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[Loiner]

So you really think this needs no mutual preparations.

Three years have passed. Do you really think nothing has been discussed already?

[beautifulthailand99]

2 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

...and still the wet dream goes on.......

your wet dream is the old man with the perpetual stain on his trousers and  an unzipped fly oblivious to the disgrace he has become as he shuffles around the town and rants incoherently at passers by. 

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Three years have passed. Do you really think nothing has been discussed already?

You really have no idea about the consequences of a no deal.

[dick dasterdly]

39 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

Not pointless at all. Yes the Withdrawal Agreement is closed and will not be open again to negotiations, but it's not the only important document! The most important is probably the one who will describe the future relations between UK and EU, and nearly all has to be done for it.

 

EU already said that she was open to discussion for this part, and we could imagine one of first articles being: "The backstop defined in the WA will be in application only during the transition period, with a maximum duration of 18 months(?) 2 years (?)…"

That could solve the problem of "UK dependent of EU rules forever". 

Please expand, as the backstop is part of the WAG.

 

But yes, it looks as if the EU has already started back-tracking on this point - otherwise why on earth would they agree to twice weekly talks with the UK?

 

Presumably the EU is about to tell the media that there will be no twice weekly talks - as they have made it very clear that they have no intention of changing anything in the WAG?

[OneMoreFarang]

14 minutes ago, <deleted> dasterdly said:

Presumably the EU is about to tell the media that there will be no twice weekly talks - as they have made it very clear that they have no intention of changing anything in the WAG?

Maybe see the EU like an office at the local psychologist. He doesn't really expect that his patients change radically from one day to the next. But in theory it could happen so he leaves the office open. "Come in, have a chat, how are you feeling today?"

[Mavideol]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

"Discussions so far have shown that the two sides remain some distance apart on key issues

this says it all.... but he keeps mumbling he has a plan B

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, david555 said:

I think he go present May's project with his signature under it an different layout print for the backstop and make it default option by his closure of parliament …...because it seems he can get away with any lie or illusion to his voters ….

so you mean (like Thailand) same same but different 555

[david555]

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

so you mean (like Thailand) same same but different 555

And yes also same same as that now elected d....t..r  lol

Edited August 30, 2019 by david555

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

No, I don't fail to understand, you feel to understand how negotiating works. The negotiators negotiate, and when in agreement go back to the homefront to get signatures. If one party rejects, no problem, all they have to do is come up with a to the other party acceptable plan.

 

All fine here, except that 'coming up with an acceptable plan' has been lacking.

 

Your aversion to May is distorting the facts.

correct, the UK should have come up with something to the other side offer but instead they chose to start the blaming game, the negative rhetoric, negative criticism of the EU and anybody not agreeing with them whereby it would have much much easier to just concentrate their energy on an alternative proposal that was and still is mention by the EU negotiators, this shows their priorities and the lack of interest in solving the impasse, always easier to blame the other side for our own mistakes/indecision 

[OneMoreFarang]

14 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

correct, the UK should have come up with something to the other side offer but instead they chose to start the blaming game, the negative rhetoric, negative criticism of the EU and anybody not agreeing with them whereby it would have much much easier to just concentrate their energy on an alternative proposal that was and still is mention by the EU negotiators, this shows their priorities and the lack of interest in solving the impasse, always easier to blame the other side for our own mistakes/indecision 

I think Boris and all the others know that there is no bright future for the UK.

To be precise there is no bright future for them under any condition. No Deal is very bad. Leaving with a deal will be no success and it will upset many people in the UK for many often different reasons. And in case the UK stays in the EU some people will really be upset and business will still suffer because all the things which happened already and the not existing trust anymore.

So for the UK it's lose, lose or lose. Under no condition will they have a bright future anytime soon.

 

Now guess who they will blame for that? Probably Boris can publish the same articles again which he published over the last decade against the EU. Lots of Brits are used to blaming the EU for everything and it's just so much easier to do the same again instead of thinking if there could possibly be any other parties to blame.

[beautifulthailand99]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think Boris and all the others know that there is no bright future for the UK.

To be precise there is no bright future for them under any condition. No Deal is very bad. Leaving with a deal will be no success and it will upset many people in the UK for many often different reasons. And in case the UK stays in the EU some people will really be upset and business will still suffer because all the things which happened already and the not existing trust anymore.

