16 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The only thing that changed in the last few days is that Biden is as elusive as the Lake Pontchartrain monster. And no wonder. The video of his bragging of extorting the Ukrainians is all over the place. He is in real trouble here, and his electoral hopes gone. Contrast to President Trump strutting around like cock-o-the walk and again rightly so. His donations are through the roof, and people are just so sick of this hysterical "we got him now" that has had democrats hyperventilating for 3 years now. Dare I remind that there is an election next year!

Donations are through the roof? Do you have some authoritative source for this? Seems to me your post is hyperventilating as well.

Let's be honest for a minute. The only reason this is happening is that the Democrats are STILL p!ssed that they lost a 'can't lose' election in 2016. Especially when they had it all lined up, the first woman president, the 'most qualified candidate ever', and they lost to a loudmouth from Queens.  It still gripes their cookies and they still refuse to accept the result.
 
Nobody really cares about the Ukraine, or when/if they get a loan, or what Biden's son did to earn his $50,000 a month, or any of that.  It is all a game of counting coup.  The stakes are getting lower and lower all the time, and I think many American voters are going to be mighty turned off by the whole spectacle.

No you're wrong.
This matters.
Decent Americans care.
Here is why.



A Senator Explains Why He Thinks This Trump Scandal Is Different

And why it’s time for the House to pursue impeachment.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/chris-murphy-on-why-this-trump-scandal-is-different.html

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5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Donations are through the roof? Do you have some authoritative source for this? Seems to me your post is hyperventilating as well.

Naw mate he pulled in 5 million over 24 hours after Pelosi made her annoucement...small donations too. 

Donations are through the roof? Do you have some authoritative source for this? Seems to me your post is hyperventilating as well.

So he's going to have lots of money to rile up his limited base that never grows and never will? Good luck with that strategy.

 

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4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Let's be honest for a minute. The only reason this is happening is that the Democrats are STILL p!ssed that they lost a 'can't lose' election in 2016. Especially when they had it all lined up, the first woman president, the 'most qualified candidate ever', and they lost to a loudmouth from Queens.  It still gripes their cookies and they still refuse to accept the result.

 

Nobody really cares about the Ukraine, or when/if they get a loan, or what Biden's son did to earn his $50,000 a month, or any of that.  It is all a game of counting coup.  The stakes are getting lower and lower all the time, and I think many American voters are going to be mighty turned off by the whole spectacle.

Going to motive is something people do when the evidence is against them. There is very strong evidence that Donald Trump tried to pressure a foreign nation into investigating the person he thought was his strongest potential opponent. Based on very very flimsy "evidence." 

From a reading of the transcripts, the "favor" did not have anything to do with the Bidens. As for Trump leaning on a foreign leader, who cares?  It's part of the job. International relations is a contact sport.

It's all going to either blow up (on the Democrats) or blow over (just like the collusion illusion). 

29 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

There is also video footage of him saying this, which they just showed on Bloomberg, with the commentary saying that it had been leaked to the press.  He was addressing a room full of US diplomats and seemed quite worked up at finding out who gave the info to the whistleblower.  It appeared to have been filmed by someone in the audience, possibly on a mobile phone as, towards the end, someone else in the audience lifts up their phone to take a photo or film it as well.  What must really be burning him now is that a private meeting, in which he rants about the evils of leaking information, was so brazenly leaked to the press.

This will be even more damning for Trump if in time it is shown people who gave the Whistleblower information because it was their duty in their job description to do so. Having your commander in chief calling diligent staff spies for doing what is right. Is there nothing this man won't do?

 

I have a suspicion the Whistleblower is a senior figure in their department. They must interact with other departments. They seem to be briefed on a range of different department information. And they weren't actually doing the grunt work of listening to conversations or taking handsard.

Edited September 27, 20196 yr by Farangwithaplan

13 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Let's be honest for a minute. The only reason this is happening is that the Democrats are STILL p!ssed that they lost a 'can't lose' election in 2016.

Wow, imagine Trump saying 'Let's be honest for a minute'.  That would be the day!

