No kids venues such as resorts, hotels and restaurants.

[sunnyboy2018]

3 hours ago, androokery said:

Earplugs

I use earplugs but they have limited effect.

[sunnyboy2018]

13 hours ago, jastheace said:

i understand. you came to this part of thailand to avoid families. 

you came for what ?..... oh yeah , I get it

mong away...

I have travelled extensively both in Thailand and around the world. I had to leave a hotel in Phuket because of a noisy anti social family. I do not travel anywhere specifically to avoid familes I just wish they could be more respectful. But as many parents can not be respectful perhaps adult only areas should be introduced. Its called choice. The chaotic energy, mess and noise that familes and kids generate is really unpleasant. To the parents its normal but its horrible for other people. 'Children should be seen and not heard' used to be the maxim.

[sunnyboy2018]

12 hours ago, Tayaout said:

I hope your parent kept you at home. 

Its about choice. Places where kids are welcome and places that are for adults only. What don't you like about choice? What dont you like about civilised peace and quiet?

[Tayaout]

1 minute ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Its about choice. Places where kids are welcome and places that are for adults only. What don't you like about choice? What dont you like about civilised peace and quiet?

I like everything you describe including childrens. They don't bother me but when I want quiet I go somewhere where nobody goes like a mountain or a remote island. 

[sunnyboy2018]

5 hours ago, smutcakes said:

 

I cant say i have ever found children to be a notable nuisance anywhere i go here.

In hotels around the pool i like to see people having fun and enjoying themselves. If i want peace and quiet i can just go to my room.

Where are you experiencing all these annoying youngsters?

Flights, nearby hotel rooms  restaurants sometimes, some UK pubs. I have had several nightmares flights made unbearable by awful babies and toddlers. The H******r pub in Bangkok became a family venue on Sundays and it was ruined. In Pattaya my meal was spoilt by shrieking kids at a well known expensive Italian restaurant.  The family did not give a dam about the other customers. The same thing at a well know Scandinavian restaurant...crying baby. The parents were utterly shameless and did not give a toss anout other customers.

Edited November 20, 2019 by sunnyboy2018

[sunnyboy2018]

1 minute ago, Tayaout said:

I like everything you describe including childrens. They don't bother me but when I want quiet I go somewhere where nobody goes like a mountain or a remote island. 

Going to a remote  location does not guarantee anti social parents with noisy kids wont be around. You are missing the point or being obtus. A hotel could have one wing for familes and one for non families. for example. Same with restaurants.

[richard_smith237]

24 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

I use earplugs but they have limited effect.

Take a valium... in your perpetually sedated saft state you'll be far more tolerant of your surroundings !

[Tayaout]

Just now, sunnyboy2018 said:

Going to a remote  location does not guarantee anti social parents with noisy kids wont be around. You are missing the point or being obtus. A hotel could have one wing for familes and one for non families. for example. Same with restaurants.

I'm not obtus and understand and respect your opinion. What I meant is that when I want quiet I avoid any human altogether except if I bring some human with me. There is still plenty of place where nobody goes if it's hard to access. 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Going to a remote  location does not guarantee anti social parents with noisy kids wont be around. You are missing the point or being obtus. A hotel could have one wing for familes and one for non families. for example. Same with restaurants.

 

If the hotel is large enough, then yes, I think that's quite reasonable to have a 'non kids' wing or floor - some hotels  do this with Club Floors etc and Adults Pools. 

I've never seen adult segregation in restaurants - but really is it that much of a hardship to hear some children in a restaurant?

 

As much as it is commented on in threads such as this, very rarely do I see kids running around in restaurants. 

[sunnyboy2018]

4 hours ago, possum1931 said:

I have to say that in all the flights I have taken over the years, I have never had any kids annoy me at all, a few times there have been crying babies, but not enough to really annoy me.

I had a flight with a kid not stop crying for 7 hours. The grinning father walked all round the plane with it so waking up everybody on the plane.

on another flight the kid just slammed the tray up and down and the window cover too

In business one time a kid would not stop wriggling , shining lights on and, banging the tray down...I could go on but noisy kids on aircraft are a major cause of complaint among travelers...

