What options are left for British PM Johnson on Brexit?

[Bruntoid]

4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

A Johnson signature/promise is worth nothing as his Brexit 'pals'/ERG are quickly finding out. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7451247/Boris-Johnson-faces-Brexiteer-revolt-amid-climbdown-claims.html

 

There are growing signs today that Boris Johnson is ready to compromise on his Brexit demands after he admitted he faces a revolt from hardline Tory Eurosceptics.

The Prime Minister told Remainer rebels he is expecting 'spears in my back' from so-called 'Spartans' in his own party.

 

According to the Sun, Mr Johnson told Remainer rebels during talks that he would need their support on Brexit soon.

'The spears in my back won't be from you, they'll come from the Spartans,' he said. 

 

Boris Johnson has been softening his stance by the hour - he knows he is getting constantly outflanked and a no deal Brexit isn’t going to be happening. If at all. 

 

Only one one thing matters to Boris Johnson and that’s Boris Johnson - his need to be in the papers as PM for the next three years will far outrank anything connected to Brexit ! He clearly thought or was ‘advised’ to get up on that big Brexit horse and ride into town full of misplaced bravado and make a name for himself as the people’s hero. Only he’s been made to look a rank amateur with the negotiating skills of a ferret! The EU have walked all over him by not actually doing anything. 

 

Right now he he would give anything to announce that second referendum but needs to find a way to do it without looking even more a pillock. 

 

 

[Amma09]

2 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Boris Johnson has been softening his stance by the hour - he knows he is getting constantly outflanked and a no deal Brexit isn’t going to be happening. If at all. 

 

Only one one thing matters to Boris Johnson and that’s Boris Johnson - his need to be in the papers as PM for the next three years will far outrank anything connected to Brexit ! He clearly thought or was ‘advised’ to get up on that big Brexit horse and ride into town full of misplaced bravado and make a name for himself as the people’s hero. Only he’s been made to look a rank amateur with the negotiating skills of a ferret! The EU have walked all over him by not actually doing anything. 

 

Right now he he would give anything to announce that second referendum but needs to find a way to do it without looking even more a pillock. 

 

 

Alexander is a weasel, who can be redirected to any direction, people in power wish him to go. 

 

[Bruntoid]

4 hours ago, puipuitom said:

I ordered a beer... in my Dutch accent.

And what I got… a half warm ale… Why not a proper Heineken, cold and with a white foam layer on top ? I, as Dutch, ordered a BEER... not a lousy tasting ? ? drink ? ? 

Because an ale isn’t a lager ? 

 

Did you ask for a Heineken ? 

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

22 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Boris Johnson has been softening his stance by the hour - he knows he is getting constantly outflanked and a no deal Brexit isn’t going to be happening. If at all. 

 

Only one one thing matters to Boris Johnson and that’s Boris Johnson - his need to be in the papers as PM for the next three years will far outrank anything connected to Brexit ! He clearly thought or was ‘advised’ to get up on that big Brexit horse and ride into town full of misplaced bravado and make a name for himself as the people’s hero. Only he’s been made to look a rank amateur with the negotiating skills of a ferret! The EU have walked all over him by not actually doing anything. 

 

Right now he he would give anything to announce that second referendum but needs to find a way to do it without looking even more a pillock. 

 

 

Those that crowed about him just days ago have gone uncharacteristically silent -all they have is 3 1/2 year old sloganeering, tired memes and the looming Farage/Brexit Party elephant trap. No doubt Tommy Robinson will reverse his support soonest. ????????

[StreetCowboy]

23 minutes ago, billd766 said:

So why are they not representing their constituents. Many Remain MPs of all parties are not supporting their constituencies who voted to leave. My MP in Taunton Deane is one of them.

You should have voted for the Puppet party, instead of a party that would use its best endeavours for the benefit of the country, as they understood it.

[bartender100]

1 hour ago, Bruntoid said:

Haha 

 

1) It would be expedited so no chance of that 

 

2) Illegal 

 

3) Never going to happen - infact the smart money is on a longer extension in order to kick it firmly into the long grass. 

 

Finally ‘the people’ ??? You seriously still think the U.K. populace still wants leave ?? It was only 25% in 2016, much less now. The games up - someone needs to put the leavers out of their misery.

 

Second referendum (which no assured leaver would reject) and we can all move on. 

 

 

 

 

These people perhaps..... Latest Rescom poll

 

The EU has showed its true colours over Brexit, anyone would be mad to want to stay in if they did any kind of reseach

[Amma09]

2 minutes ago, bartender100 said:

 

 

 

 

These people perhaps..... Latest Rescom poll

 

The EU has showed its true colours over Brexit, anyone would be mad to want to stay in if they did any kind of reseach

Has it, or are you simply lying?

