Trump dangles very big trade deal in front of Brexit Britain

[stephenterry]

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well we have to see wont we but I believe the UK and US have always had a good relationship, much better than we have ever had with the EU in my opinion.

 

I am not a fan of Trump as he certainly lacks class but trade deals with the UK benefit both countries.

No they don't, mainly because the US processed products, full of sugar chemicals, hormones and pesticides that are banned by the EU and UK, are toxic. 

 

About time you read up about the SAD, (standard American diet). And you want these imposed upon the UK whose health problems are nearly as bad. Get real, man. And stop living in the past where animals were bred for human consumption in pasteurised fields - it don't happen nowadays.

[Thingamabob]

7 hours ago, evadgib said:

Noted ????

Tusk, that is. An out and out no good.

[Pique Dard]

trump, a world's leader! i just wonder

[sherwood]

Someone please put an end to this nutcase, you knoe who I mean.

[samran]

7 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Waiting for all the Europhiles who will no doubt ridicule and potential trade deal with the US/UK. I am sure the usual obscenities of Trump and Johnson will come.

 

It just shows how desperate they are and jealous of the UK being successful outside of the EU.

yep, giving up a trade deal with 500m people which gives you unfettered access, and in return going for a 3rd rate trade deal with 311m people, which will take at least 5 years to negotiate, that is assuming congress gives fast track approval, which it wont. 

 

Yeah, a great deal....

[damascase]

Ahhhhh, Trump...........

[joecoolfrog]

8 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Waiting for all the Europhiles who will no doubt ridicule and potential trade deal with the US/UK. I am sure the usual obscenities of Trump and Johnson will come.

 

It just shows how desperate they are and jealous of the UK being successful outside of the EU.

Yes because what is there to ridicule , a promise from a habitual liar who boasts that he always puts the USA first. What could possibly go wrong do you think ?

[flossie35]

8 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Waiting for all the Europhiles who will no doubt ridicule and potential trade deal with the US/UK. I am sure the usual obscenities of Trump and Johnson will come.

 

It just shows how desperate they are and jealous of the UK being successful outside of the EU.

The chances of the UK being successful outside the EU, especially  in the case of a no-deal exit, appear from the evidence to be negligible.

The UK does more trade with the EU than with US so it is hard to see what possible advantage there could be in dumping the EU and embracing Trump.

The US is likely to demand all sorts of undesirable conditions for a trade agreement, which the UK will be too weak to resist (where have I heard "we hold all the cards" before?). Not just chlorine chicken and rats' hairs in the food, but exorbitant not to say obscene prices for pharmaceuticals, grasping insurance companies let in on the NHS, weaker labour laws etc.

And without the Irish backstop Congress won't pass it anyway.

Can't see much for Laughing Gravy to laugh about here.

 

[Srikcir]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

"We're going to do a very big trade deal - bigger than we've ever had with the UK,"

Indubitably.

As the UK has been part of the EU for the last 46 years as part of its trade market, any trade deal the UK could have done with the U.S. prior to 1973 would certainly be exceeded by its 2019 post-Brexit. 

So that means that any deal by Trump offered now could greatly favor the U.S. over the UK and still be bigger than the U.S. has ever had with the UK!

[Nigel Garvie]

5 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

So many things to talk about here.

Firstly, that is going to have to be one helluva trade deal if it's going to make up for the loss in trade with the EU. Currently the UK has over 4 times the amount of trade with the EU than it does with the US. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_United_Kingdom)

Secondly, lets look at the logistics. One of the trading partners is on the UK's doorstep, another is across the Atlantic ocean. Just the extra export/import costs through increased fuel costs will make products more expensive to the man on the street, if the US becomes the 'savior' trading partner.

Thirdly, since trade discussions haven't even started (they can't until the UK leaves the EU), a widely optimistic time of one year has been tabled, with even BJ admitting that 'would be tight' (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49462613). Many are predicting it could take anything up to 5 years.

Fourth. As has been previously mentioned on this thread, if anything is done to curtail the Good Friday agreement, it's not getting past Congress (the real power behind the throne on trade).

Fifth. Do you really think Mr. Art of The Deal isn't going to take advantage of the UK's weakness at the negotiating table, knowing full well that BJ is desperate for a deal? I know I would.  

And last but not least, isn't any of you curious as to why Trump is so anxious for the UK to leave the EU and basically put a really large spanner in the EU works? You would have thought it would make life easier for the US if the UK remained so what is he getting out of it?

You know who else is REALLY keen on Brexit? I'll give you a clue. He's a short, balding guy, prone to the odd invasion and basically running a mafia government. Hobbies and interests are bear wrestling, shirtless horse-back riding and poisoning people that p*ss him off. Oh and he's hanging out in Moscow.  

