Thailand tourism: 40 million will visit "for sure" next year and Chinese for free, minister

[clancy]

They sound worried.

[The Deerhunter]

21 hours ago, madmitch said:

I'd love to know how these statistics were calculated. Europeans the lowest spenders? Hmmmm.

Perhaps off a Chinese-Thai website.

[FNQ]

15 hours ago, Yinn said:

I think a lot TVF member listen each other say again and again “thai tourism go down” 

and many member say and want to feel “som nam na” because they angry about something happen.

they WANT thai tourism to go down.

 

But

 

it not go down. 

I show foreign graph, thai graph and Wikipedia. ALL say it up. Nowhere say it down. Only TVF people talk together. But other member who have business with China people know it up!

yes, people from England down. 

But the world up. 

 

Sorry, but is true.

 

suwaanaphumi open 2006. Now need it bigger. Don Muang make bigger. Now full. New airport coming in Phangnga, because Phuket full. Krabi etc etc.

 

Thailand is successful tourist country. 

if I am wrong. Show me. Where you information? 

You seem to have all the answers.

Try this, how many of these tourists are in Transit (that means  going on to greener pastures) at these airports ?

[MasterBaker]

That's my flight to BKK on Thursday, Airbus 330 had 30 passengers...

[wgdanson]

13 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

To be fair, most tourists stay more than just 1 day, so that would be more like one jet/hour arriving 24/7. (If the average holiday duration of Thailand visitors is still 7 or 8 days.)

No, Lynchey is right. 40M come in and then 40M go out again, in 2,3,4 weeks makes no difference. In fact there would have to be as many flights again to take 'em home again.

[Moo 2]

40 million "for sure" and free visa, if that's not enough we'll give every Chinese pocket money

to order Tom Yum Goon dish at the restaurants. For Chinese who had enough and want to go

home they wont be allowed to do so, only until their visa expire!

[0815]

23 hours ago, madmitch said:

I'd love to know how these statistics were calculated. Europeans the lowest spenders? Hmmmm.

Could be the statistic of the whisky and wine seller in Central Festival Chiang Mai. ???? 

[0815]

23 hours ago, Yinn said:

Generally speaking...

 

chinese go tour everyday, eat seafood, go shopping.

europe, sunbath on beach, pool, eat a sandwich.

 

How much Madmitch spend everyday?

They couldn't find out how much the European sex tourists spent in the beer bars because the girlies didn't write bills.
So quite a bit of their spending is missing in the statistic.

[MRToMRT]

Theres a lot of anti Chinese tourist rhetoric going off in this thread. But I suppose they have their own forums which generalize about all westerners in Thailand being aging sex tourists, pedos, crims and the like. 

The past is the past guys/gals, its gone and the new future for Thailand is asian centric tourism. Accept that Thailand is Thailand run by Thais, as it should be, not some outpost of a European colonial mentality and old men looking for financially unfortunate girls.

 

 

[david555]

2 hours ago, MasterBaker said:

That's my flight to BKK on Thursday, Airbus 330 had 30 passengers...

Which airline ..? as I would like to have a relaxed flight next time ,with a few empty  seats to lie down while sleeping ????

[thaiguzzi]

On 9/27/2019 at 9:34 AM, webfact said:

He said he is absolutely sure of that. 

The government was also "ABSOLUTELY SURE" that the US-China trade war would have ZERO EFFECT on Thailand.

The government was also ABSOLUTELY SURE there would be no flooding when there were indeed, floods, and ABSOLUTELY SURE there would be no droughts, when indeed, there were droughts.

So i'm ABSOLUTELY SURE i would not believe one sentence that anybody in this government the past 5 years spouts.

[david555]

3 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

The orig source is the Ministry of Tourism and Sports..... the additional breakdown graphs can be seen with English text here.....

 

 

http://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism-income-Thailand.asp

If they would count all the westerners together ….Farang's (as a race..., comparing to the Chinese as a race..) ...you know ????, the result would be surprisingly totally different ….

[MRToMRT]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

If they would count all the westerners together ….Farang's (as a race..., comparing to the Chinese as a race..) ...you know ????, the result would be surprisingly totally different ….

I don't see that in the graphs, if you lump all the "Farangs" (Europeans, Americans and Oceania) together AND then lump all the asians (China, SEA and rest of Asia) together, the asians massively outstrip the "farangs" in spend.

[david555]

1 minute ago, MRToMRT said:

I don't see that in the graphs, if you lump all the "Farangs" (Europeans, Americans and Oceania) together AND then lump all the asians (China, SEA and rest of Asia) together, the asians massively outstrip the "farangs" in spend.

Sure about the Taiwan and Japan ones … but not the Chinese …. I was replying to the comparison Chinese to Farangs … and then they are outnumbered …. sure what goes direct in the Thai medium peoples pocket ...

[DrTuner]

1 hour ago, MRToMRT said:

The orig source is the Ministry of Tourism and Sports..... the additional breakdown graphs can be seen with English text here.....

 

 

http://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism-income-Thailand.asp

That's a 3rd party website that took TAT's figures but yes the ultimate source is TAT. Where does TAT get the expenditure from is an unanswered question and I think my earlier guess of them taking tax-free shopping, i.e. King Power, for their expenditure data might be closer than I thought. No sane western tourist buys anything from them.

 

The creator of that webpage also acknowledges they got no clue where the original data comes from:

Quote

How are these data gathered?
We honestly do not know, but they have been reported for many years. We assume, this is one of the reasons, that when changing money etc. one is obliged to show identification. We can only assume that as good as feasible, all these data are tabulated somewhere, and the expenditure per tourist and per country of origin, registered. Hotels can also gather revenue data and report them (?). Nevertheless, it would be wise to consider the data gathered as an approximation.

