'Very unhelpful': Ireland scolds British PM Johnson over Brexit

[fishtank]

20 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

So let me get this straight. Any new approach by any British government is to be considered as 'provocative'?

 

This statement from Germany clearly highlights the fact that the EU knows it put May in a corner with a deal that benefits Europe only.

Intransigent and too powerful by far. Good luck Johnson - knock the arrogance out of this failing giant.

 

Greece will be next. When Merkel goes next year, Germany will have its hands full of malcontent from those who appose her policies and following very closely behind that will be Macron's departure - overwhelmed by support for Marina le Pen!

 

 

In case you forgot.

The Prime Minister actually negotiated a deal with the 27.

She actually negotiated one. along with her many Brexit secretaries.

Why should our friends in Europe rip it up and start again because it does not fit in with the extremists ideology?  

[Jip99]

7 minutes ago, fishtank said:

In case you forgot.

The Prime Minister actually negotiated a deal with the 27.

She actually negotiated one. along with her many Brexit secretaries.

Why should our friends in Europe rip it up and start again because it does not fit in with the extremists ideology?  

 

 

Because it was crap!

 

 

Simples.

 

 

She also said that No Deal was better than a bad deal. Her's was a bad deal......

[natway09]

Talk is cheap, but Boris has not said one thing constructive yet except more police.

In fact the rhetoric  if anything has inflamed things with no idea of any constructive solutions

If he thinks he will wave the big stick at the EU he is more stupid than I thought he was

[fishtank]

1 minute ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Because it was crap!

 

 

Simples.

 

 

She also said that No Deal was better than a bad deal. Her's was a bad deal......

It delivered Brexit and if all those extremists would have voted for it months ago this would all be over now and the currency would be starting to rise.

Now it looks like it will never be done.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Billy The Kid said:

A general election or a 2nd referendum looks more likely... Let the people decide . People didn’t understand the first referendum, many didn’t turned up to vote . 

If people didn't understand a simple binary remain/leave vote, what makes you think that they will understand a multiple choice question?

 

Besides that, who will frame the question and how many parts will be in it?

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

That was just the first poll I came across when doing a Google search. There have been several others giving the same results. For instance a Lucid Talk poll of 1,334 people in December 2018 also showed a majority in favour of a united Ireland if the alternative is a 'no deal' Brexit. Also, If you think a poll of 1,199 or 1,334 people is not a big enough sample to give statistically accurate results, then I'm afraid you don't know much about opinion poll methodology.

 

Even a sample size of 550 people (properly selected) will give you an accurate result 19 times out of 20. With numbers of 1,000 or more the margin of error is even smaller. As the YouGov site states;

 

 

YouGov - poll methodology

 

Take a look at any opinion poll you like, I think you'll find that the sample size is usually between 1,000 and 2,000.

 

In fact, in the US even with its much larger population, the average poll size is just 1,000, according to the US National Council on Public Polls. Again, they quote a margin of error of just 3% for such a sample size.

 

NCPP site

 

I have to say that is nonsense. The sample data is too low. Anyway I think we all know how accurate polls are, do we not.

Look at this and just see how polls are inaccurate, especially small sample data.

 

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

 

[billd766]

22 minutes ago, fishtank said:

In case you forgot.

The Prime Minister actually negotiated a deal with the 27.

She actually negotiated one. along with her many Brexit secretaries.

Why should our friends in Europe rip it up and start again because it does not fit in with the extremists ideology?  

What a pity that the wonderful deal was rejected, not just once, but three times by her own government and parliament, so in truth there was/is no deal to renegotiate.

 

14 minutes ago, fishtank said:

It delivered Brexit and if all those extremists would have voted for it months ago this would all be over now and the currency would be starting to rise.

Now it looks like it will never be done.

 

But it didn't deliver Brexit at all and if those "extremists" remainers had accepted Brexit in the first place, yes Brexit would be over long ago.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

If people didn't understand a simple binary remain/leave vote, what makes you think that they will understand a multiple choice question?

 

Besides that, who will frame the question and how many parts will be in it?