I agree that the Democrats were <deleted> when Trump 'won' the election.

But if Trump had behaved more presidential instead of acting like the incarnation of an evil clown, there wouldn't be all this controversy.

The Whistleblower-affair is not the worst or most illegal thing Trump has done, but is the straw that breaks the camel's back. And it is also the easiest, as Trump confessed that he requested the Ukranian President to re-open the case of his politicial opponent.  Clearly illegal!  Letting this one go by would be almost criminal... 

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

From a reading of the transcripts, the "favor" did not have anything to do with the Bidens. As for Trump leaning on a foreign leader, who cares?  It's part of the job.

Leaning? Blackmailing a foreign nation desperate for monetary assistance and political support in its fight with an aggressive and much larger neighbor which quite recently invaded and annexed part of their territory just to try to find dirt on a political opponent is part of the job??

What absolute *****!

22 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Donations are through the roof? Do you have some authoritative source for this? Seems to me your post is hyperventilating as well.

I read the figure last night. I believe the figure Trump stated they were up $6,000,000 in a few hours. I read somewhere today it was well north of that figure today. But don't quote me on it. Do a quick search you will find figures.

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

From a reading of the transcripts, the "favor" did not have anything to do with the Bidens. As for Trump leaning on a foreign leader, who cares?  It's part of the job. International relations is a contact sport.

It's all going to either blow up (on the Democrats) or blow over (just like the collusion illusion). 

If it is a contact sport, it's one your supposed to win on behalf of your country. Not on behalf of yourself.

Yours has got to be one of the most desperate readings of the transcript that there is.

11 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

From a reading of the transcripts, the "favor" did not have anything to do with the Bidens. As for Trump leaning on a foreign leader, who cares?  It's part of the job. International relations is a contact sport.

It's all going to either blow up (on the Democrats) or blow over (just like the collusion illusion). 

Who cares? All people in Democratic countries should. The bigger picture in this is that Trump attempted to circumvent protocol and has offered the personal services of a private lawyer - citizen - and William Barr who holds a very high position in government to be used in off the record activities.

 

Trump's personal lawyer has already stated on video that he had nothing to do with this. Then stated in the next breath that of course he had something to do with it. In the next breath he stated that the state department engaged him to do so. The State Department have denied this.

 

Attaches from the US were in the Ukraine guiding the Ukraine on how to avoid conflicts of interest and how to avoid giving into Trump's illegal activities (offering to reinstate withheld military assistance so Russia will not wipe them off the map)  if the Whistleblower is to be believed - and so far the Whistleblower has been shown to be accurate.

 

Have you read any of the Whistleblower report?

2 hours ago, Saint Nick said:

Hmmmm...let's see who is Biden....

An ex- Vice- President, presidential candidate...in other words: the nothing- burger, you Trump- fans are always raging about!

Who is Donald Trump?

The >deleted< President of the United States!

Who, if the allegations are true, withheld government money (eg TAX PAYERS MONEY), designated to Ukraine, in exchange for favors!

 

I can't really figure it out...it is really difficult!

Ohh i see, so because he is not a President  and not Trump, then the law does not apply evenly,

 

Thanks for the explanation, lets carry on Trump bashing

45 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

There is also video footage of him saying this, which they just showed on Bloomberg, with the commentary saying that it had been leaked to the press.  He was addressing a room full of US diplomats and seemed quite worked up at finding out who gave the info to the whistleblower.  It appeared to have been filmed by someone in the audience, possibly on a mobile phone as, towards the end, someone else in the audience lifts up their phone to take a photo or film it as well.  What must really be burning him now is that a private meeting, in which he rants about the evils of leaking information, was so brazenly leaked to the press.

