In my opinion there are three ways to drastically cut down the road deaths here and improve the standards:

1)   Strong deterrents.

2)   Strict enforcement.

3)   Willingness to accept advice from countries who have proven road safety record.

 

However, these are meaningless whilst corruption is rampant.

 

No amount of media releases by political morons playing at clowns will do anything to lower the roll toll.

You need only take a look at these three dunces to realise the futility of the government in trying to reduce the road toll.

 

1 minute ago, jesimps said:

In my opinion there are three ways to drastically cut down the road deaths here and improve the standards:

1)   Strong deterrents.

2)   Strict enforcement.

3)   Willingness to accept advice from countries who have proven road safety record.

 

However, these are meaningless whilst corruption is rampant.

 

I don't think it has anything to do with corruption, it is to do with the "don't give a sh_t attitude", and the attitude goes for most stuff here..

It will not improve until the national arrogance is fixed. 

 

From a place of humility, the country will then need to start reforming the entire system. 

 

Driving 

Autos

Roads 

Signage

Lighting

Laws

Policing 

Consistent enforcement and penalties 

 

It's all a total disaster and will take 30+ years to fix - whenever they actually start 

2 hours ago, Pravda said:

Will the sun raise tomorrow morning? 

Hope not , wishing for a cloudy day.

I think we found the sucker. Anyone up for a game of cards?

18 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

It will not improve until the national arrogance is fixed. 

 

From a place of humility, the country will then need to start reforming the entire system. 

 

Driving 

Autos

Roads 

Signage

Lighting

Laws

Policing 

Consistent enforcement and penalties 

 

It's all a total disaster and will take 30+ years to fix - whenever they actually start 

Close but not the correct reason.

Remember ALL Thais are Perfect, otherwise lose of Face.

So if you are Perfect in all your ways, You can never make mistakes, or learn from them.

Therefore, ALL Thais are Perfect Drivers, and will never admit otherwise.

Lose of Face is the Foundation for All that is Wrong in Thailand.

50 minutes ago, Is this real said:

Thailand could hire people, full time, to learn what laws there are for drivers.  Then they could enforce them.  People would eventually learn a safer way to drive.

No, they won't. When they're walking on the sidewalk, they're very carefull not to bump in to other pedestrians.

But, when they get in/on their vehicles, their minds change drastically.  Mental disorder.

1 minute ago, Chazar said:

nah they just squeal  like pigs  that theyre  poor. waste of  time.

Really..................Sort of... "Oink, oink"...........Hmmm, never heard that, is that how your extended family sound over cash lay out....? ????

The lack of political will; the lack of a trained, mobile, traffic enforcement branch; the lack of a public traffic education program; rampant corruption and distrust of proven, foreign based accident reduction programs all spell that the carnage will contnue.

6 minutes ago, Chazar said:

rubbish, as usual their  heads are buried in their phones and often bump into me.

...and what are your eyes focused on, if you can't avoid them?

Edited October 27, 20196 yr by Vacuum

58 minutes ago, transam said:

I don't think it has anything to do with corruption, it is to do with the "don't give a sh_t attitude", and the attitude goes for most stuff here..

Corruption, in its many forms, corrupts universally. To give a "sh_t", that behavior is often tied  to consequence of actions. When you can pay someone (authorities) to get out of consequence, then the attitude is to do what one likes. 

28 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

No, they won't. When they're walking on the sidewalk, they're very carefull not to bump in to other pedestrians.

But, when they get in/on their vehicles, their minds change drastically.  Mental disorder.

I agree with your 2 sentences. 

 

However, in some ways, they drive just like they walk - discombobulated, dawdling, suddenly and inexplicably changing direction, walking too close to each other, ect. 

 

One of my friends says they walk like ants, constantly almost bumping into each other and being forced to change direction. Extremely inefficient, like so many other habits. 

 

The only saving grace is that they do not walk aggressively - probably because it's simply too hot. 

 

Edited October 27, 20196 yr by Fex Bluse

1 minute ago, Benmart said:

Corruption, in its many forms, corrupts universally. To give a "sh_t", that behavior is often tied  to consequence of actions. When you can pay someone (authorities) to get out of consequence, then the attitude is to do what one likes. 

Where is the corruption when parents give underage kids the keys to a bike to go to school...?

Thai driving lesson number one:- Engage brain before engaging gear..... Nah, forget it, about as much chance as me becoming the next Pope.