I should imagine it would be someone like Anna Soubry or maybe Caroline Lucas that would compose the two questions, the first being:

1. Would you like to remain within the EU

2. Do you not wish to leave the EU

 

Caroline Lucas the great advocater of a second referendum when asked by Jo Coburn on the Politics Today program "if you had a second referendum and leave won again, would you honour that referendum" Lucas said "no". The sheer arrogance of these people doesn't bare thinking about.

[Jip99]

18 minutes ago, fishtank said:

It delivered Brexit and if all those extremists would have voted for it months ago this would all be over now and the currency would be starting to rise.

Now it looks like it will never be done.

 

 

Agree with that, except for 'extremists"........ "self-interested b4stards, more interested in their own agendas rather than compromising in the interest of completing the democratic process" might be more appropriate.

 

The deal wasn't a good one but it would have got us out and the ongoing relationship could have been developed over time.

 

That is why I think the new PM and the EU should explore ways in which a deal, acceptable to parliament (not sure I have any faith in that any more), can be agreed quickly. If not, then run with departure on 31 October under Article 50.

[norfolkc]

All the criticism of Boris on here is ok along as you want to see a pro communist government in power with commissar Corbyn at its head with the likes of Lammy Abbot and co running behind and all the pro Hamas Momentum people calling the shots sounds like a great idea to me think of all the UK people in different wars that have lost their lives to stop the spread of communism which dosen't work anyway a failed idea that these idiots hang onto, and for the Irish government to talk like this they and the EU are the one's who have flooded Ireland with 3rd world Muslim immigrants all being done without asking the Irish people if this is ok The commissar's latest speech yesterday in the UK is a promise to lower the voting age to 16 must be desperate for vote's they have already deserted the working class in the UK in favor of the Muslims what a complete shower or rubbish they are before people start slagging of Boris look at the rest and what the stand for then think what you are saying 

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, Bundooman said:

So let me get this straight. Any new approach by any British government is to be considered as 'provocative'?

 

This statement from Germany clearly highlights the fact that the EU knows it put May in a corner with a deal that benefits Europe only.

Intransigent and too powerful by far. Good luck Johnson - knock the arrogance out of this failing giant.

 

Greece will be next. When Merkel goes next year, Germany will have its hands full of malcontent from those who appose her policies and following very closely behind that will be Macron's departure - overwhelmed by support for Marina le Pen!

 

 

Even the poorest Greeks don't want a return of the Drachma. I was on holiday in Greece before the EU, prefered currency was the DM. Same with Italy, nobody wants a return of the Lira no matter how much they may snort and paw the ground.

[AGareth2]

1 hour ago, fishtank said:

In case you forgot.

The Prime Minister actually negotiated a deal with the 27.

accepted more like

[nauseus]

59 minutes ago, fishtank said:

It delivered Brexit and if all those extremists would have voted for it months ago this would all be over now and the currency would be starting to rise.

Now it looks like it will never be done.

It's still crap. It is not leaving EU law, rules and conditions in far too many ways into a future that is not clear and might tie us in indefinitely. It's another treaty but with no clearly written get-out this time.

 

Your pound will ultimately be stronger if we leave properly. 

Edited July 27, 2019 by nauseus

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, natway09 said:

Talk is cheap, but Boris has not said one thing constructive yet except more police.

In fact the rhetoric  if anything has inflamed things with no idea of any constructive solutions

If he thinks he will wave the big stick at the EU he is more stupid than I thought he was

How about we are leaving the EU on 31st October 2019 with a deal or no deal. That is as constructive as you can get.

[Laughing Gravy]

22 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Even the poorest Greeks don't want a return of the Drachma. I was on holiday in Greece before the EU, prefered currency was the DM. Same with Italy, nobody wants a return of the Lira no matter how much they may snort and paw the ground.

Really.

https://www.thelocal.it/20131108/fifth-of-italians-want-the-lira-back

 

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/euro-slips-after-italian-lawmakers-talk-of-lira-return

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2018/06/07/italys-proposed-parallel-currency-is-the-biggest-threat-to-the-eurozone/

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, Billy The Kid said:

A general election or a 2nd referendum looks more likely... Let the people decide . People didn’t understand the first referendum

Oh, please. "Vote Leave or Remain". How difficult to understand is that?