One would think that by now, that he would have learned about discrimination and the need to be judicious in what he says. But, it does not appear he is capable of learning, or improving, or refining his M.O. That is why I keep on insisting his IQ is relatively low. I think definitely under 100. He just does not seem capable of processing and figuring this stuff out. He shoots himself in the foot, nearly every day. We are witnessing the waning days of his administration, thank God. He is nearly out the door. Now, suggesting that the person who outed him for the treasonous act he committed, should be shot? The whistleblower is a hero. Now even Raging Rudy is losing his mind. It was a good idea to keep him away from the press for months. Letting him out of the cage was a really, really bad idea. Trump is beyond the pale. I really do think he is increasingly unhinged, cannot deal with all the pressure, is really hurt by being the most mocked man on the planet, and is just lashing out. Like a juvenile who is not getting his way. Get used to this Don. You did this to yourself. 

Ohhh lookie lookie

 

The whistleblower report on Donald Trump, released overnight, contains one particularly intriguing admission.

The US intelligence official who lodged a complaint about Mr Trump’s interactions with Ukraine — including his pivotal phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky — did not actually witness the conversation.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/the-most-important-sentence-in-the-trump-whistleblowers-report/news-story/d81cb70fdde8a3a8b3794a96f465aee1

46 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Donations are through the roof? Do you have some authoritative source for this? Seems to me your post is hyperventilating as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/trump-raises-13m-after-pelosi-announces-impeachment-inquiry/2019/09/26/6341fcaa-e092-11e9-be7f-4cc85017c36f_story.html

10 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

And there it is... 

 

There is a crime, but it is always the cover-up that is the problem and what leads to a fall. 

 

"...Trump has repeatedly suggested wrongdoing by Biden and his son Hunter but has offered no evidence. There has been no evidence that Biden used his position to help his son, who had worked for a company drilling for gas in Ukraine..."

 

And, there is Trump's standard "defense". Say nothing to the facts, but slur and slander another person and claim 'whataboutism'.

 

The sooner that Trump is tossed out on his ass, the better the off the US will be.

 

I have said it before and will say it again;

 

Donald Trump is an ever expanding cloud of toxic waste that defiles everything it touches.

 

Let this nightmare end...

 

Yawn!!! Another democrat/socialist hoax. Collusion, obstruction, Kavanaugh, Stormy, Russia, Russia, russia, and now Ukraine. When will the phony democrat, lying investigations cease and start legislating. Trump will win in 2020 in a landslide. MAGA

22 minutes ago, BestB said:

Ohhh lookie lookie

 

The whistleblower report on Donald Trump, released overnight, contains one particularly intriguing admission.

The US intelligence official who lodged a complaint about Mr Trump’s interactions with Ukraine — including his pivotal phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky — did not actually witness the conversation.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/the-most-important-sentence-in-the-trump-whistleblowers-report/news-story/d81cb70fdde8a3a8b3794a96f465aee1

Yes, I lookie lookie.
The article actually makes the case that the whistleblower not having witnessed the conversation, provides even more ammunition for the impeachment investigation since he got his information during interoffice meetings with 6 people involved who were deeply disturbed about the going-ons.

So we are not dealing with a derelict lone wolf Trump hating spy acting only on hearsay, but a score of people can be subpoenad to testify what actually happened and was said.

Thanks for providing the link to the article!

11 hours ago, webfact said:

Trump has repeatedly suggested wrongdoing by Biden and his son Hunter but has offered no evidence. There has been no evidence that Biden used his position to help his son, who had worked for a company drilling for gas in Ukraine.

Do you really believe Adam Schiff?  A known liar.  He even admitted to doing a parody of what he thinks Trump would have said as he opening statement.  Hardly a credible individual if you look into his background of one lie after the other...

 

The evidence about Biden and his son Hunter is out there.  Yesterday, I posted a 1 minute video of Biden bragging about his quid pro quo of the new Ukraine president to fire the prosecutor who was investigating Hunter Biden's position with Burisma.  Hunter Biden has no natural gas experience, and had recently just been kicked out of the U.S. Navy for using drugs before getting big positions in Ukraine and China, making multiple trips to both countries with his father the VPOTUS.

