is just down to luck and chance.  But, yes, you are going to enjoy your life more if you tend to think more rationally and positively about things in the long run.  

 

Balance.... not overly negative or overly positive..... 

 

 

I beg to differ, seeing the good in everything is perfectly possible, and yes, I do ignore negative things that I cannot change. I think you, like quite a lot of others are not even prepared to approach the topic with an open mind, and therefore, shooting it down without further thought.

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1 minute ago, geronimo said:

I beg to differ, seeing the good in everything is perfectly possible, and yes, I do ignore negative things that I cannot change. I think you, like quite a lot of others are not even prepared to approach the topic with an open mind, and therefore, shooting it down without further thought.

I don't wish to be patronising, but how old are you... because maybe you have not had a lot of life experience so far or a very sheltered life?

 

I am approaching this topic with an open mind... are you, because your mind seems closed to listen to any opinion that differs from yours.  I also said I did believe positive thinking is a benefit to a happy life, and negative thinking is a disadvantage... but I just did not believe that you can not see any bad in anything in life and ignore suffering.

 

For example, how can you 'see the good' in having a terrible painful and long lasting terminal disease?  How can you see the good in getting attacked, raped, abused?  What about if you have a baby or child and they get abducted, tortured and killed... you will see the good in that?  If your best friend or partner commits suicide, or your pet cat gets set on fire by teenagers.... you can see good in it?

 

As bad as it can be we actually need some negative experiences and bad things to happen to us in order for us to learn and develop our personal growth.

 

I find it sickening and immoral that you admit you ignore negative things in life... so people suffering and you would be thinking it was a good thing and be happy yourself and ignore them?  Or maybe because its not happening to you and your life is so nice you don't care about them?  

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, jak2002003 said:

I don't wish to be patronising, but how old are you... because maybe you have not had a lot of life experience so far or a very sheltered life?

 

I am approaching this topic with an open mind... are you, because your mind seems closed to listen to any opinion that differs from yours.  I also said I did believe positive thinking is a benefit to a happy life, and negative thinking is a disadvantage... but I just did not believe that you can not see any bad in anything in life and ignore suffering.

 

For example, how can you 'see the good' in having a terrible painful and long lasting terminal disease?  How can you see the good in getting attacked, raped, abused?  What about if you have a baby or child and they get abducted, tortured and killed... you will see the good in that?  If your best friend or partner commits suicide, or your pet cat gets set on fire by teenagers.... you can see good in it?

 

As bad as it can be we actually need some negative experiences and bad things to happen to us in order for us to learn and develop our personal growth.

 

I find it sickening and immoral that you admit you ignore negative things in life... so people suffering and you would be thinking it was a good thing and be happy yourself and ignore them?  Or maybe because its not happening to you and your life is so nice you don't care about them?  

 

 

 

 

For the record, I am 63, and if I did spend some time pondering on the ill-fortunes of some, would it make any difference to their situation? No. I agree that we all grow from negative interactions (I've had plenty of those). You are trying to make this a black and white thing, when it is actually quite grey. I see the good in everything (I think about) which means I don't ponder on negative things period.

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1 minute ago, geronimo said:

For the record, I am 63, and if I did spend some time pondering on the ill-fortunes of some, would it make any difference to their situation? No. I agree that we all grow from negative interactions (I've had plenty of those). You are trying to make this a black and white thing, when it is actually quite grey. I see the good in everything (I think about) which means I don't ponder on negative things period.

You 'spent time pondering the ill-fortunes of some'.  Wow.  How about getting off you bottom out of your garden and helping people and help the world to be a better place?  You know recognising bad things and suffering, and actually doing something to reduce it or ease it is very rewarding for yourself as well as the people you help.  It give your perspective to see the truly good things in your life that others don't have.  For me its not about trying to attain happiness for myself as a goad or reward.

 

From my understanding of your posts (and I admit I might be mistaken)all your are doing is shutting off your mind and turning a blind eye to suffering and negative things that are happening around you.Basically sticking your head in the sand, isolating yourself and pretending everything is good and fine in the world.

 

I am glad for you if you think sitting alone in a garden is all you need to be happy in your life.  But other people need a lot more, and I personally think life is far to valuable to isolate myself form reality and the needs of others, and pretend everything is 'good'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

You 'spent time pondering the ill-fortunes of some'.  Wow.  How about getting off you bottom out of your garden and helping people and help the world to be a better place?  You know recognising bad things and suffering, and actually doing something to reduce it or ease it is very rewarding for yourself as well as the people you help.  It give your perspective to see the truly good things in your life that others don't have.  For me its not about trying to attain happiness for myself as a goad or reward.

 

From my understanding of your posts (and I admit I might be mistaken)all your are doing is shutting off your mind and turning a blind eye to suffering and negative things that are happening around you.Basically sticking your head in the sand, isolating yourself and pretending everything is good and fine in the world.

 

I am glad for you if you think sitting alone in a garden is all you need to be happy in your life.  But other people need a lot more, and I personally think life is far to valuable to isolate myself form reality and the needs of others, and pretend everything is 'good'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read my post correctly, you'll see that I said the magic word"if' which means I did not spent a moment pondering on the ill fortunes of others. Get it right sir!

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