just been turned down for my married extension

[sumrit]

16 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

28 minutes ago, sumrit said:

Unless, of course, the IO's tag a persons Immigration file with a code of some sort that says an agent has been used to process the application.

Do you think they also tag if you've gone direct to Immigration and missed out the agent?

Not necessary, the lack of a tag will tell them that won't it.????

Edited August 3, 2019 by sumrit

[ubonjoe]

10 hours ago, dayo202 said:

But today immigration said because my non O imm based on retirement was processed and approved in jomtien

I cant renew my extension in pathum thani I got be leave Thailand and do a border run. 

Not sure it matters where the your visa was issued.

I think they are saying that since your visa was issued on the basis of retirement you cannot extend that entry based upon marriage. I have seen reports of other offices stating that incorrect opinion before.

I think your best option is make an appointment for a non-o visa at Vientiane to get a new visa.

[Peterw42]

11 minutes ago, sumrit said:

No. he's not. 

 

My mate was offered a back hand extension directly from an IO in Jomtien 3-4 years ago on his first ever visit to Thailand. He refused the offer and did thing 'legally'. But the offer was to change his 30 day exempt to a 90 day non O, then give him a 12 month retirement extension and a multi re-entry permit, all for 15k and completed in about three days.

 

Even without other 'anomalies', He couldn't open a bank account before he arrived here so it was impossible for him to have seasoned the 800K baht for three months. The process he was offered had to be illegal for that reason alone.

The process you describe can be done without an agent as the initial seasoning is 60 days when you do the conversion method, 100s do that process everyday.

You stiil appear to not get what happens with an agent extension, the extension gets approved by a high level IO who can waive the seasoning, The same as a bank manager has the authority to let you overdraw your account when the bank teller doesn't. Otherwise its an extension like any other, 

[asiaexpat]

8 hours ago, lemonjelly said:

So you’re trying to get an extension based on marriage to a visa based on retirement?

sounds flakey.

Not a problem, done all the time. 

[Tanoshi]

10 hours ago, dayo202 said:

Here's  a little background to my visa history for the past 15 months

I arrived in Thailand on a 30 days TM6 on 24th May 2018

I then had a agent in pattaya to sort my non O imm based on retirement which give me 15 months in total

 

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

Unless the IOP told them, Pthani immigration would have no idea the last extension was done by an agent. 

It would have been obvious to PT that an agent was involved.

The OP arrived on a VE entry and converted to a Non O and subsequent extension.

When agents are involved, the Non O is issued with the extension issued immediately after (usually following day), therefore negating the 2 month seasoning period before obtaining the extension.

 

In total 15 months (as the OP states) before having to renew the extension.

Some IO don't like the way it was issued and won't touch them thereafter.

 

[Solinvictus]

11 hours ago, dayo202 said:

No IO said because my O imm visa was processed and approved in jomtien I couldn't renew

in  pathum thani, IO told my wife it don't matter what extension  I was going to apply for.

That Pathum Thani immigration out of all places, is one of the strictest as far as paper work goes.  From what I hear and experienced in the past.

 

Make a trip to BKK immigration and try again?

Edited August 3, 2019 by Solinvictus

[yodsak]

4 hours ago, brokenbone said:

no, it cost 10 x more but at least you get the visa

Not in Pattaya. ฿14,000.    ฿12,000 more than DIY...  thats an extra  ฿1000 a month or ฿230  a week.   ฿33 a day .   

[sumrit]

9 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The process you describe can be done without an agent as the initial seasoning is 60 days when you do the conversion method, 100s do that process everyday.

You stiil appear to not get what happens with an agent extension, the extension gets approved by a high level IO who can waive the seasoning, The same as a bank manager has the authority to let you overdraw your account when the bank teller doesn't. Otherwise its an extension like any other, 

And you don't get my point do you. I wasn't talking agent specific.

 

A poster said Glegolo was talking BS. I wasn't highlighting anything else, simply showing, on a first extension, the DATE anomalies when a visa/extension is processed can show the problems/incorrect process used, Glegolo was telling the truth.

[Peterw42]

4 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

 

It would have been obvious to PT that an agent was involved.

The OP arrived on a VE entry and converted to a Non O and subsequent extension.

When agents are involved, the Non O is issued with the extension issued immediately after (usually following day), therefore negating the 2 month seasoning period before obtaining the extension.

 

In total 15 months (as the OP states) before having to renew the extension.

Some IO don't like the way it was issued and won't touch them thereafter.

 

As UJ says, most likely an office that doesnt like changing retire to a marriage extension. There is nothing, other than speculation, that the OP was refused because it was an agent extension. Some offices you do end up with a 15 month stamp (O visa plus extension) when you do the conversion.

