Farangs and their future standing in LOS

[swissie]

This is not a rant against Thai Authorities, trying to get rid of western "undesirables". What is disturbing is the fact that Thai Authorities seem to make little effort to differentiate between western "undesirables" and long term expats that have done nothing else but to conrtibute to Thailand (financially and otherwise) for decades. An increasing number of long-term Farangs feel "under seige" and increasingly under "surveillance".

I find that this would be a good time where all the Farangs of different nationalyties realise that they all sit in the same boat. Forming a tight knit community, instead of waging war against each other on internet forums.

There is hardly any country where there is not a tightly knit Chinese community. Probably the reason why those "Chinese communities" are left alone by "the Governement". = Too influentual, too well organized. A unified "Farang Community" in Thailand could achieve the same.
How?
- Although recommendable, Petitions by Farangs (adressing the Thai-Governement) to remove the TM 30 nonsense will have no effect.

 

Only remedy: A combined effort by ALL western Embassies, indicating to Thai Authorites that Farangs having lived in Thailand for 20 years are not "Bad Boys" that have to be harrassed unduly. Further indicating to Thai Authorities that a person originating from Nigeria selling something on a street corner in BKK is not the same "immigrant" as the one that has supported his Thai-Family somewhere in the Isaan for the last 20 years.
- Problem: Employees of Western Embassies are merely administrators. Without direct instructions from their "foreighn-office" they are powerless when it comes to protect the interests and well being of Farang Expats.
To be sure: As long as Farang-Expats do not realize that they are all sitting in the same boat, things are likely to detoriate for "Long Term" Farangs overall in Thailand.

Something that will not happen to the many Chinese Expat Communities all over the world.
Time to learn from them? Getting off the the high (Farang) horse and fight as a foot soldier? Insisting that "we are somebody" and we are contributig more to Thailand than we will ever be able to extract from Thailand. (Emotionally as well as financially).

Realising that most LT-Farangs live here on a 1 year leash plus 90 day reporting. Fine, one can live with that. But something like a TM30 nonsense belongs in the garbage bin of history. (Reminding me of the former Soviet-Union. I am not aware of any civilised country, needing to know where every Expat/Tourist is located at any given time!) Hardly can I isolate a Tourist-Farang, sipping his Beer-Chang or an Expat enjoying an Isaan sunset as a threat to national security. The ones that could possibly be considered a threat to national security live in the south of Thailand and are Thai-Nationals and not Farangs.

I remain convinced: A forceful diplomatic intervention by "western-powers" (as a concerted effort) would do away with the TM30 nonsense in no time at all.

 

Discuss!

 

Or better yet: Bombard your embassy with e-mails, indicating that you don't like the TM30 Hokus Pokus. OR:
- Have a British tabloid newspaper produce a first page Headline: "British Tourist and Expats under constant surveillance by the Thai-Govenment 24/7".

Conclusion: If resident Farangs in Thailand can not "organise" in a similar way the "Chinese Communities" have (all over the world), the future of Long-Term Farangs in Thailand doesen't look overly bright.
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Long thread. Sorry. But if I started a thread involving my Ex-Wife and my Ex-Family in Thailand the thread would be massively longer. So don't complain.
Cheers.

 

[aqua4]

never mind
 

Edited August 29, 2019 by aqua4

[luckyluke]

I got a letter from my embassy (Belgium) that the Consul will contact the Thai authorities in charge of Immigration, and "complain" about the TM30. 

Now I don't expect that Thailand will be highly impressed by this. 

I even suppose some/most will have to check what/where Belgium is. 

 

 

[rumak]

32 minutes ago, aqua4 said:

never mind
 

+1

[Joe Mcseismic]

Strewth! Not another one.......

[1FinickyOne]

40 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

some/most will have to check what/where Belgium is. 

you mean it is an actual place, not just a type of really good chocolate? 

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, kenk24 said:

really good chocolate

And good beer. 

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, aqua4 said:

never mind
 

+ another 1

[sirineou]

2 hours ago, swissie said:

There is hardly any country where there is not a tightly knit Chinese community. Probably the reason why those "Chinese communities" are left alone by "the Governement". = Too influentual, too well organized

 If indeed that's the case, the chinese would be united by a common ethnicity, language  and culture, where  "farang" is a generic term covering many ethnicities ,languages and  cultures.

Having said that I agree the a united front might elicit more respect by the authorities, but I would not hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

[RJRS1301]

United Farang Community, would be like trying to herd cats as one language group fight for supremacy over the others, much let alone come to a consensus on issues of concern,and presenting matters to government which you have no say in and has no responsibility towards you.

 

Edited August 29, 2019 by RJRS1301

[sunnyboy2018]

If the chinese organise it is very behind the scenes...at least in the UK. There are hundreds of active muslim politicians and activists but no Chinese at all. In Thailand the light skinned Chinese Thais run all the major organs of government and most big businesses.  The Thais do the sweat work,  especially the the dark skinned Thais.