 

I think you are simply lying. 

[baboon]

23 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Boris Johnson has been softening his stance by the hour - he knows he is getting constantly outflanked and a no deal Brexit isn’t going to be happening. If at all. 

 

Only one one thing matters to Boris Johnson and that’s Boris Johnson - his need to be in the papers as PM for the next three years will far outrank anything connected to Brexit ! He clearly thought or was ‘advised’ to get up on that big Brexit horse and ride into town full of misplaced bravado and make a name for himself as the people’s hero. Only he’s been made to look a rank amateur with the negotiating skills of a ferret! The EU have walked all over him by not actually doing anything. 

 

Right now he he would give anything to announce that second referendum but needs to find a way to do it without looking even more a pillock. 

 

 

Indeed. Donald Trump is a one off. Seeking to ride on his coattails when you are an Eton Toryboy and try the same thing isn't going to work nearly as well.

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, Amma09 said:

Has it, or are you simply lying?

 

I think you are simply lying. 

 

6 minutes ago, bartender100 said:

 

 

 

 

These people perhaps..... Latest Rescom poll

 

The EU has showed its true colours over Brexit, anyone would be mad to want to stay in if they did any kind of reseach

There is no such company and no such poll FAKE NEWS 

 

But there is ComRes and here is their latest poll 

 

Base: All respondents likely to vote and expressing a voting intention (n=1,488)

Con	30%	-1
Lab	29%	+2
LD	17%	-3
Brex	13%	-
Green	4%	+1
SNP	3%	-
UKIP	1%	-
Other	2%	+1

 

(% in second column relate to ComRes/Britain Elects poll on 6^th September 2019)

 

[Amma09]

I think it's rather gracrious that the people, who are brave enough, no longer try to hide.

 

It's now perfectly OK to say NO TO BREXIT. It's now perfectly ok to say fruck the A50. As we want to stay within the EU. 

 

Brexit was a bad dream, which is now forgotten. 

[Amma09]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

There is no such company and no such poll FAKE NEWS 

 

But there is ComRes and here is their latest poll 

 

Base: All respondents likely to vote and expressing a voting intention (n=1,488)

Con	30%	-1
Lab	29%	+2
LD	17%	-3
Brex	13%	-
Green	4%	+1
SNP	3%	-
UKIP	1%	-
Other	2%	+1

 

(% in second column relate to ComRes/Britain Elects poll on 6^th September 2019)

 

Sorry, but you have already lost your old timer cause. it's now time for youger people to take over.

[baboon]

1 minute ago, Amma09 said:

I think it's rather gracrious that the people, who are brave enough, no longer try to hide.

 

It's now perfectly OK to say NO TO BREXIT. It's now perfectly ok to say fruck the A50. As we want to stay within the EU. 

 

Brexit was a bad dream, which is now forgotten. 

Blimey, your English skills have suddenly improved! Now why might that be...?

[Amma09]

1 minute ago, baboon said:

Blimey, your English skills have suddenly improved! Now why might that be...?

I don't know what you are talking about Baboon.

 

Perhaps you don't like my message?

[Slip]

47 minutes ago, billd766 said:

So why are they not representing their constituents. Many Remain MPs of all parties are not supporting their constituencies who voted to leave. My MP in Taunton Deane is one of them.

They are representing their constituents.  That is to say, the best interests of those constituents, regardless whether those voters voted for them or not, or believe them or not.  That is the job of an MP in the UK parliamentary system.  MPs are not delegates.

[englishoak]

If anyone thinks this is going to go away anytime soon they are mistaken. If the UK does leave remainers will just go into rejoin asap campaign mode. If they cancel Brexit and force the UK to remain the EU will end up with the mother of all headaches and a revist immediately a pro leave gov gets elected, it will not go away no matter what and thats just the UK. 

 

Best thing for the UK longterm imo is to leave ith no deal, take the economic pain coming, adapt and overhaul the domestic political and economic system and look longterm to the second half of the century.

 

That would include scrapping the Royal family, abolishing the Lords overhauling the political system, devaluing the £ and establishing more hi tech and home grown industry/infrastructure again, which will take time but needs to happen, the sooner the better for recovery and the pain will be economically significant but not longterm. In short the UK needs to reinvent itself and that cannot happen without the pain. 