 

The number of tourists is immigration entries in certain visa classes/exemptions/voa. It does not take into account any transit traffic that goes f.ex. from swampy to DMK, nor exclude those that stay overnight to catch a connecting flight. They could do it, but the figures wouldn't be as sexy.

 

In other words, the data either doesn't exist, or they used "creative" methods to filter it.

[StayinThailand2much]

3 hours ago, MasterBaker said:

That's my flight to BKK on Thursday, Airbus 330 had 30 passengers...

That's why it's called "330"; capacity of 300, but only 30 fly to Thailand...

[Airbagwill]

Do I detect an undertone of "hard cheese"?

 

For decades Westerners have seen themselves as dominating tourism in Thailand (not wholly true, though) and now there seems a lot of resentment at being usurped by Asia.

I think they should wake up and smell the coffee.

[actonion]

On 9/27/2019 at 9:59 AM, Yinn said:

China come to Thailand the most.

Chinese spend the most baht per person.

 

 

Welcome to Thailand!

I want to know who counts how much each tourists spends in ThaIland?? Impossible

[actonion]

On 9/27/2019 at 10:04 AM, madmitch said:

I'd love to know how these statistics were calculated. Europeans the lowest spenders? Hmmmm.

Who's counting how much  each tourist is spending and  how they know where each tourist comes from??

[Airbagwill]

5 minutes ago, actonion said:

I want to know who counts how much each tourists spends in ThaIland?? Impossible

 

Thailand is notoriously haphazard in gathering stats on anything however - everyone who arrives has a boarding card and ATMs banks etc record transactions...

For the same site as above......

"

How are these data gathered?
We honestly do not know, but they have been reported for many years. We assume, this is one of the reasons, that when changing money etc. one is obliged to show identification. We can only assume that as good as feasible, all these data are tabulated somewhere, and the expenditure per tourist and per country of origin, registered. Hotels can also gather revenue data and report them (?). Nevertheless, it would be wise to consider the data gathered as an approximation. Even if there are some errors, comparison between subsequent years, remains quite valuable. "

 

 

[geoffrobbo]

Obviously statistics published by the government don't lie and are 100% truthful.

 

It just seems odd that, for example, businesses in Pattaya that depend on tourist numbers and tourist spend have struggled or closed down in the last 3 years yet with much lower numbers in 2003 to 2012 were doing ok. Very strange.

[Airbagwill]

10 minutes ago, geoffrobbo said:

Obviously statistics published by the government don't lie and are 100% truthful.

 

It just seems odd that, for example, businesses in Pattaya that depend on tourist numbers and tourist spend have struggled or closed down in the last 3 years yet with much lower numbers in 2003 to 2012 were doing ok. Very strange.

For Pattaya this is not strange. Firstly the nature of the market in Pattaya has seen a rapid turnover in businesses for decades.

Secondly many of the businesses closing are those catering primarily for Westen customers. If they fail to change with the demographics they are more likely to fail.

[Airbagwill]

1 hour ago, StayinThailand2much said:

That's why it's called "330"; capacity of 300, but only 30 fly to Thailand...

personal experience is by fa the worst way to analyse trends.

however which flight was. this

Origin, time etc etc

[Melbun]

On 9/27/2019 at 12:44 PM, holy cow cm said:

That ain't workin' that's the way you do it ..... Money for nothin' and your Chinese for free

Haah "and the Chinese chicks for free" !!!

[holy cow cm]

10 minutes ago, Melbun said:

Haah "and the Chinese chicks for free" !!!

Some of those Chinese girls are super duper hot. And some of them tour Chinese ladies are super duper not. 

[DrTuner]

2 hours ago, actonion said:

I want to know who counts how much each tourists spends in ThaIland?? Impossible

If you turn really quickly, you might see a glimpse of them before they hide behind the corner. Try it. It's the reason why they are ready to drop TM30's, everyone's got a personal immigration chaperone counting the cash flows. If you can't see yours, it means they are good, very good. It's the reason I only walk with my back scraping against the wall.

[Selatan]

2 hours ago, actonion said:

I want to know who counts how much each tourists spends in ThaIland?? Impossible

My guess is the way they count it is using the total amount of a foreign currency, let's say Chinese yuan is exchanged for bahts, less deposits in banks by Chinese nationals, divided by the total number of Chinese tourists.

[HeyHeyHey]

On 9/27/2019 at 6:36 PM, david555 said:

Also with access 146 country visa free ....? Waw…!! who gave it to you ...Chinese ..? ????

Seems like dear Yinn is living in Australia... so Thailand is perfect, but not enough for her

 

 

[JackGats]

I was at Suvarnabumi to wellcome a friend travelling from abroad. It was mind-boggling to see the Asian/Chinese masses emerging from customs. Hardly a white or black face to be seen.

[WeekendRaider]

why not?  6,400 million of us have never traveled very far, or even been inside an airplane even once in their life... yet.  so 40 out of 6,400 is not a big deal.  and many people, especially retired folks who are the biggest growing cohort in the world today, often travel more than once a year.  so then it is 40 out of 12,800 or 40 out of..... whatever.

tourism is why we no longer need to endure more Charles Bronson movies about New York City.  tourism, and deregulated air travel are what has made New York so better off than in the early 1970's.  anyone who owns a casino, or a expensive golf resort or 5 star hotel knows this for sure.  wink wink.  Trump.  our only realistic president on Climate Change.... which has tourism and air travel written all over it as a political agenda.  now you understand why we went along with having Trump nominated and elected.

and that 40 million tourists, especially so close to China, should be a easy target.  tourism and air travel are essential now.  yet it only has begun.  very real, 6,400 million prospective new tourists.... as soon as someone crosses about $US 5,000 in annual income, which is happening everywhere now.