Britain tells EU: compromise on Brexit or we'll get nasty: Spectator source

[elliss]

9 hours ago, david555 said:

England's independence in the making....????

 

 Soon to be known as Little england ...

 

 

[elliss]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Still the 5th largest Economy in the world.

How is your country doing?

 

 Not for long , expect downgrades soon , November ..

 

 

[elliss]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

Bit of a strange post especially when J C Juncker said "When it becomes serious, you have to lie"

 

     Links ?.

[david555]

(Thailand  Brexiteers & remainers …. time to start sending Bum Gunn's direction U.K.????)

 

Jon Craig

Chief political correspondent

 

Wednesday 9 October 2019 12:44, UK

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bums-rush-no-deal-could-wipe-out-toilet-paper-stocks-11831093

Brexiteers will say it is the ultimate in "project fear", but it's claimed the nation could be caught short by a scarcity of toilet roll after the UK leaves the European Union.

Remainers will insist it shows Brexit is going down the pan, but a manufacturer has suggested some toilet paper supplies might not withstand long-term border delays or panic buying in the event of no-deal.

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

     Links ?.

On Greece's economic meltdown in 2011

"When it becomes serious, you have to lie.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10967168/Jean-Claude-Junckers-most-outrageous-political-quotations.html

[beautifulthailand99]

2 hours ago, Basil B said:

Britain Boris tells EU: compromise on Brexit or we'll get nasty:

Boris latest threat: Give us what we want or we will revoke Article 50... 

 

Talk of Revoking starting to bubble up - I'm for a No Deal and let the electorate see the chaos for a couple of months with no election - the fishing industry have said they will lose 50% of their markets overnight with no deal and they need a 1000 more vets for the paperwork involved bit late now to start bleating same from the farmers.

 

So let's have No Deal and let's shove the faces of these leavers boneheads into the mess they have been cheering on and smash the pound. And I'm serious - Johnson was always lying he has said no democratically accountable PM could ever impose a no deal on the UK. So let's get on with it No Deal on the 31st - no ifs and buts and let's see how wonderful this clean break Brexit really is. Really fed up with this nonsense time for the leaver idiots to have some  accountability at last rather than spouting fact free nonsense and spewing the lies and nonsense of a bunch of chancers, spivs, idiots and the vulture disaster capitalists. And if people get hurt then we know to blame. Enough is enough. 

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

I feel terrible now , wish I'd never wanted Brexit .

My fault that UK is going to die .

 

Bring it on No Deal Brexit. On the 31st no more lying liars. People get hurt then tough we know who to blame. 

[RuamRudy]

I feel terrible now , wish I'd never wanted Brexit .
My fault that UK is going to die .
 

Don't feel bad - everything is going exactly to plan. In fact, it couldn't have worked out better.

Sent from my SM-G975F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

(Thailand  Brexiteers & remainers …. time to start sending Bum Gunn's direction U.K.????)

 

Jon Craig

Chief political correspondent

 

Wednesday 9 October 2019 12:44, UK

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bums-rush-no-deal-could-wipe-out-toilet-paper-stocks-11831093

Brexiteers will say it is the ultimate in "project fear", but it's claimed the nation could be caught short by a scarcity of toilet roll after the UK leaves the European Union.

Remainers will insist it shows Brexit is going down the pan, but a manufacturer has suggested some toilet paper supplies might not withstand long-term border delays or panic buying in the event of no-deal.

Good. We can start making our own dunny rolls again, like many other items. This will reduce imports and the transportation of same, helping to reduce carbon and other GG emissions. Maybe our Extinction Rebellion brats might see the light and demonstrate against the truly wasteful, OTT, polluting fuel-burning caused by all kinds of stuff that is often transported across Europe and back to satisfy the tastes of the elite and/or the convenience and greed of large businesses.

 

Just in time? Maybe not. But it's difficult to have a relaxing dump without a bogroll in plain sight! 

[Monomial]

43 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Talk of Revoking starting to bubble up - I'm for a No Deal and let the electorate see the chaos for a couple of months with no election - the fishing industry have said they will lose 50% of their markets overnight with no deal and they need a 1000 more vets for the paperwork involved bit late now to start bleating same from the farmers.

 

So let's have No Deal and let's shove the faces of these leavers boneheads into the mess they have been cheering on and smash the pound. And I'm serious - Johnson was always lying he has said no democratically accountable PM could ever impose a no deal on the UK. So let's get on with it No Deal on the 31st - no ifs and buts and let's see how wonderful this clean break Brexit really is. Really fed up with this nonsense time for the leaver idiots to have some  accountability at last rather than spouting fact free nonsense and spewing the lies and nonsense of a bunch of chancers, spivs, idiots and the vulture disaster capitalists. And if people get hurt then we know to blame. Enough is enough. 

