UK PM Johnson tells EU: ditch backstop or face no-deal Brexit

[Jip99]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

funny, they asked similar question to Boris about his plan to leave the EU and he replied I don't have a clue

 

Actually, he didn't

[Jip99]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

if it's a sinking ship why is the UK trying to hold on to it, why does the EU keep sending extra life vests "jackets"

 

 

52% isn't.

 

We don't want it.

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

It is no surprise that snowflakes, who can't handle democratic decisions going against them, are resorting to every underhand tactic they can muster.

 

Says a lot about them.

Traitors.

[Thingamabob]

38 minutes ago, billd766 said:

A quote from your post.

 

"Johnson wants to give an amensty to 500 million illegals in the UK,"

 

My response is simple and easy.

 

The link is here. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/

 

The current population of the United Kingdom is 66,986,342 as of Sunday, July 28, 2019, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

 

Can you please explain how in a population of 66,986,342 people Boris Johnson wants to give 500,000,000 illegal aliens and amnesty?

 

That for me makes the rest of your post a badly researched and written joke.

 

Slightly overdone the zeros.

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, transam said:

The countries that suffered back then have tried the EU, which has turned out to be NOT "The Band of Brothers"....UK is leaving, enough was enough, and I am sure there are other EU members thinking/talking the same in their back rooms. Of course the "Oliver Twist" countries will be striving for the opportunity to "Ask for More"...

Which countries want to setep out of the EU ?

Just read some "brexit fake news" https://www.indy100.com/article/eu-membership-countries-vote-leave-remain-8888956

EU28, Kantar poll: European Union Membership Referendum % Remain

Ireland 91% Netherlands 91% Sweden 89% Spain 88% Germany 89% Belgium 87% Portugal 92% Greece 75% Bulgaria 83% France 74% Estonia 89% Slovakia 86% Italy 72% Hungary 81% Denmark 86% Poland 89% Romania 89%

To give you a second: the Dutch PVV, and ONLY who want a NEXIT went from 4 seats in the EU parliament to.. ZERO 

 

Not all want to commit commercial + economical suicide like the British ( or better: the English)

[Thingamabob]

2 hours ago, puipuitom said:

48,11%, just a mere, neglectable and ignorable quantity…  in British democracy.

Remind; this is NOT a step like accepting open shops on Christmas eve,. but.. a gigantic change in direction for decades for a complete nation.

Win gracefully, lose gracefully. Sadly lacking these days.

[stephenterry]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Which countries want to setep out of the EU ?

Just read some "brexit fake news" https://www.indy100.com/article/eu-membership-countries-vote-leave-remain-8888956

EU28, Kantar poll: European Union Membership Referendum % Remain

Ireland 91% Netherlands 91% Sweden 89% Spain 88% Germany 89% Belgium 87% Portugal 92% Greece 75% Bulgaria 83% France 74% Estonia 89% Slovakia 86% Italy 72% Hungary 81% Denmark 86% Poland 89% Romania 89%

To give you a second: the Dutch PVV, and ONLY who want a NEXIT went from 4 seats in the EU parliament to.. ZERO 

 

Not all want to commit commercial + economical suicide like the British ( or better: the English)

The trouble Leavemoaners don't understand is exactly that. Their blue sky thinking ignores the practicalities of the immense difficulties facing the UK should it leave the EU.

 

In fact, I've never heard one positive that Brexit would bring to the man on the street. Tax rebate offered by Johnson to the richest? Perhaps someone's granddad in his 70's would say he never trusted the Germans...

 

[puipuitom]

36 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Just kick us out. It is the EU who are the hold up.

You cannot read. it was the UK who asked for an extention.. twice.

 

European Council (Art. 50), 21/03/2019 - Consilium

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/european-council/2019/03/21/art50/

21 Mar 2019 ... The EU27 leaders met on 21 March 2019 to discuss the latest ... Brexit: European Council adopts decision extending the period under Article …

 

Special European Council (Art.50), 10/04/2019 - Consilium

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/european-council/2019/04/10/

10 Apr 2019 ... EU27 leaders agreed to delay Brexit until 31 October 2019. ... Council decisionextending the period under Article 50 TEU, 11/04/2019 …

[Thingamabob]

12 hours ago, fishtank said:

It was the British who wanted the backstop in the first place.

Plonker Boris don't seem to understand this.

If he and his muppets had voted for the deal months ago UK would be out by now.

Boris bounce in full swing. Tories 10 points ahead in latest polls.

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Even when the UK leaves the UK will probably still be contributing more than a lot of the other 27 states. So I can understand your anxiety about us leaving a sinking ship.

Yes, in the form of import duties levied on products from the UK. And.. see petrol products, cars, foods: a LOT more than the present UK contribution.

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en Cars: 10 %, lorries 20 %, much food products 10-15 %, petrol products: up to 20%.

So, financially seen, the EU should never have granted the UK an extension for Brexit.

[Bluespunk]

38 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Perhaps Eire and the EU will realise the same thing.