 

The £ devalued would ignite the economy,facilitate growth and investment whilst short term downside would be a low exchange rate but  thats coming anyway imo its better done fast than a slow motion demise. Rather a bad exchange rate for a few years and recovery than a continuing demise over the next decade or more managed by the longterm failing EU

 

globalist business vs national governance, the resulting social conditioning is the battle of this century and the globalists have had the upper hand until very recently. Interesting times

[david555]

17 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

If you want to split hairs im actually English, most realise it also means British. Im sorry you dont want to hear an opinion you dont like, when youve been here long enough youll get used to hearing things you dont like so just get used to it lad ???? 

 

Johnson could well throw N Ireland under the bus, the DUP are no longer important  and the EU already offered to go for that.. many  would love a unified Ireland and most in the EU and rest of the UK would agree Ireland should be reunited, A deal encouraging that possibility would be an option and I think popular enough, economically it would also be a good move for the UK and for social stability.   

Right out of nowhere you came with the most sensible solution ….congratulations ????…..beware the hardcore leave lynch mob camp could be resembling now …. 5555 lol 

[joecoolfrog]

2 hours ago, bartender100 said:

 

 

 

 

These people perhaps..... Latest Rescom poll

 

The EU has showed its true colours over Brexit, anyone would be mad to want to stay in if they did any kind of reseach

That graphic makes no sense , link to the poll please.

[Scott]

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[MartinKal]

6 hours ago, englishoak said:

If anyone thinks this is going to go away anytime soon they are mistaken. If the UK does leave remainers will just go into rejoin asap campaign mode. If they cancel Brexit and force the UK to remain the EU will end up with the mother of all headaches and a revist immediately a pro leave gov gets elected, it will not go away no matter what and thats just the UK. 

 

Best thing for the UK longterm imo is to leave ith no deal, take the economic pain coming, adapt and overhaul the domestic political and economic system and look longterm to the second half of the century.

 

That would include scrapping the Royal family, abolishing the Lords overhauling the political system, devaluing the £ and establishing more hi tech and home grown industry/infrastructure again, which will take time but needs to happen, the sooner the better for recovery and the pain will be economically significant but not longterm. In short the UK needs to reinvent itself and that cannot happen without the pain. 

 

The £ devalued would ignite the economy,facilitate growth and investment whilst short term downside would be a low exchange rate but  thats coming anyway imo its better done fast than a slow motion demise. Rather a bad exchange rate for a few years and recovery than a continuing demise over the next decade or more managed by the longterm failing EU

 

globalist business vs national governance, the resulting social conditioning is the battle of this century and the globalists have had the upper hand until very recently. Interesting times

Excellent piece of analysis, Englishoak. My original preference was Remain and Reform - get support within the EU for a nationalist wedge to work through dismantling the federal philosophy. I do agree that the only viable option since "surrender" agreement was repeatedly ditched is a clean break. But there are many, particularly those born into the globalist genetation, who do not care for a national identity and who question the existence of a single national culture, and who in consequence just want a quiet life as a non-ideological consumer and protector of the planet.

 

This later group of quiet Remainers would not miss the cut and thrust of Westminster politics and would happily live under one-party rule from Brussels.

[billd766]

14 hours ago, Slip said:

They are representing their constituents.  That is to say, the best interests of those constituents, regardless whether those voters voted for them or not, or believe them or not.  That is the job of an MP in the UK parliamentary system.  MPs are not delegates.

Just keep believing it until the next election and see who survives.

[Forethat]

14 hours ago, Slip said:

They are representing their constituents.  That is to say, the best interests of those constituents, regardless whether those voters voted for them or not, or believe them or not.  That is the job of an MP in the UK parliamentary system.  MPs are not delegates.

Yup. In the remainer-politician's world, the "basket of deplorables" is overfilled...

[zorrow424]

The UK will never be taken back into the EU fold,that must be obvious,the mood is far too sour.  Determination to leave the EU is far more intense than remainders could possibly muster,never mind the imaginary numbers in fake polls,  if not delivered there definitely will be mass rioting,a tipping point hopefully will not be reached.

  Every trick in the book,every twist and turn deployed to avoid the inevitable,just prolongs the agony .

 

 It was mass immigration that triggered the 2016 poll result,and is there and increasing today,that has to be addressed the 3 odd million migrants in UK need to

be investigated robustly,  a FoI request as to how many living in the UK are in receipt of welfare would be a positive step to enforce public opinion.  One obtained 6 to 7 years ago was quickly quashed,baroness Flather did the request,no trace of it now,even approaching her for comment in HoL  "They work for Us" website,draws a blank,create too much concern

[Forethat]

33 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

The UK will never be taken back into the EU fold,that must be obvious,the mood is far too sour.  Determination to leave the EU is far more intense than remainders could possibly muster,never mind the imaginary numbers in fake polls,  if not delivered there definitely will be mass rioting,a tipping point hopefully will not be reached.