 

Honestly that is probably not an optimal strategy.  When people have made a choice as emotional as brexit, and problems start to develop, the normal human reaction is to double down on that choice rather than immediately jump to the conclusion that the belief was wrong. It takes considerable time and serious hardship for anyone to change their minds. Combine that with the fact that the government won't remain stagnant and just accept the problems. They will offer financial relief for those affected by the changes, they will sign emergency deals or begin government to government negotiations to try and find markets for their products.

 

You are going to need to delay elections by 2-3 years if you really want your strategy to have a chance at success. And there is always the chance that the effects won't be as bad as predicted and things will work out just enough to minimize any serious consequences.

 

It is best to actually face the problem head on and find a compromise now, rather than waiting and hoping people come around to your view later. People cling to their own values much more strongly than you think.

 

[david555]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Good. We can start making our own dunny rolls again, like many other items. This will reduce imports and the transportation of same, helping to reduce carbon and other GG emissions. Maybe our Extinction Rebellion brats might see the light and demonstrate against the truly wasteful, OTT, polluting fuel-burning caused by all kinds of stuff that is often transported across Europe and back to satisfy the tastes of the elite and/or the convenience and greed of large businesses.

 

Just in time? Maybe not. But it's difficult to have a relaxing dump without a bogroll in plain sight! 

Mean time in emergency  need ….5555 lol????

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Talk of Revoking starting to bubble up - I'm for a No Deal and let the electorate see the chaos for a couple of months with no election - the fishing industry have said they will lose 50% of their markets overnight with no deal and they need a 1000 more vets for the paperwork involved bit late now to start bleating same from the farmers.

 

So let's have No Deal and let's shove the faces of these leavers boneheads into the mess they have been cheering on and smash the pound. And I'm serious - Johnson was always lying he has said no democratically accountable PM could ever impose a no deal on the UK. So let's get on with it No Deal on the 31st - no ifs and buts and let's see how wonderful this clean break Brexit really is. Really fed up with this nonsense time for the leaver idiots to have some  accountability at last rather than spouting fact free nonsense and spewing the lies and nonsense of a bunch of chancers, spivs, idiots and the vulture disaster capitalists. And if people get hurt then we know to blame. Enough is enough. 

Well if we have to go knocking on the door in 6 months we will not the favourable term we already have...

 

The only thing I can agree on is the use of the word Boneheads

[david555]

17 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Well if we have to go knocking on the door in 6 months we will not the favourable term we already have...

 

The only thing I can agree on is the use of the word Boneheads

(Rebates go end anyway in future ..)

 

https://www.euronews.com/2019/10/09/eu-budget-head-calls-for-higher-contributions-end-to-rebates-ahead-of-summit

EU budget head calls for higher contributions, end to rebates ahead of summit

By Reuters• last updated: 09/10/2019 - 15:04

[tebee]

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

All the EU has to do is say "There will be no passporting of financial services from the UK to the EU upon a no deal Brexit".

 

I thought that was pretty much taken as read now anyway ?

[baboon]

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Talk of Revoking starting to bubble up - I'm for a No Deal and let the electorate see the chaos for a couple of months with no election - the fishing industry have said they will lose 50% of their markets overnight with no deal and they need a 1000 more vets for the paperwork involved bit late now to start bleating same from the farmers.

 

So let's have No Deal and let's shove the faces of these leavers boneheads into the mess they have been cheering on and smash the pound. And I'm serious - Johnson was always lying he has said no democratically accountable PM could ever impose a no deal on the UK. So let's get on with it No Deal on the 31st - no ifs and buts and let's see how wonderful this clean break Brexit really is. Really fed up with this nonsense time for the leaver idiots to have some  accountability at last rather than spouting fact free nonsense and spewing the lies and nonsense of a bunch of chancers, spivs, idiots and the vulture disaster capitalists. And if people get hurt then we know to blame. Enough is enough. 

I am afraid I cannot agree with you at all.

The chief 'leavers' will always point the finger of blame elsewhere, no matter what. Hell, they have even stopped pretending that they believe the UK will be tangibly better off. And their support base will never admit to having been conned, probably not even to themselves in private moments alone. There will be no calling to account.

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, baboon said:

And their support base will never admit to having been conned, probably not even to themselves in private moments alone. There will be no calling to account.

That may be because they dont believe that they have been "conned"

Of course they arent going to accept something that they dont believe to be true 

[baboon]

6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

That may be because they dont believe that they have been "conned"

Of course they arent going to accept something that they dont believe to be true 

Funny how at the time they weren't pointing out that while they were all for Brexit, they didn't believe that the 350 Million for the NHS was true. Or all that nonsense about the 'easiest deal in history'.

So that makes them as dishonest as the tricksters who did try to sell that nonsense, when all the while they wanted their country to be poorer and its clout in the world reduced.

Because they are 'True Patriots' and the like, as many of their namesakes would have us believe on the wider internet.

 

The EU isn't perfect to any degree. But I would far rather be with them than the dubious characters who seem to want to divide people and sow hate.

[sanemax]

12 minutes ago, baboon said:

Funny how at the time they weren't pointing out that while they were all for Brexit, they didn't believe that the 350 Million for the NHS was true. Or all that nonsense about the 'easiest deal in history'.