[yodsak]

1 hour ago, sumrit said:

Unless, of course, the IO's tag a persons Immigration file with a code of some sort that says an agent has been used to process the application.

And why would they do that ?

[sumrit]

Just now, Peterw42 said:

As UJ says, most likely an office that doesnt like changing retire to a marriage extension. There is nothing, other than speculation, that the OP was refused because it was an agent extension. Some offices you do end up with a 15 month stamp (O visa plus extension) when you do the conversion.

Exactly the same speculation you (and possibly UJ) are using.

[ubonjoe]

6 minutes ago, sumrit said:

Exactly the same speculation you (and possibly UJ) are using.

I wrote nothing about agents.

I only wrote about them not doing it due to the non immigrant visa he was issued by immigration was based upon retirement.

[sumrit]

5 minutes ago, yodsak said:

And why would they do that ?

Dunno, pure SPECULATION but maybe, for some corrupt IO's, it's to highlight applicants that are open to paying a bit of tea money.

 

While at the same time, maybe for non-corrupt IO's, it's to highlight which applicant's documentation might require extra attention in the future

[Tanoshi]

25 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Some offices you do end up with a 15 month stamp (O visa plus extension) when you do the conversion.

Not when you do the conversion process yourself, it's 3 visits.

First obtain the Non O, proof of funds, no seasoning requirement. (2 visits).

Third visit for extension, proof of funds, two month seasoning required.

 

Agents make one visit to submit Passport, then collect a couple of days later with both Non O and extension issued.

Edited August 3, 2019 by Tanoshi

[sumrit]

4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I wrote nothing about agents.

I only wrote about them not doing it due to the non immigrant visa he was issued by immigration was based upon retirement.

I didn't suggest you did write anything about agents. You wrote:

 

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I think they are saying that since your visa was issued on the basis of retirement you cannot extend that entry based upon marriage. I have seen reports of other offices stating that incorrect opinion before.

Without proof that is just your (valued) opinion and can be treated as speculation.

 

I was actually replying to a post where you were quoted as saying:

 

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As UJ says, most likely an office that doesnt like changing retire to a marriage extension

Taken in context of the thread, I'm merely suggesting that, without proof, It's purely speculation.

 

Apologies if you took offence.

[Peterw42]

6 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Not when you do the conversion process yourself, it's 3 visits.

First obtain the Non O, proof of funds, no seasoning requirement.

Second visit for extension, proof of funds, two month seasoning required.

 

Agents make one visit to submit Passport, then collect a couple of days later with both Non O and extension issued.

How would you know, after the fact, that it was 1 visit or 3, there will be an o visa for 90 days then an extension that starts after the 90 days. 

[Tanoshi]

3 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

How would you know, after the fact, that it was 1 visit or 3, there will be an o visa for 90 days then an extension that starts after the 90 days. 

Because I've seen examples of how the Non O and extensions are issued when using an agent.

One day after the other.

 

A personal friend arrived in Thailand on a TV, then using a well known legal company, obtained his Non O and extension stamps + ME re-entry permit) within 5 days of arrival, for which he was duly charged 42,000 baht. (Almost 17 months of stay allowed).

He then travelled to Amnat, where he submitted a TM28 and TM30, which were duly accepted, but when he attempted his first 90 day report, they refused, stating his extension had been issued under other than normal conditions and didn't want to be associated with it.

They did renew his extension the following year, following the correct guidelines, but in-between he had to make 90 day border runs.

[Olmate]

3 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Because I've seen examples of how the Non O and extensions are issued when using an agent.

One day after the other.

 

A personal friend arrived in Thailand on a TV, then using a well known legal company, obtained his Non O and extension stamps + ME re-entry permit) within 5 days of arrival, for which he was duly charged 42,000 baht. (Almost 17 months of stay allowed).

He then travelled to Amnat, where he submitted a TM28 and TM30, which were duly accepted, but when he attempted his first 90 day report, they refused, stating his extension had been issued under other than normal conditions and didn't want to be associated with it.

They did renew his extension the following year, following the correct guidelines, but in-between he had to make 90 day border runs.

Those “friends” get into lots of trouble don,t they! Everyone seems to have one !

[david555]

10 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

When the agent in Pattaya handled your retirement visa/extension, was everything kosher, squeaky clean and above board?

If not, it is not surprising the Pathum Thani (Sam Khok) office was unable to help you. Take a few days off for a nice trip over to Mukdahan and on to Savannakhet for a new 1 year  "O" based on Thai Wife and then you can have a nice refreshing border run every 90 days., 

So it means the non agents  I.O. offices knowing very well what is going on in Pattaya I.O.  and don't take responsibility for their doing's ….