 

As for a "people's vote", what's the point when the (women) leaders of the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party have already said they wouldn't accept a "Leave" result?

 

Ironic how women politicians are always banging on about equality yet treat Brexiteers as a dumb underclass whose views can be ignored.

 

 

 

[aright]

37 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Even the poorest Greeks don't want a return of the Drachma. I was on holiday in Greece before the EU, prefered currency was the DM. Same with Italy, nobody wants a return of the Lira no matter how much they may snort and paw the ground.

Of course they don't want to revert to their old currencies because that would produce greater austerity. Going back to their old currencies would create countries on the verge of bankruptcy with no Central Banks and a complete inability to raise loans. It is safer for them to remain under the euro umbrella. 

This state of affairs is perfectly acceptable to Germany the only country that benefits from the euro.

[Basil B]

32 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

 

As for a "people's vote", what's the point when the (women) leaders of the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party have already said they wouldn't accept a "Leave" result?

Can you please supply a link that quotes where the current leaders of the LibDem and Green Party actually said they would not accept the result of a second referendum if it were "Leave"?

 

You are just spreading Brexiteers misinformation again.

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Can you please supply a link that quotes where the current leaders of the LibDem and Green Party actually said they would not accept the result of a second referendum if it were "Leave"?

 

You are just spreading Brexiteers misinformation again.

Caroline Lucas said it on The Politics Today Show this week, I don't know about the Lib/Dems.

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Can you please supply a link that quotes where the current leaders of the LibDem and Green Party actually said they would not accept the result of a second referendum if it were "Leave"?

 

You are just spreading Brexiteers misinformation again.

Coo-ee, found it.

 

 

[Proboscis]

9 hours ago, smedly said:

May is gone get over it

 

stop the nonsense and get to sorting out solutions 

 

stupid people

Actually your comment is unhelpful as the reader is left with no idea who is supposed to stop the nonsense and sort out solutions and who the stupid people are.

[Proboscis]

8 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

The EU is a circus, so clowns are everywhere!

OK - I get it. The EU is supposed to be responsible for every bad thing that has happened in the UK.

 

But you cannot blame the EU for the clown in Downing Street now!

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Fair enough. Of course you do realise that as it stands, the majority of the population in both Eire AND Northern Ireland, prefer a united Ireland to a no-deal Brexit, don't you?

 

Northern Ireland voters will back united Ireland

See the results of the referendum, 2016.  Soon the UK will be the SK = Single Kingdom

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

See the results of the referendum, 2016.  Soon the UK will be the SK = Single Kingdom

Nice try at baiting, the UK is staying together, have you any proof of your assertions?

[puipuitom]

22 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

It was bound to happen, the EU is pouting because someone is standing up to them instead of rolling over, the EU must also be wary as other countries are starting to want to negotiate trade terms.

 You mean these ? ????

Ongoing trade negotiation processes between EU and third countries include:   https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/trade-policy/trade-agreements/

• Japan - a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) which entered into force on 1 February 2019; negotiating directives were adopted in 2012 and deal was ratified end of 2018   ( result: Honda closes its car factory in the UK and returns to Japan)
• Singapore - split FTA signed on 19 October 2018, to enter into force in 2019; negotiating directives were adopted under ASEAN, the Association of South East Asian Nations, in 2007
• Vietnam - split FTA signed on 30 June 2019; negotiating directives were adopted under ASEAN in 2007  

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/  

Edited July 28, 2019 by metisdead
Edited as per fair use policy.

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

If people didn't understand a simple binary remain/leave vote, what makes you think that they will understand a multiple choice question?

 

Besides that, who will frame the question and how many parts will be in it?