  

Excellent, saved me posting similar sentiments. Why is Trump so keen to get Russia back in the G7?. Where did Aaron Banks get his £8million from. Putin has been collecting poodles, first Trump, then the Brexiteers. The other European leaders have the brains to realize just what a threat Putin is, and by extension Trump, welcome BJ the new recruit to the rat pack. Selling England by the pound - good album though.

Edited August 26, 2019 by Nigel Garvie

[NanLaew]

8 hours ago, jonwilly said:

I was given to understand that no matter what the President of the USA promises Trade deals are a matter for Congress and Nancy Pelosi has made it clear that anything that spoils the Good Friday Agreement on Ireland will not pass.

 

john 

Isn't that foreign interference?

 

The Good Friday Agreement was chaired by US senator George Mitchell but Pelosi, the Democrats or any American doesn't have copyright or patents on it.

Edited August 26, 2019 by NanLaew

[Nigel Garvie]

3 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

yes, but she was sexy as hell when dancing to ABBA..

Please give me details of the recreational chemicals required to produce this effect. ????

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, Basil B said:

I seem to recall that when we needed their help they sat on the wall until the Japs bombed Pearl Harbour and the Germans sank the Lusitania... 

A brexiteer who knows the history of his own country... you forgot how much support in the form of weapons + ammunition + gasoline the USA already gave, till even escort till 2/3 over the Atlantic… far before the  Lend-Lease Act  of 11 March 1941. The USA called that "being neutral". 

And the Lusitania.. a British ammunition ship covered as passenger vessel. That's why it sunk so quick… after a gigantic explosion...

The USA called that "being neutral". 

[joecoolfrog]

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Excellent, saved me posting similar sentiments. Why is Trump so keen to get Russia back in the G7?. Where did Aaron Banks get his £8million from. Putin has been collecting poodles, first Trump, then the Brexiteers. The other European leaders have the brains to realize just what a threat Putin is, and by extension Trump, welcome BJ the new recruit to the rat pack. Selling England by the pound - good album though.

The Genesis of a fine post.

[zydeco]

You guys need to look at Trump just over the past 72 hours. At this stage, there is only one question about him. Is he:

1. a pathological liar

2. a compulsive liar

3. a narcissistic liar

4. a sociopathic liar

5. a pathetic liar

6. a habitual liar???

I do know that you cannot trust this man to tell you the truth about whether it daylight or nightime outside.

 

[bannork]

28 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

The Genesis of a fine post.

Games without frontiers.

[joecoolfrog]

6 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

If you believe Trump to be stupid why aren't you a billionaire and POTUS? 

Well im not a US citizen so POTUS would be difficult. As for becoming a billionaire , I reckon just depositing an inherited $200 million in the Nationwide 40 years ago would have sorted that comfortably

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, puipuitom said:

A brexiteer who knows the history of his own country... you forgot how much support in the form of weapons + ammunition + gasoline the USA already gave, till even escort till 2/3 over the Atlantic… far before the  Lend-Lease Act  of 11 March 1941. The USA called that "being neutral". 

And the Lusitania.. a British ammunition ship covered as passenger vessel. That's why it sunk so quick… after a gigantic explosion...

The USA called that "being neutral". 

As a so called friend the certainly screwed us... took until 2006 to payback the infliaghted loans...

 

Wonder how Germany's and Japan's retributions payments compare?

[Basil B]

7 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

yes, but she was sexy as hell when dancing to ABBA..

"Sexy as Hell"??? You really need to visit "Specsavers"???? 

[samran]

4 hours ago, flossie35 said:

The chances of the UK being successful outside the EU, especially  in the case of a no-deal exit, appear from the evidence to be negligible.

The UK does more trade with the EU than with US so it is hard to see what possible advantage there could be in dumping the EU and embracing Trump.

The US is likely to demand all sorts of undesirable conditions for a trade agreement, which the UK will be too weak to resist (where have I heard "we hold all the cards" before?). Not just chlorine chicken and rats' hairs in the food, but exorbitant not to say obscene prices for pharmaceuticals, grasping insurance companies let in on the NHS, weaker labour laws etc.

And without the Irish backstop Congress won't pass it anyway.

Can't see much for Laughing Gravy to laugh about here.

 

But with the shackles of the EU overlords in Brussels take away, the british will be able to enjoy bendy bananas once again.

 

And because they will be Trump FTA bananas, they will be the bendiest of all bananas. So, so beautiful and bendy. The bendiest in the history of mankind. 

 

Which is just as well given the new overlords from US big pharma will be undermining the NHS piece by piece undermining the centralised negotiating power which keeps them honest. But hey, blue passports and bendy bananas. So totally worth it...