 

Here is a story by John Solomon proving the Bidens are lying.  https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

 

My post yesterday with Joe Biden video was removed for being a troll...  You can read the released transcripts of the phone call with Trump and the Ukraine president.

 

So again, I know many will laugh at this, it's ok, the truths are coming...

Edited September 27, 20196 yr by JMSIII
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Do you really believe Adam Schiff?  A known liar.  He even admitted to doing a parody of what he thinks Trump would have said as he opening statement.  Hardly a credible individual if you look into his background of one lie after the other...
 
The evidence about Biden and his son Hunter is out there.  Yesterday, I posted a 1 minute video of Biden bragging about his quid pro quo of the new Ukraine president to fire the prosecutor who was investigating Hunter Biden's position with Burisma.  Hunter Biden has no natural gas experience, and had recently just been kicked out of the U.S. Navy for using drugs before getting big positions in Ukraine and China, making multiple trips to both countries with his father the VPOTUS.
 
Here is a story by John Solomon proving the Bidens are lying.  https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story
 
My post yesterday with Joe Biden video was removed for being a troll...  You can read the released transcripts of the phone call with Trump and the Ukraine president.
 
So again, I know many will laugh at this, it's ok, the truths are coming...

Impeach Biden!

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9 hours ago, DoctorG said:

Stop calling this person a whistleblower. He/she/Zer/Zim has no first person information and therefore does not even have a whistle to blow.

Technically you're right, but the DNI (as much as he tried NOT to answer the question!) finally had to admit that, yes, the whistle blower IS credible.

6 minutes ago, JMSIII said:

Do you really believe Adam Schiff?  A known liar.

Are you actually able to say that with a straight face while defending the biggest liar ever to disgrace the office of the presidency???

Wow!

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Impeach Biden!

Doesn't he have to be in office first?

4 minutes ago, JMSIII said:

Do you really believe Adam Schiff?  A known liar.  He even admitted to doing a parody of what he thinks Trump would have said as he opening statement.

 

The evidence about Biden and his son Hunter is out there.  Yesterday, I posted a 1 minute video of Biden bragging about his quid pro quo of the new Ukraine president to fire the prosecutor who was investigating Hunter Biden's position with Burisma.  Hunter Biden has no natural gas experience, and had recently just been kicked out of the U.S. Navy for using drugs before getting big positions in Ukraine and China, making multiple trips to both countries with his father the VPOTUS.

 

Here is a story by John Solomon proving the Bidens are lying.  https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

 

My post yesterday with Joe Biden video was removed for being a troll...

 

So again, I know many will laugh at this, it's ok, the truths are coming...

He was bragging about his quid pro quo? You mean he said that Ukraine was canceling the investigation of Hunter Biden in exchange for the 1 billion dollar loan?  Really.

And despite the fact that the evidence shows that Shokin had stopped investigating Burisma over a year before Biden made the threat, John Solomon continues to maintain otherwise.:

"At the time, Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma. Shokin told me he was making plans to question Hunter Biden about $3 million in fees that Biden and his partner, Archer, collected from Burisma through their American firm. Documents seized by the FBI in an unrelated case confirm the payments, which in many months totaled more than $166,000."

And this despite the fact that the major European nations and the IMF wanted Shokin fired. Biden was only the messenger.  

I'm willing to make a prediction.  And that is that when this is all sorted you'll find many of the same players involved in spygate behind this as well.  Spygate has the potential of bringing down huge players; Brennan, Clapper, Comey (already in serious trouble), McCabe, Adam Schiff, Loretta Lynch, the Clintons, and many more right on up to Obama.  These people will stop at nothing to prevent the truth of spygate from going public.  Mark my words.

 

The Dems here can laugh, chuckle, sneer and chortle all they like.  Bias breeds ignorance.  The MSM will never touch the developments of spygate and since Dems have no other sources of information they are more likely than not to be uneducated on the volumes of information already known regarding spygate.  There are a great many working on connecting the dots.

Edited September 27, 20196 yr by Tippaporn

1 hour ago, BestB said:

Ohhh lookie lookie

 

The whistleblower report on Donald Trump, released overnight, contains one particularly intriguing admission.