[smutcakes]

Swissie you seem absolutely obsessed by topics regarding farang staying in Thailand, visas and the alike.

Are you running into visa/financial troubles yourself and seeking solace among like minded folk?

[villagefarang]

I have found keeping my head down and maneuvering on my own has worked well over the last 40+ years so I am not about to change.  Sorry for not being a team player but I am not terribly fond of the team.????

[Joe Mcseismic]

1 minute ago, villagefarang said:

I have found keeping my head down and maneuvering on my own has worked well over the last 40+ years so I am not about to change.  Sorry for not being a team player but I am not terribly fond of the team.????

+1.

[OneMoreFarang]

Is there any statistic what else the guys who talk and write about TM30 do in their life?

Do they have a life?

 

What would you do if TM30 would not exist anymore? Complain about something else?

Or would you just be happy, have a beer and enjoy life?

If you think you would be happy without TM30 I suggest don't think about it, have a beer and enjoy life!

 

[Yinn]

7 hours ago, swissie said:

long term expats that have done nothing else but to conrtibute to Thailand (financially and otherwise) for decades

What contributes have you done?

 

7 hours ago, swissie said:

Nigeria selling something on a street corner in BKK is not the same "immigrant" as the one that has supported his Thai-Family somewhere in the Isaan for the last 20 years.

You don’t like black people? They not get easy visa like you already.

 

And

 

if you say Issan, the problem is that government people think you have marry the sex worker.

Because so many farang sex tourist come and marry the sex worker, most are from Issan.

 

So you think high up Thai official will respect this people and change the rule? No, they think is low class, so will not change the rule. 

 

(I not say ALL farang marry with Issan sex worker. But can not deny is very common)

 

7 hours ago, swissie said:

Farangs having lived in Thailand for 20 years are not "Bad Boys"

Some are. Read about farang with knife in pattaya, steal from supermarket, rape the kids, kill the wife, counterfeiting, drug deal etc etc. 

Have a lot of Bad Boys.

And Good Boys don’t marry sex workers.

 

Most farang Good, Some is bad. Same every country. Have good and bad.

 

7 hours ago, swissie said:

But if I started a thread involving my Ex-Wife and my Ex-Family in Thailand the thread would be massively longe

Where they from? Issan again? Where did you meet? In Issan or....?

 

 

7 hours ago, swissie said:

remain convinced: A forceful diplomatic intervention by "western-powers" (as a concerted effort) would do away with the TM30 nonsense in no time at all.

 

Discuss!

 

Or better yet: Bombard your embassy with e-mails, indicating that you don't like the TM30 Hokus Pokus. OR:
- Have a British tabloid newspaper produce a first page Headline: "British Tourist and Expats under constant surveillance by the Thai-Govenment 24/7".

Villagefarang the smart guy. Have a good life, many year in Thailand. No problem. If you want to make trouble in Thailand you will lose.

[Momofarang]

6 hours ago, luckyluke said:

I got a letter from my embassy (Belgium) that the Consul will contact the Thai authorities in charge of Immigration, and "complain" about the TM30. 

Now I don't expect that Thailand will be highly impressed by this. 

I even suppose some/most will have to check what/where Belgium is. 

 

 

Nah everyone on the planet knows that Eddy Merckx was a Belgian.

 

And Kudos to the Belgian Embassy, they are doing what they are meant to do, no more, no less. Every such complaint should be seen as a subsequent action with the media.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, swissie said:

- Problem: Employees of Western Embassies are merely administrators. Without direct instructions from their "foreighn-office" they are powerless when it comes to protect the interests and well being of Farang Expats.

Sorry to have to break the news to you, but embassies are not there to support a few individuals that have decided to live elsewhere. They are there for things like trade.

Don't invest in hoping that embassies will assist.

8 hours ago, swissie said:

An increasing number of long-term Farangs feel "under seige" and increasingly under "surveillance".

An increasing number of westerners also believe in human caused climate change- it doesn't make it true.

8 hours ago, swissie said:

Forming a tight knit community, instead of waging war against each other on internet forums.

Sorry again, but this is a dream you are having, isn't it? One of the things I enjoyed about Thailand was that I didn't have to associate with westerners, many of which have become stark raving PC loonies.

8 hours ago, swissie said:

What is disturbing is the fact that Thai Authorities seem to make little effort to differentiate between western "undesirables" and long term expats that have done nothing else but to conrtibute to Thailand (financially and otherwise) for decades

All farangs look the same to Thais! Who would differentiate between us and on what basis?

I supported many Thai ladies for decades, so should I be considered a fine upstanding farang contributing to the fabric of Thailand, or just a monger of no consequence? I also contributed large to my Thai wife and her family, but how would it be evaluated as to how much I contributed compared to a farang husband that spent his days drinking and his nights fornicating with prostitutes?

