Johnson faces perilous Brexit ratification after deal vote blocked

[sanemax]

51 minutes ago, tebee said:

May's - that still available if we want - though choosing between that a boris's is like picking which turd you want to eat for lunch...

What dont you like about Boris's deal ?

[sanemax]

Just now, SheungWan said:

Actually no. There were no terms specified in the referendum, so any claims by Hard Brexiteers that there was and that = no-deal is false, from beginning to end, from top to bottom.

 

Not at all , leave means leave  , leave doesn't mean leave a bit and stay a bit, leave  means completely leave 

[nauseus]

50 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

There was no vote for no-deal Brexit.

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Just Brexit. According to A50 a deal or no deal is possible. We British must follow EU rules to the end, what?

[beautifulthailand99]

44 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

So then, for or against Boris's deal?

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Yeah respect the vote you bleeding heart elitist nonce - or I'll set the DUP on you !

[SheungWan]

Oh Tebee, that "deal" never passed so it is not available, although it is strangely very similar to Boris's shocker.

Surprising how shy Hard Brexiteers are in openly opposing Boris's deal other than mindlessly advocating no-deal while at the same time pretending Boris's agreement just wasn't there.

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[tebee]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Which "leader" said that?

Vote Leave Manifesto 

[tebee]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

What dont you like about Boris's deal ?

It's a pretty bad deal, businesswise and it separates NI from the rest of the UK, probably eventually leading to a united Ireland.

 

But it not just me, even Farage doesn't like it  

 

[SheungWan]

Oh Tebee, that "deal" never passed so it is not available, although it is strangely very similar to Boris's shocker.

That would be Theresa May's deal that Boris not only voted against but used as a lever to bring her down as PM.

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[nauseus]

53 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

There was no vote for no-deal Brexit.

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Like a recurring dream.

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

It's a pretty bad deal, businesswise and it separates NI from the rest of the UK, probably eventually leading to a united Ireland.

 

 

How do you suggest that the Irish issue be solved ?

[SheungWan]

Just Brexit. According to A50 a deal or no deal is possible. We British must follow EU rules to the end, what?

Options that are possible and which were not decided by the referendum are the responsibility of Parliament. Parliament will decide.

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[nauseus]

1 minute ago, SheungWan said:

That would be Theresa May's deal that Boris not only voted against but used as a lever to bring her down as PM.

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That's the one. Unless there were any others they didn't tell us about.

[nauseus]

Just now, SheungWan said:

Options that are possible and which were not decided by the referendum are the responsibility of Parliament. Parliament will decide.

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Of course it will. Providing that the EU allows that option.

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, tebee said:

It's a pretty bad deal, businesswise and it separates NI from the rest of the UK, probably eventually leading to a united Ireland.

 

But it not just me, even Farage doesn't like it  

 

Tebee, you can't be saying that you agree with Farage, surely?

[beautifulthailand99]

More Conservative pundits that refuse to drink ther Johnson Kool-Aid, But of course the Cummings/Liar soundbite is 'Just get it done'. 'Give us an election you wimps'. No. 

 

But you would have thought the fact that the DUP still are not happy with it would have given pause for thought, given that the big reason the original backstop was so unacceptable was that UK divergence from EU regulation would have meant leaving Northern Ireland behind. So what’s changed? It is still stuffed full of unwarranted payments, egregious liabilities, undemocratic subjection, and more room for mischief than a Commons chamber full of monkeys. Which, coincidentally, is not far from what it will face.

 

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/welcome-to-groundhog-brexit/

 

 

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Surprising how shy Hard Brexiteers are in openly opposing Boris's deal other than mindlessly advocating no-deal while at the same time pretending Boris's agreement just wasn't there.

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This looks like a statement of confused panic.

[beautifulthailand99]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Tebee, you can't be saying that you agree with Farage, surely?

They've jumped ship to Eton Liar Johnson's 'friend of the working class'  ship of fools.......who according to his own promises is due to die in a ditch. If only he could be trusted on his promises. 

[beautifulthailand99]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

This looks like a statement of confused panic.

After the departure of the much missed Grouse Sheung Wan is the ardent voice of sanity and reason. You would do well to listen and learn. ????????

 

Brexiteers - Take the Pledge....

 

https://www.brexitpledge.co.uk/promotional-video

[nauseus]

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

They've jumped ship to Eton Liar Johnson's 'friend of the working class'  ship of fools.......who according to his own promises is due to die in a ditch. If only he could be trusted on his promises. 

Well I think he spoke of it as a preference rather than a promise. Although I can see why some people would want him to act on his word. 

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

After the departure of the much missed Grouse Sheung Wan is the ardent voice of sanity and reason. You would do well to listen and learn. ????????

Yes, I miss Grouse. But they are quite different. Grouse at least would change track occasionally, if his needle got stuck.

 

If you are reading Grouse, then good and hello. Hope you are as well as can be.

 

Goodnight all.

[beautifulthailand99]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well I think he spoke of it as a preference rather than a promise. Although I can see why some people would want him to act on his word. 

No he didn't......

 

 

 

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

No he didn't......

 

 

 

It was a figure of speech and it wasnt a statement of intent  .

Are you unfamiliar with the English language ?

[sanemax]

11 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

They've jumped ship to Eton Liar Johnson's 'friend of the working class'  ship of fools.......who according to his own promises is due to die in a ditch. If only he could be trusted on his promises. 

You are twisting things .

Boris did not promise to die in a ditch

[tebee]

21 minutes ago, sanemax said:

How do you suggest that the Irish issue be solved ?

There is no good solution other than remaining in the SM and CU

 

 

D in this diagram does not exist anywhere in the real world. 

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

It was a figure of speech and it wasnt a statement of intent  .

Are you unfamiliar with the English language ?

The key word here is 'promise' a word that means nothing to our Great Liar in Chief. Most of us here know what a 'promise' is - well I do hope Malagateddy does - my PM is coming soon....

 

This is the Johnsonian way. The lies, the performative phrases, the layers of persona—they accrete, one on top of another, flecked here and there with Latin, until everyone has forgotten what the big deal was. In Brussels, Johnson confined himself to dodgy journalism. When he returned to London, he brought the same approach to jobs, extramarital affairs, and political stances. 

 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/06/24/the-empty-promise-of-boris-johnson#

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You are twisting things .

Boris did not promise to die in a ditch

we could do a whole string of did/didn't until hell freezes over so I shall refrain. 

Did. 

[tebee]

39 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Oh Tebee, that "deal" never passed so it is not available, although it is strangely very similar to Boris's shocker.

Neither has Boris's deal !

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, tebee said:

There is no good solution other than remaining in the SM and CU

 

 

D in this diagram does not exist anywhere in the real world. 

or indeed take the best deal we've ever had which is to REMAIN. 

[tebee]

24 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Tebee, you can't be saying that you agree with Farage, surely?

Yes, frightening isn't it ?

[beautifulthailand99]

10 minutes ago, sanemax said:

It was a figure of speech and it wasnt a statement of intent  .

Are you unfamiliar with the English language ?

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