A warning sign for those who use them for follow ups …,however this means Pattaya I.O. must have a big "private connection " power to keep it going on 

Edited August 3, 2019 by david555

[Tanoshi]

8 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Those “friends” get into lots of trouble don,t they! Everyone seems to have one !

This was actually a friend I'd known for some time in the UK, not one I met in Thailand.

Must be sad and lonely if you don't have friends in life.

 

[scubascuba3]

Not necessary, the lack of a tag will tell them that won't it.[emoji16]

Why would they tag it though, no logic for the IO to do that, the only people wanting the tagging is expats disgruntled at having to comply with the ridiculous rules

[Peterw42]

9 minutes ago, david555 said:

So it means the non agents other I.O. offices knowing very well what is going on in Pattaya I.O.  and don't take responsibility for their doing's ….

A warning sign for those who use them for follow ups …,however this means Pattaya I.O. must have a big "private connection " power to keep it going on 

The OP wasnt refused because his previous extension was done by an agent, the specific reason he was given was because the previous extension was done at another office. 

Its wild speculation that the OP was refused because it was an agent extension, the OP certainly didnt say it, the reason he was given didn't say it. I could speculate it was the color of his shoes, I have just as much proof.

There are agents all over the country (every expat area) that do extensions, its not only Pattaya.

Edited August 3, 2019 by Peterw42

[Olmate]

Just now, Tanoshi said:

This was actually a friend I'd known for some time in the UK, not one I met in Thailand.

Must be sad and lonely if you don't have friends in life.

 

 

1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:

This was actually a friend I'd known for some time in the UK, not one I met in Thailand.

Must be sad and lonely if you don't have friends in life.

 

Agree but it’s funny how they are so useful when it comes to support of a particular cause! Not suggesting that your friend is imaginary of course.

[david555]

6 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The OP wasnt refused because his previous extension was done by an agent, the specific reason he was given was because the previous extension was done at another office. 

Its wild speculation that the OP was refused because it was an agent extension, the OP certainly didnt say it, the reason he was given didn't say it. I could speculate it was the color of his shoes, I have just as much proof.

There are agents all over the country (every expat area) that do extensions, its not only Pattaya.

Official reason  was not that …. BUT read …..I.O. talk to the wife about agents ….. you can not read in-between " virtual " lines …?

Edited August 3, 2019 by david555

[sumrit]

6 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

1 hour ago, sumrit said:

Not necessary, the lack of a tag will tell them that won't it.

Why would they tag it though, no logic for the IO to do that, the only people wanting the tagging is expats disgruntled at having to comply with the ridiculous rules

Already replied to that in post 73????

 

Quote

 

Dunno, pure SPECULATION but maybe, for some corrupt IO's, it's to highlight applicants that are open to paying a bit of tea money.

 

While at the same time, maybe for non-corrupt IO's, it's to highlight which applicant's documentation might require extra attention in the future

 

 

[from the home of CC]

10 hours ago, JackThompson said:

He is changing extension types from one Non-Imm Non-O reason (retirement) to another reason (marriage).   There is nothing wrong with this.  If married to a Thai and over 50, either is permitted subject to the qualifications for each. 

 

Marriage-extensions involve some work, so they want to punish him for doing it in-person honestly, vs via a payoff-system from which the office-staff directly enriches themselves.  It's the same in many offices.

just extended for reasons of marriage in Hua Hin 3 days ago - never been approached for a bribe, never had an unreasonable io request, never seen anythin, have had shady with me or anyone else there. 5 extensions here and 6 in Krabi you would think I would seen or heard something if this was the 'same in many offices'.    

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The OP wasnt refused because his previous extension was done by an agent, the specific reason he was given was because the previous extension was done at another office. 

I am sure it was not a problem with the extension being issued in another office.

It was due to his non immigrant visa being issued by immigration based upon retirement. The office is incorrectly stating  that the 90 day entry from it can only be extended for retirement not one based upon marriage.

I think the office is just trying to push him to apply for an extension based upon retirement instead of marriage.

[Peterw42]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Official reason  was not that …. BUT read …..I.O. talk to the wife about agents ….. you can not read in-between " virtual " lines …?

Yes, even the OP is speculating.

Maybe the OP can answer the question as to whether the specific reason for his refusal was because he used an agent previous.

[david555]

8 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Yes, even the OP is speculating.

Maybe the OP can answer the question as to whether the specific reason for his refusal was because he used an agent previous.

The official reason is a mentioned officially  ….they are not crazy to put the "assumed" one on paper ..

Edited August 3, 2019 by david555

[dayo202]

10 hours ago, lemonjelly said:

So you’re trying to get an extension based on marriage to a visa based on retirement?

sounds flakey.

that's correct