 

Sadly, IMO the Thai authorities just don't care about farangs any more. They are minting it large from the Chinese and Indians. The only Thais that care about farangs are those living off them. Don't forget who runs Thailand.

 

We should not make the mistake of thinking that we are important just because we live in LOS.

Remember, remember, everything ends, one way or another. Thailand was good for many farangs, but perhaps those days have passed. 

I believe that Burma has nice beaches and friendly locals. Perhaps in the future the prospects are better there.

[Mavideol]

you kept me going until the 1st paragraph.....

[fforest1]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sorry to have to break the news to you, but embassies are not there to support a few individuals that have decided to live elsewhere. They are there for things like trade.

Don't invest in hoping that embassies will assist.

An increasing number of westerners also believe in human caused climate change- it doesn't make it true.

Sorry again, but this is a dream you are having, isn't it? One of the things I enjoyed about Thailand was that I didn't have to associate with westerners, many of which have become stark raving PC loonies.

All farangs look the same to Thais! Who would differentiate between us and on what basis?

I supported many Thai ladies for decades, so should I be considered a fine upstanding farang contributing to the fabric of Thailand, or just a monger of no consequence? I also contributed large to my Thai wife and her family, but how would it be evaluated as to how much I contributed compared to a farang husband that spent his days drinking and his nights fornicating with prostitutes?

 

Sadly, IMO the Thai authorities just don't care about farangs any more. They are minting it large from the Chinese and Indians. The only Thais that care about farangs are those living off them. Don't forget who runs Thailand.

 

We should not make the mistake of thinking that we are important just because we live in LOS.

Remember, remember, everything ends, one way or another. Thailand was good for many farangs, but perhaps those days have passed. 

I believe that Burma has nice beaches and friendly locals. Perhaps in the future the prospects are better there.

With out me and my buddies drinking happy hour beers on Soi Bukow every day the Thai economy would collapse...

[1FinickyOne]

6 hours ago, luckyluke said:

And good beer. 

So, what are Brussel Sprouts? 

[ivor bigun]

To be honest i didnt feel under threat until i read all the posts on Thai Visa, tm30? Well ive only stayed in a hotel once in 14 yrs we stay with familly,they are not going to report us ,we own our own house so no landlord to worry about.
The only thing i dont like is keeping money in the bank,so changing to marriage ,pain in the bum ,but hey ho.

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[Isaanbiker]

  It's really getting on my nerves to read about the TM 30 all the time. Discuss, please. 

[Isaanbiker]

1 hour ago, fforest1 said:

With out me and my buddies drinking happy hour beers on Soi Bukow every day the Thai economy would collapse...

And various ladyboys wouldn't have an income? 

[skippybangkok]

Getting PR is easy - if qualify


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[ThomasThBKK]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

What contributes have you done?

 

I am not op, but i've helped to build a preschool/kindergarten in bangkok,

Also we have shops that buy locally in Udon and give back profits to the villages there.

I've invested in a bunch of Thai startups that pay good amounts of money in taxes and have good amounts of thai employes.

 

 

What have YOU done for Thailand?

[ThomasThBKK]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

You don’t like black people? They not get easy visa like you already.

 

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

Where they from? Issan again? Where did you meet? In Issan or....?

 

 

Lol hypocrite, you think everyone in Issan is a sex worker but if he complains about nigerian DRUG DEALERS you <deleted> on his leg?

[luckyluke]

1 hour ago, kenk24 said:

, what are Brussel Sprouts? 

"Spruiten", in my language (Flemish).

 

And in English :

"Brussels sprouts are named after the fact that they were cultivated in Belgium in the 16th century. Knowing this little fact will also help you remember that it's Brussels sprouts, not Brussel sprouts, and it's Brussels sprout even if you're only referring to one sprout."

 

????

[kellersphuket]

I'm game.

 

United Foreigners Against Bureaucracy (UFAB)

 

Let me know when you plan to hold your first meet.

[Mike Teavee]

2 hours ago, Momofarang said:

Nah everyone on the planet knows that Eddy Merckx was a Belgian.

 

And Kudos to the Belgian Embassy, they are doing what they are meant to do, no more, no less. Every such complaint should be seen as a subsequent action with the media.

Sorry I had to Google who Eddy Merckx was (I'm obviously not a Cycling fan).

 

Now if you'd have said Hercule Poirot then we all know he's from Belgium (well he would be if he wasn't a fictional character) which is a part of France isn't it??? [Joke, in keeping with the fact HP is always asked if he's French ????].

 

Joking aside, well done to the Belgian Embassy for taking this forward on behalf of their citizens, I won't hold my breath waiting for the UK one to do the same. 

 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Mike Teavee