Because theBritish voters were lied, lied, lied and lied to. Now many know better.

a) "take back control"  as if there is ANY EU regulation accepted without the signature of the British PM or subject-minister ( agriculture, transport etc) . And for sure, before any concept comes close to the EU council ( of heads of government of the member states) I presume also the British delegates ( governemtnal officials) went often to "Brussels"to bring in their vieuws, demands, fears , advises etc. Even ebfore, it is discussed in the EU Commission, in which form every member state a Commissioner is appointed, even from the UK ( Julian King,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Commissioners_by_nationality )

 

b) "Turkey is on the edge of stepping into the EU" Forget it. Negociations came to a halt already some years ago, and are even now stopped.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

 

c) "350 million pounds to NHS instead of wasted to "Brussels". The total NETT contribution of the UK is a LOT lower als ala Brexit liers told.  https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7886  ( oh.. wait.. publications of your parliament are fake news of course)

The above figure of £4.3 billion includes only funding allocated to UK government to manage. However, the European Commission also allocates funding directly to UK organisations, often following a competitive process. In recent years these funds have been worth around £1 billion - £2 billion to the UK. Accounting for these receipts results in the UK making an average net contribution of £7.9 billion between 2013 and 2017.

 

4) When the UK steps out off the EU with a no-deal, the WTO-rules and import tariffs will be valid. This means: 10% for private cars, 20% over lorries ( total 17,1 bn >1,7 bn), petrol products ( 20% over 20,6 bn = 4bn),  confectionary 13,7% etc. see https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en  see also via Google with "brexit disaster for UK agricultural industry"  https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851#fullreport 

1.  

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/existing-trade-agreements-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-without-a-deal/existing-trade-agreements-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-without-a-deal

 

You know, the payer of all factory workers in the EU from 1 Nov: "dear God... give us our daily bread and thanks Boris for terminating nearly all the UK competition here"

 

The question(s) for a referendum about WHICH brexit / leave? Not so difficult: a no deal, a Boris deal, the May deal, the CEPA ( = Canada deal), the Swiss deal, the Norway deal or.. revoke art 50. 

The two "winners" maybe in a second vote.

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, Jip99 said:

That is why I think the new PM and the EU should explore ways in which a deal, acceptable to parliament (not sure I have any faith in that any more), can be agreed quickly. If not, then run with departure on 31 October under Article 50.

Why 27 EU Parliaments should "danse to the wishes" of only one = nr 28 = HoC of the UK ?

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Why 27 EU Parliaments should "danse to the wishes" of only one = nr 28 = HoC of the UK ?

Soon it will be 26 then 25 then................

 

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, norfolkc said:

All the criticism of Boris on here is ok along as you want to see a pro communist government in power with commissar Corbyn at its head with the likes of Lammy Abbot and co running behind and all the pro Hamas Momentum people calling the shots sounds like a great idea to me think of all the UK people in different wars that have lost their lives to stop the spread of communism which dosen't work anyway a failed idea that these idiots hang onto, and for the Irish government to talk like this they and the EU are the one's who have flooded Ireland with 3rd world Muslim immigrants all being done without asking the Irish people if this is ok The commissar's latest speech yesterday in the UK is a promise to lower the voting age to 16 must be desperate for vote's they have already deserted the working class in the UK in favor of the Muslims what a complete shower or rubbish they are before people start slagging of Boris look at the rest and what the stand for then think what you are saying 

THE problem of the UK.. it is Always: "or we or our mortal enemy". As "the winner takes it all", smaller parties with bright new ideas simply do not get a chance as OR the Tories OR Labour runs away with the seat being the biggest in nearly all baronies ( sorry: constituencies). NEVER a real idea of what the voters actually want.

[Loiner]

4 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Oh, please. "Vote Leave or Remain". How difficult to understand is that?

 

As for a "people's vote", what's the point when the (women) leaders of the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party have already said they wouldn't accept a "Leave" result?

 

Ironic how women politicians are always banging on about equality yet treat Brexiteers as a dumb underclass whose views can be ignored.

Has anybody else noticed how so many of the current Brexit problems are caused by women politicians etc. May, Merkel, Morgan, Soubry, Cooper, Lucas, Miller, et al. They are the ones that spout the typical girly arguments: We didn't understand. We've changed our mind. We don't agree anyway. We want to try again. We only want our way and nobody else's..... Most of them shouldn't be allowed anywhere near decision making of national importance.

Shrieking Remainer madams, one columnist called them. I think he was right.