The US intelligence official who lodged a complaint about Mr Trump’s interactions with Ukraine — including his pivotal phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky — did not actually witness the conversation.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/the-most-important-sentence-in-the-trump-whistleblowers-report/news-story/d81cb70fdde8a3a8b3794a96f465aee1

So what? It has been corroborated by the memo of the conversation. He has already been proven right on that point already. It does not matter whether he has witnessed himself the conversation or not.

You have missed the boat!

Edited September 27, 20196 yr by candide

11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I'm willing to make a prediction.  And that is that when this is all sorted you'll find many of the same players involved in spygate behind this as well.  Spygate has the potential of bringing down huge players; Brennan, Clapper, Comey (already in serious trouble), McCabe, Loretta Lynch, the Clintons, and many more right on up to Obama.  These people will stop at nothing to prevent the truth of spygate from going public.  Mark my words.

 

The Dems here can laugh, chuckle, sneer and chortle all they like.  Bias breeds ignorance.  The MSM will never touch the developments of spygate and since Dems have no other sources of information they are more likely than not to be educated on the volumes of information already known regarding spygate.  There are a great many working on connecting the dots.

And where is the proof that this so called "spygate' exists? I mean, you do recall constantly asking everyone and their grandmothers for proof, right?

 

From the real world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spygate_(conspiracy_theory)

Edited September 27, 20196 yr by Becker

11 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I watched this hearing live on Bloomberg. It was truly disturbing right from the get go. Chairman Schiff knew it was all a nothing-burger so fabricated a terrible mafia style conversation to grab headlines. Of course it was completely made up! Not sure these are the headlines he was intending to generate.

 

“I have a favor I want from you,” Schiff said while appearing to read from a paper. “And I’m going to say this only seven times, so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand? Lots of it, on this and on that.”

https://www.foxnews.com/media/schiff-parody

 

Pathetic, dishonest, and embarrassing. Typical behavior from team democrat since the humiliating electoral upset 3 years ago. 

Wait, you add a link from fox News and expect anyone to take that as serious information?

 

OK. I'll be sure to give it serious consideration and it will probably convince me that I've been wrong about Trump from the beginning.

 

Three years of watching trumps antics will be erased in seconds.

11 hours ago, Tug said:

that was an earfull today took the time to watch the whole thing looks like a lot more info hidden what a nasty human Donald is doesent deserve to be president and it’s showing loud and clear kick the bum out!

The facts are simple. Ideologues on both sides will choose Party over Country. Trump haters have more to hate, and Trump supporters will continue to nurse their ignorance and surrender to their base instincts.

 

The only hope for my country is that more people will vote next year and 'swing states' will swing back toward the values that Americans once held dear and invioble.

 

There will always and everywhere be a minority of people who will wallow in racism/nationalism and blindly follow a leader who they think will make their homeland superior to all other countries and cultures.

 

History shows us that when this group gains control anywhere human tragedy follows.

23 minutes ago, Becker said:

And where is the proof that this so called "spygate' exists? I mean, you do recall constantly asking everyone and their grandmothers for proof, right?

 

From the real world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spygate_(conspiracy_theory)

Evidence is being collected.  The dots are being put together.  It's too voluminous for me to post.  Take that as a cop out if you want.  I don't care.  But as I said, bias breeds ignorance.  Bias forces you to see only what fits the picture you want to see.  All information to the contrary is either ignored or discounted.  And much of the information that is able to make it's way into the narrow horse blinder view becomes misinterpreted, distorted and tailored to fit that desired picture.  So sad for the people who allow others to spoon feed them their information and narratives.

 

If you're interested in knowing, Becker, all the information regarding spygate is out there.  Dig it up, my friend.

 

Edit:  BTW, I would trust Wikepedia as much as I would trust the Times, the Post, Newsweek, and the rest of the MSM.  And just to be clear, their definition of spygate is totally wrong.

Edited September 27, 20196 yr by Tippaporn