So for the UK it's lose, lose or lose. Under no condition will they have a bright future anytime soon.

 

Now guess who they will blame for that? Probably Boris can publish the same articles again which he published over the last decade against the EU. Lots of Brits are used to blaming the EU for everything and it's just so much easier to do the same again instead of thinking if there could possibly be any other parties to blame.

Sadly those withf'all cheering this on the loudest will be the hardest hit. And those relying on a sterling exchange rate even more so. On my three month sojourn in December we will be looking at distressed sales of one bedroom condos in our block to upgrade the studio we now have. We have a Thai buyer friend lined up for that one. Luckily I transfered 4 mill at 42 so from a personal view bring it on. Going to be some good buying opportunities with those holding baht - once there's blood in the water time for sharks to feed. 

[Loiner]

You really have no idea about the consequences of a no deal.

Freedom. Sovereignty. Control.

Nothing to worry about, unless you will miss the dominatrix.

[beautifulthailand99]

Time for everybody to get behind a tweaked WA Mark 2.0 I fear - remaining is not an option , Cummings has played a blinder and remainers have a lot of stuff in that document which we support. After all it was drafted by May/Robbins arch remainers and BoJo just wants a strategic , last minute rabbit out of the hat win from parliament that eluded May. Then we can move on and work in the longer run for Brejoin and Johnson and his mates can start beating the hell out of the working class - because they can. And those of us with some financial skin in the game get to preserve our assets. And the pound has a good rise which benefits all here. 

 

Have a look in it - Farage thinks it's a total sell out as do some of the nut jobs here - BoJo has voted for it already as has JRM and it looks like the end game's best result that will be on the table. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_withdrawal_agreement

Edited August 30, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[beautifulthailand99]

Or hopefully in the ensuing election the Brexit Party / Conservatives tear chunks out of each other with the Farage battle cry of traitors - we hopefully get a majority of Remainers who can tweak the transition period to our ends and kick the tories out. 

Edited August 30, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[Jip99]

10 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Or hopefully in the ensuing election the Brexit Party / Conservatives tear chunks out of each other with the Farage battle cry of traitors - we hopefully get a majority of Remainers who can tweak the transition period to our ends and kick the tories out. 

 

 

Fanciful.

[Psimbo]

Twice a week- glad to see they are finally taking it seriously. ????

[samran]

I don’t see why Boris wants to be talking so regularly. He wanted out of the EU, then he gets to be treated as a non EU member. 

 

Trade talks can then take 10 years, after which the Italians and then the Greeks will hold out on something, and then when you finally sign a new arrangement you get 3/5ths of sweet f.all. 

 

Isn’t this what you voted for? 

Edited August 30, 2019 by samran

[bert bloggs]

14 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Or hopefully in the ensuing election the Brexit Party / Conservatives tear chunks out of each other with the Farage battle cry of traitors - we hopefully get a majority of Remainers who can tweak the transition period to our ends and kick the tories out. 

Ever heard the song "in dreams" well keep singing it .????

[stephenterry]

On 8/30/2019 at 10:56 AM, sungod said:

Completely agree, that's why the EU need to come up with a better plan, theirs has been rejected by the UK parliament 3 times, EU must recognise this or there is no way forward.

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Edited August 31, 2019 by stephenterry
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[stephenterry]

18 hours ago, Loiner said:

Freedom. Sovereignty. Control.

Nothing to worry about, unless you will miss the dominatrix.

As Steven said: You really have no idea about the consequences of a no deal. 

 

I'll make it easier.

Freedom - you can't feed families on that.

Sovereignty - the UK is a sovereign state

Control - the UK has all the laws it needs in place to protect voters on what matters most to the man on the street, come a GE. And it controls 98% of all its expenditure. 

[Loiner]

10 hours ago, stephenterry said:

As Steven said: You really have no idea about the consequences of a no deal. 

 

I'll make it easier.

Freedom - you can't feed families on that.

Sovereignty - the UK is a sovereign state

Control - the UK has all the laws it needs in place to protect voters on what matters most to the man on the street, come a GE. And it controls 98% of all its expenditure. 

We can have all those of our own, not EU federal versions of them for a vassal UK.
You'll really miss Madame le Whiplash won't you?