So that makes them as dishonest as the tricksters who did try to sell that nonsense, when all the while they wanted their country to be poorer and its clout in the world reduced.

Because they are 'True Patriots' and the like, as many of their namesakes would have us believe on the wider internet.

 

The EU isn't perfect to any degree. But I would far rather be with them than the dubious characters who seem to want to divide people and sow hate.

LOL. I have discussed this numerous times on here and just cannot go through the same process yet again ????

  The bus........................right , the bus..........lets talk about the bus once again ........this three year discussion on the same topic 

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

LOL. I have discussed this numerous times on here and just cannot go through the same process yet again ????

  The bus........................right , the bus..........lets talk about the bus once again ........this three year discussion on the same topic 

That's right, because it happened. No amount of desperate derision will change the fact.

And where were you, a forum member in good standing, when the bus was proudly rolled out?

So yes, let's keep talking about the bus. And all the lavish claims about the EU backing down and Britain motoring ahead. It hasn't happened.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

Mean time in emergency  need ….5555 lol????

very dROLL

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, elliss said:

 

 Soon to be known as Little england ...

 

 

While 22 miles across the channel little Europe will be dancing to the tune Merkel whistles

[kingdong]

32 minutes ago, baboon said:

 

So yes, let's keep talking about the bus. And all the lavish claims about the EU backing down and Britain motoring ahead. It hasn't happened.

Yet-------

[sanemax]

43 minutes ago, baboon said:

That's right, because it happened. No amount of desperate derision will change the fact.

And where were you, a forum member in good standing, when the bus was proudly rolled out?

So yes, let's keep talking about the bus. And all the lavish claims about the EU backing down and Britain motoring ahead. It hasn't happened.

Couldn't you just look back in the numerous other threads where we have discussed this, or do you want to do it all again ?

[baboon]

9 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Couldn't you just look back in the numerous other threads where we have discussed this, or do you want to do it all again ?

No need. The bus thing happened. No Thaivisa member who wishes to leave the EU pointed out at the time that they did not believe the bold claim on the side of the bus.

My point stands.

[Nigel Garvie]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

Mean time in emergency  need ….5555 lol????

Loo roll shortage no problem, we have a perfect alternative, indeed it's the only sensible use for the Sun and the Mail. Maybe they can even be persuaded to print their poison on softer paper. 

[sanemax]

16 minutes ago, baboon said:

No need. The bus thing happened. No Thaivisa member who wishes to leave the EU pointed out at the time that they did not believe the bold claim on the side of the bus.

My point stands.

The point that I made in the previous threads when we discussed this is was : "Would anyone who voted Brexit , not have voted Brexit and voted Remain instead, had the figure on the bus had been £ 250 Million .?

  I have forgotten how you replied to that last time we talked about it 

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

That may be because they dont believe that they have been "conned"

Of course they arent going to accept something that they dont believe to be true 

This rather misses the point, maybe they don't believe that they have been conned, NOW - naturally - of course no one likes to admit that.

However the point was  "their support base will never admit to having been conned". Plenty of evidence has already been given and rejected, the fear is that even if the evidence becomes overwhelming - like that for the Earth not being flat for example - they will still not believe it to be true.

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

This rather misses the point, maybe they don't believe that they have been conned, NOW - naturally - of course no one likes to admit that.

However the point was  "their support base will never admit to having been conned". Plenty of evidence has already been given and rejected, the fear is that even if the evidence becomes overwhelming - like that for the Earth not being flat for example - they will still not believe it to be true.

It can be proven that the Earth isnt flat .

It cannot be proven that people were "conned" into voting Brexit .

Many Brexit people have wanted to leave the EU for years and didnt even need any help in deciding which way to vote  

[Loiner]

No need. The bus thing happened. No Thaivisa member who wishes to leave the EU pointed out at the time that they did not believe the bold claim on the side of the bus.
My point stands.

Plenty of Thaivisa members who still wish to Leave dispelled whatever claims you made at the time. None of us were as gullible as you.
Point busted.

[luckyluke]

54 minutes ago, kingdong said:

little Europe will be dancing to the tune Merkel whistles

As it had always been.

 

France is trying to get a piece of this power, and they might succeed somehow. 

 

The U.K., as a big important nation, tried also, they failed, so they want to leave the E.U..

 

Fully understandable, as

the U.K. not being a nation to take orders, but more one to give them. 

 

Adding to that it would not been imaginable that "Tommies" should have to take orders from the "Krauts" and maybe even the "Frogs". 

 

The other way around, of course. 

 

In the meantime, we Belgians (a non-country) let the dogs bark. 

 

As so far, this E.U. stuff, doesn't affect us, people, directly. 

 

Well except that, quite certain, some money from the taxes we pay, go to it. 

 

With Brexit we may have to pay a bit more taxes, but that will than be considered as the fault of the U.K..

 

It is always someone else fault.