  Every trick in the book,every twist and turn deployed to avoid the inevitable,just prolongs the agony .

 

 It was mass immigration that triggered the 2016 poll result,and is there and increasing today,that has to be addressed the 3 odd million migrants in UK need to

be investigated robustly,  a FoI request as to how many living in the UK are in receipt of welfare would be a positive step to enforce public opinion.  One obtained 6 to 7 years ago was quickly quashed,baroness Flather did the request,no trace of it now,even approaching her for comment in HoL  "They work for Us" website,draws a blank,create too much concern

I don't think there will be mass rioting if they fail to deliver Brexit. I am, on the other hand, quite convinced there will be democratic recoil in the next GE.

 

I also believe there will be rioting and violence if they DO manage to deliver Brexit. In particular, if we leave on No Deal terms. Luckily, this will be isolated to a small number of extremists, fascists and anti-democrats in the larger cities. London, in particular. The exact same type of scenario could be witnessed when Hillary's supporters went berserk all over USA when democracy was allowed to speak.. 

[bannork]

All that money to be made if we leave with No Deal. Pass the sick bag, Alice.

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out-by-boris-johnsons-leave-backers/

 

[Bruntoid]

On 9/11/2019 at 9:58 PM, bartender100 said:

 

 

 

 

These people perhaps..... Latest Rescom poll

 

The EU has showed its true colours over Brexit, anyone would be mad to want to stay in if they did any kind of reseach

Oh my word - so now leavers are posting made up graphics of made up companies reporting made up polls - AND who liked it ? ????.......????

 

 

[Bruntoid]

5 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

The UK will never be taken back into the EU fold,that must be obvious,the mood is far too sour.  Determination to leave the EU is far more intense than remainders could possibly muster,never mind the imaginary numbers in fake polls,  if not delivered there definitely will be mass rioting,a tipping point hopefully will not be reached.

  Every trick in the book,every twist and turn deployed to avoid the inevitable,just prolongs the agony .

 

 It was mass immigration that triggered the 2016 poll result,and is there and increasing today,that has to be addressed the 3 odd million migrants in UK need to

be investigated robustly,  a FoI request as to how many living in the UK are in receipt of welfare would be a positive step to enforce public opinion.  One obtained 6 to 7 years ago was quickly quashed,baroness Flather did the request,no trace of it now,even approaching her for comment in HoL  "They work for Us" website,draws a blank,create too much concern

Welcome back - though sadly a return with the same level of racism. Thought about a move to Texas ? 

 

Would the ‘imaginary numbers in fake polls’ resemble the one a few posts before yours from a leaver ? 

 

Could you give us the final paragraph in English ? 

[3NUMBAS]

boris may bring down the opening of the EU as he still has a veto up his sleeve

[3NUMBAS]

doesnt make sense that he dissed nigel farage as he would have meant a solid block of leavers in his top pocket that would blast corbyn the commy from the 70s

[englishoak]

11 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

doesnt make sense that he dissed nigel farage as he would have meant a solid block of leavers in his top pocket that would blast corbyn the commy from the 70s

 

Makes perfect sense to not show your hand in the slightest in politics until the last moment, especially given leakers abound. Boris has restated on FB another 6 times we are leaving come what may on 31 Oct Deal or not. It makes no sense imo to engage with Farage until that date has passed and we havnt left, until then why show any hand  ? it would only give the opposition a heads up and that would include Farage if Boris were to somehow have a plan to fudge everything and force Mays deal through, sadly the most likely scenario imo.. 

[joecoolfrog]

23 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

The UK will never be taken back into the EU fold,that must be obvious,the mood is far too sour.  Determination to leave the EU is far more intense than remainders could possibly muster,never mind the imaginary numbers in fake polls,  if not delivered there definitely will be mass rioting,a tipping point hopefully will not be reached.

  Every trick in the book,every twist and turn deployed to avoid the inevitable,just prolongs the agony .

 

 It was mass immigration that triggered the 2016 poll result,and is there and increasing today,that has to be addressed the 3 odd million migrants in UK need to

be investigated robustly,  a FoI request as to how many living in the UK are in receipt of welfare would be a positive step to enforce public opinion.  One obtained 6 to 7 years ago was quickly quashed,baroness Flather did the request,no trace of it now,even approaching her for comment in HoL  "They work for Us" website,draws a blank,create too much concern

We have Trump amongst us !