Maybe, but from a personal point of view, I would like to see Eire’s concerns over the Good Friday Agreement addressed to its satisfaction. 

[stephenterry]

8 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Win gracefully, lose gracefully. Sadly lacking these days.

Can you get into your head it's not winning or losing - it's what's best for Britain is crucial- and Brexit isn't. Any dimwit - and I don't include you -yet - could understand that.

 

it's not a football game - this winning mentality is ridiculous.

 

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, aright said:

Yes a mere 1.3 million more people voted to leave than stay, a neglectable and ignorable quantity

48,11 % voted for : NO brexit at all.

51,88% voted for A KIND OF Brexit. Which ? ? A super-soft Brexit, a soft Brexit, a May Brexit, a Norwegian or Swiss agreement, a Canadian deal, a NO DEAL at all or.. forget all and withdrawal of art 50.

Therefore .. a referendum, which Brexit the British want. ( with ...oh God, no … the chance, withdrawal of art 50... under no circumstance a Brexiteer is willing to risk that chance... ) 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Yes, in the form of import duties levied on products from the UK. And.. see petrol products, cars, foods: a LOT more than the present UK contribution.

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en Cars: 10 %, lorries 20 %, much food products 10-15 %, petrol products: up to 20%.

So, financially seen, the EU should never have granted the UK an extension for Brexit.

So how does this work then, in one breath you are saying I wish you would leave, then in another breath you are saying we are stupid to leave. If you really wanted us to leave puipuitom you would be telling us how wonderfull life is on the other side, admit it, you don't want us to go and will say anything to convince us to stay, but ain't going to work I'm afraid, we are going, sorry.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, stephenterry said:

Well, I do respect your optimism, if you bear in mind that there are opposing views in the mirror to yours. And these are based on economic facts, not blue-sky ideological fantasies of fresh daisies.

Ah but that is your Remainer problem. They are not facts. They are Project Fear predictions, based on the ideological propaganda of europhiles who may as well be geomancers and soothsayers.

Doubters, gloomsters and doomsters - Boris has it right.

[Rv Hawee]

10 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

[...] So GE taking place will ensure parliament passes a vote requiring Boris to seek a further extension of time beyond the 31st

Sorry but any further extension would also be at the decision of the UE 27 countries and french' s Macron ( and other few, i think) is still not in favor of it, like lot of peoples outside from UK ...

Sorry, but British have to deal with themselves first.

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Who forbids metric units....?

 

The USA uses MPH, weigh in pounds, but their threads have been metric for over 30 years...Sorry, but you really do not know what you are talking about...

see in google with "Jacob Rees-Mogg Use imperial measurements" 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9595040/jacob-rees-mogg-rule-book-esquire/

https://www.ft.com/content/e0556f76-afc6-11e9-8030-530adfa879c2  

Edited July 28, 2019 by puipuitom

[stephenterry]

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

That's a remainers point of view. The big issue is the Brexit party and how successful they will be, BJ fails.

 

The brexit issue will not go away. If the EU were smart and they are clearly not, have no real understanding of the underlying distrust and contempt of the UK against the EU, they would be best severing ties ASAP. Then again history shows that the EU is not the smartest lamp in the street.

Of course the Brexit issue will go away. Perhaps in 2090 or earlier when the new generation rejoins the EU.  As for EU contempt, that's not evidenced anywhere that holds water - don't bother, waste of time. 

 

Having said that, there is no doubt that the EU, as it stands, is far from perfect and does need an overhaul. IMO that would have been better addressed by Cameron, when the Uk had a seat and a veto - which it still has at today.

 

I do consider that Johnson's energetic approach to resolving Brexit could work, although I don't consider a no-deal as the best outcome for the UK.

[vogie]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Who forbids metric units....?

 

The USA uses MPH, weigh in pounds, but their threads have been metric for over 30 years...Sorry, but you really do not know what you are talking about...

I learned imperial measurement at school, I still use imperial when doing my DIY. I know what 2 inches is, but in metric it could be 50 mill for I know.????

[AGareth2]

19 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Maybe, but from a personal point of view, I would like to see Eire’s concerns over the Good Friday Agreement addressed to its satisfaction. 

but you are not leaving the EU

to stop the UK from leaving would be Tyranny

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, AGareth2 said:

but you are not leaving the EU

to stop the UK from leaving would be Tyranny

Where did I advocate stopping the uk leaving?

[stephenterry]

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Ah but that is your Remainer problem. They are not facts. They are Project Fear predictions, based on the ideological propaganda of europhiles who may as well be geomancers and soothsayers.

Doubteloiner.rs, gloomsters and doomsters - Boris has it right.

Get real, Loiner. The above is a load of nonsense as can be proven by the UK government's own published statistical information on the adverse effects of Brexit. Wait and wake up to the reality if Brexit happens. 

 

Some people...

[damascase]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Just kick us out. It is the EU who are the hold up.

 

Just say goodbye on 31st October, deal or no deal. It IS that easy

Oh dear, there we go again: it is the EU to blame for all of the UK’s incompetency and impotency...........