[mania]

15 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Secondly, lets look at the logistics. One of the trading partners is on the UK's doorstep, another is across the Atlantic ocean. Just the extra export/import costs through increased fuel costs will make products more expensive to the man on the street,

I know that sounds logical but...........

 

I am a sport/hobby nut & spend much $$$  on my hobby.

I am in the US & my main 3 vendors I buy from are all in the UK.

 

I do not know how they do it but their prices are so much better that with delivery ( which many times is free)

are still better than what I can buy online here including places like Amazon etc Even if they use Royal Mail>USPS or DHL/UPS/FedEx etc.

 

So if they can ship my things (which are not tiny) either free or very cheaply as they do then I have to wonder if what you say is factual

Lastly remember I am buying small quantities of items for personal use. If anything the cost of shipping should be much less in bulk

 

[Laughing Gravy]

13 hours ago, Basil B said:

I seem to recall that when we needed their help they sat on the wall until the Japs bombed Pearl Harbour and the Germans sank the Lusitania... 

I thought it was brexiteers who constantly go on about the 2nd world war. You have smashed that myth.

[Laughing Gravy]

12 hours ago, samran said:

yep, giving up a trade deal with 500m people which gives you unfettered access, and in return going for a 3rd rate trade deal with 311m people, which will take at least 5 years to negotiate, that is assuming congress gives fast track approval, which it wont. 

 

Yeah, a great deal....

I sense a bit of anger or is it jealousy.

[jastheace]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I sense a bit of anger or is it jealousy.

it is possible to have both..... usually mutual 

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, jastheace said:

it is possible to have both..... usually mutual 

It is possible to have both but this time definitely not mutual at all from my end.????

[Morty T]

22 hours ago, Tug said:

Don’t trust Donald would be my advice 

EU is more worried. With the UK gone, Europe loses their only military option against European aggressors. NATO combat troops rest solely with the Brits and Americans.

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Morty T said:

EU is more worried. With the UK gone, Europe loses their only military option against European aggressors. NATO combat troops rest solely with the Brits and Americans.

Nonsense.

[Laughing Gravy]

13 hours ago, flossie35 said:

he chances of the UK being successful outside the EU, especially  in the case of a no-deal exit, appear from the evidence to be negligible.

Can you show us this evidence.

 

13 hours ago, flossie35 said:

The US is likely to demand all sorts of undesirable conditions for a trade agreement, which the UK will be too weak to resist (where have I heard "we hold all the cards" before?).

Once again this is your speculation.

 

13 hours ago, flossie35 said:

Not just chlorine chicken and rats' hairs in the food, but exorbitant not to say obscene prices for pharmaceuticals, grasping insurance companies let in on the NHS, weaker labour laws etc.

Oh dear we are scaremongering. you have definitely bought into the project fear. so how do the US cope with such poor food system.

 

The world is much bigger than the EU, so the potential opportunity is greater. Regardless we will have to see won;'t we instead of just assuming what will happen after the UK leaves the EU.

[stephenterry]

1. IMO, Uk would be successful outside the EU with future trade deals - eventually. IMO, it is just not feasible to agree a new deal with the US - or EU countries - in the immediate future. at best, one year to reach agreement then possibly two more years to implement it. (As is the US current new deal timetable). 

 

2. It is factual that in relation to new deals the US would seek to impose trading conditions upon the UK, which would be beneficial to them, but not necessarily the UK. There are several negatives to overcome including a loosening of UK environmental conditions. Also, bearing in mind ANY trade deal conducted by the UK government is not required to be sanctioned by parliament - i.e. no democracy oversight or approval. 

 

3. The US is dominated by mega companies lobbying the agencies responsible for health, safety, environmental, and food production. It is no wonder that the agencies are fighting a dollar tide in imposing and maintaining standards, but losing out. 

 

4. As for 'large' countries outside the EU and US - who are currently our largest trade markets by a huge margin - only China has a moderate trade deal in place. The rest are sprats in comparison.

[Basil B]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I thought it was brexiteers who constantly go on about the 2nd world war. You have smashed that myth.

                                                   ^^^ Deflection ^^^

 

My argument was how America is always ready to exploit us (Brits), no more so at this time with the Orange Buffoon at the helm...

 

There is very little I would agree with Corbyn on but seems today he has got it right...

 

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A no-deal Brexit would leave the UK at the mercy of US President Donald Trump, Jeremy Corbyn has claimed.

Writing in the Independent, the Labour party leader accused the PM of "cosying up to Trump" because "no-deal Brexit is really a Trump-deal Brexit".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49476705