Edited October 27, 20196 yr by DaRoadrunner

1 hour ago, Captain 776 said:

 

I rode all over the world for 49 yrs and 14 of those were here in Thailand without a scratch until Oct 2018.

 

Hung up my helmet = Done~!!!

 

Dont become a statistic.

That's interesting.  Would you mind describing the incident that happened in Oct 2018 that caused you to hang it up?  Just curious, because my riding history closely parallels yours except for the last part.  And my 45 years of riding has included some broken bones, bumps and bruises, all my own fault for not properly reading the road conditions.

Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.

11 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.

 

Yes but who has the.....

Most per day

Edited October 27, 20196 yr by meechai

4 hours ago, Chazar said:

i  don't  care  let  them  die.

I highly suspect this is the thought process of the 1-10% that control the country.  It is that upper slice of society that can/could change the driving habits of the masses. If most all those deaths are from the population that doesn't particularly count, then why fix something that isn't really broken. Could be that it is only a problem if affects the Hiso?

15 minutes ago, meechai said:

 

Yes but who has the.....

Most per day

India

8 minutes ago, Yinn said:

India

They trade 1st place with Thailand often

(use to be Libya too)

 

Suffice it to say neither is a safe place to be on the roads

Edited October 27, 20196 yr by meechai

1 minute ago, meechai said:

They trade 1st place with Thailand often

(use to be Libya too)

 

Suffice it to say neither is a safe place to be on the roads

No. China is second.

USA, Russia, Brazil, all more than Thailand. 

Thailand roads are less scary according to friends who travel a lot in S.E.A., not statistically but how they feel walking, riding and driving, 

24 minutes ago, Yinn said:

No. China is second.

USA, Russia, Brazil, all more than Thailand. 

Take a pull on yourself.Stop denying the obvious.Stop boring the planet with your obvious 'what aboutism"

 

Try being a 'developing nation' instead of a 3rd world one.

 

The stepdaughter lost a close friend last week-alcohol,speed and stupidity.

 

Get a grip on yourselves instead of indulging in the one and only form of Thai stupidity-"It's everyone else"

 

Or let the slaughter continue..

1 hour ago, Yinn said:

Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.

Which choice did you vote for? 

555

Who are the 2 people who click on " No, it will start to improve. " 

 

I guess one of them is Yinn but who is the other? 

 

In my opinion it will be worser, because all the people who driving motorbikes, especially young people, will drive soon cars.

And with the education about driving a car, it will go worser.

how in the hell can it get better when the police do not enforce the road rules as well as not being out on the roads pulling over drivers breaking the rules. Its absolutely pathetic the way many thais drive/ride, many dont have a licence, are under age and most have no idea what the road rules are. The arrogance of some drivers just makes it harder, overtaking on blind corners/double lines or with oncoming cars and they flash their lights expecting the cars to drive off the road for them, parking on the road because they dont want to walk too far to the shop, not giving way, driving through stop signs and red lights and the police just watch it happen. Driving/riding in Thailand is very dangerous, dont think I have ever had a drive where I havent had some idiot do something stupid/illegal and almost cause a crash if not for my reflexes. It will only get better when they enforce the laws and start seizing cars/bikes from the offenders as well as making them pay big fines

33 minutes ago, Yinn said:

No. China is second.

USA, Russia, Brazil, all more than Thailand. 

How many people in

USA ?   329,8 million  people

Russia ? 146.3 million people

Brazil ?  214,6 million people

 

and Thailand ? 69,6 million people 

 

 

You compare apples to pears;
 

on the other hand, if you take a country which has about the same number of inhabitants as Thailand,  France ( 66,99 million people ) will obtain a result somewhat different

 

Thailand ,about 26,000 dead on the road .( here they don't count the people who die in the ambulance and in the hospital during 30 days after the accident )

France  4 100 dead on the road and in the ambulance and in the hospital during the 30 days after the accident

 

In addition, road traffic is much more important in France than in Thailand;
without even the same measure

 

5 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

Good morning all,
I replied: Yes, it will continue to get worse .....

 

Until the government understands that this is a very serious social problem.
75% to 80% of fatal accidents involve motorcycles on which the workers of today and tomorrow drive.
Senior managers and executives generally ride in sedan which are involved in only a small percentage of fatal accidents.
As long as Thailand does not create a real road police and as long as school boys and girls will continue to learn songs and make knots and not much else at school, this country will continue to sink slowly but surely like its capital besides which sinks inexorably in the sea.

You forget to mention 2 thinks they learn: about Budha, and about the Royal family.