[Loiner]

8 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Get real, Loiner. The above is a load of nonsense as can be proven by the UK government's own published statistical information on the adverse effects of Brexit. Wait and wake up to the reality if Brexit happens. 

 

Some people...

We've already seen that the government's prophecies on Brexit were untrue from the day after the referendum. George Osborne's for example, or Mark Carney's if you consider him as part of the govt machine. 

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

We've already seen that the government's prophecies on Brexit were untrue from the day after the referendum. George Osborne's for example, or Mark Carney's if you consider him as part of the govt machine. 

Didn't know brexit has been effectuated already.

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

Traitors.

Well maybe you'll be able to hang us once you have your new Brexit paradise - with hang-em Patel as Home Secretary. Make them public as well so the mob can bray at the snivelling, backstabbing,anti democratic remoaner elite who have tried but failed to frustrate the democratic will of the British People. With Comrade BoJo doling out shedloads of money to British born working class communities in t'North  , cheered to the rafters by grateful brickies and their like. 

[beautifulthailand99]

43 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Get real, Loiner. The above is a load of nonsense as can be proven by the UK government's own published statistical information on the adverse effects of Brexit. Wait and wake up to the reality if Brexit happens. 

 

Some people...

Loiner wouldn't pass the JRM grammar test - but then he probably went to a 'poor school' rather than Eton.  These guys that are taking on the elites for the benefit of the British working class.  Jolly good of them to help out those less fortunate than themselves. 

 

 

Edited July 28, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[Nigel Garvie]

17 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Loiner wouldn't pass the JRM grammar test - but then he probably went to a 'poor school' rather than Eton.  These guys that are taking on the elites for the benefit of the British working class.  Jolly good of them to help out those less fortunate than themselves. 

 

 

Looking at the picture of young toffs there reminds me that the French were right about the guillotine, and the Russians serfs right to eliminate their own parasitic aristocracy. Sadly this option is not currently available.

[puipuitom]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

So how does this work then (a), in one breath you are saying I wish you would leave ( b ) , then in another breath you are saying we are stupid to leave (c) . If you really wanted us to leave puipuitom you would be telling us how wonderfull life is on the other side, admit it, you don't want us to go and will say anything to convince us to stay (d) , but ain't going to work I'm afraid, we are going, sorry.

a) For instance: white chocolate:  https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20190728&Area=AR&MeasType=&StartPub=&EndPub=&MeasText=&GoodsText=&op=&Taric=1704903000&search_text=goods&textSearch=&LangDescr=en&OrderNum=&Regulation=&measStartDat=&measEndDat=

Third country duty (01-07-2000 - ): 9.10 % + 45.10 EUR / 100 kg MAX 18.90 % + 16.50 EUR / 100 kg

Non preferential tariff quota (01-07-2019 - 30-06-2020) : 35.00 % So, tariff quota full = bye-bye UK chocolate into the EU.

private cars: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20190728&Area=AR&MeasType=&StartPub=&EndPub=&MeasText=&GoodsText=&op=&Taric=8703221000&search_text=goods&textSearch=&LangDescr=en&OrderNum=&Regulation=&measStartDat=&measEndDat=

Third country duty (15-09-1994 - ) :  10.00 %

lories, diesel:  https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20190728&Area=AR&MeasType=&StartPub=&EndPub=&MeasText=&GoodsText=&op=&Taric=8704213100&search_text=goods&textSearch=&LangDescr=en&OrderNum=&Regulation=&measStartDat=&measEndDat=

Third country duty (15-09-1994 - ) :  22.00 %

= bye-bye UK lorries.

 

b) the sooner the UK leaves, the earlier the British ( and the rest of Europe) will see the consequences. When the predicted bad situation occurs, the discussions are for a long time over. ( also for Catalonia, also Lega North + warning for the Visograd group)

As Charles de Gaulle already said in 1963: "The British are islanders, and will NEVER feel united with continental EU". see  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/25/french-france-block-britain-entry-common-market-de-gaulle-1963 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42165383  They get what they want, even from the other islanders like Scots and Irish (what the English did for over a millennium till today by completely ignoring the interests of these parts of the UK). 

c) Look to all problems especially the UK industry will have when they lose the export to the EU, but have no real alternative for a lot the UK imports from the EU.

Seen also the many trade agreements the EU have, quite difficult for a small country like the EUK with only 67 mln consumers to get a better deal as the EU with then 450 mln consumers, who also might react if the UK gets a better deal

d) The UK still could have a very interesting contribution to a further development of this union of nations. Who in the UK wants to go back to the times of Mercia, Wessex, Sussex, Kent, Northumbria, East Anglia ?

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

1) For the EU, the worst outcome is not a no-deal Brexit. It’s putting the single market at risk. 

 

2) For the UK, a no-deal Brexit is the worst outcome. That’s why parliament will prevent it at all cost. 

 

3) A no-deal Brexit is more worse for the UK than for the EU as well. 

 

Thus, there will be no no-deal Brexit. It’s not rocket science to see that.