[seajae]

as a grandfather a few times over I love kids but there is a limit to what they can get away with, here in Thailand I find a lot  of parents dont give a stuff what their kids do, running around in restaurants banging into other tables/people, yelling and generally making a nuisance  of themselves, throwing food on the floor and its not restricted to everyday restaurants. On planes you get them jumping on the seats and yelling when they dont get what they want, it seems a lot of thai parents have no idea how to admonish/control their kids or even want to,  consideration for other people doesnt come into it. This does happen the world over of course but it seems to happen a lot more here and it is a direct result of really bad parenting, I have  given kids dagger looks and they arent sure what to do and on more than one occasion I have said something to them, the parents have just ignored me but the kids have seen the way I look at them and gone very quiet, discipline of kids is not practiced by many here unfortunately but when kids do behave themselves they are fine and dont bother anyone. I can understand wanting kid free areas but sometimes it just isnt feasible

[sunnyboy2018]

29 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Take a valium... in your perpetually sedated saft state you'll be far more tolerant of your surroundings !

Its the kids who need the valium to calm them down OR have venues and areas that are child free zones. What dont you like about choice? Why do you seek to impose noise and chaos on me and people like me?

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Its the kids who need the valium to calm them down OR have venues and areas that are child free zones. What dont you like about choice? Why do you seek to impose noise and chaos on me and people like me?

Why do I seek to impose noise??? it is this exaggeration which outs you as someone who is highly intolerant of everything around them, even a balanced discussion. 

 

For the record: On flights both my Wife and I do everything in our power to occupy and keep our child relaxed. 

We only take day time flights which means stopping over at an Airport hotel on the way (i.e. UAE) to break up the journey and ensure we are all fully rested, relaxed and chilled. 

When our son was younger we always had milk at the ready to ease ear pressure.

We always had a couple of (quiet) toys / presents to give to our son for being well behaved etc and keep him occupied. 

The iPad and Earphones are perfect for a traveling child. 

 

That doesn't mean we won't hear another child elsewhere on the flight, sometimes a crying baby... in nearly all of the flights I have taken a baby is usually asleep after a 5 minute cry, its nothing noise cancelling headphones can't deal with. 

 

On a recent flight I sat next to a 5 year old who kept kicking me... it was obvious he was becoming a nuisance, his parents swapped so the kids father was sat next to me. I appreciated this, the rest of the flight was smooth. 

 

[richard_smith237]

22 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Its the kids who need the valium to calm them down OR have venues and areas that are child free zones. What dont you like about choice? Why do you seek to impose noise and chaos on me and people like me?

 

When my Son was about 1 year old, we were sleeping on a Finn Air flight - lie flat beds, my son was asleep on my chest. 

The flight attendant woke me up and asked me to be alert as a drunk passenger a few rows in front was getting aggressive and violent towards the crew. They were concerned that me may throw something or he could get physical and it could hurt my child.

People get drunk on planes and start talking too loudly. Or some idiot will watch something on his phone with the sound on. 

 

Recently in a restaurant I saw some drunk Westerners misbehaving, then one of them threw up in the wash-basin in the toilets.

I've seen drunk people get argumentative in restaurants, disregarding the other customers. 

 

Should we have alcohol free flights and alcohol free restaurants so our children are ears are free from potty mouth pi$$heads... or should we just be tolerant of others?

 

 

Edited November 20, 2019 by richard_smith237

[NoshowJones]

2 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

I had a flight with a kid not stop crying for 7 hours. The grinning father walked all round the plane with it so waking up everybody on the plane.

on another flight the kid just slammed the tray up and down and the window cover too

In business one time a kid would not stop wriggling , shining lights on and, banging the tray down...I could go on but noisy kids on aircraft are a major cause of complaint among travelers...

I don't dispute what you are saying, I am only talking about my experiences.

[sunnyboy2018]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Why do I seek to impose noise??? it is this exaggeration which outs you as someone who is highly intolerant of everything around them, even a balanced discussion. 

 

For the record: On flights both my Wife and I do everything in our power to occupy and keep our child relaxed. 

We only take day time flights which means stopping over at an Airport hotel on the way (i.e. UAE) to break up the journey and ensure we are all fully rested, relaxed and chilled. 

When our son was younger we always had milk at the ready to ease ear pressure.

We always had a couple of (quiet) toys / presents to give to our son for being well behaved etc and keep him occupied. 

The iPad and Earphones are perfect for a traveling child. 

 

That doesn't mean we won't hear another child elsewhere on the flight, sometimes a crying baby... in nearly all of the flights I have taken a baby is usually asleep after a 5 minute cry, its nothing noise cancelling headphones can't deal with. 

 

On a recent flight I sat next to a 5 year old who kept kicking me... it was obvious he was becoming a nuisance, his parents swapped so the kids father was sat next to me. I appreciated this, the rest of the flight was smooth. 

 

You are just being argumentative for the sake of it. You tell me to take medication because parents wont teach their children civilised behaviour and tolerance. You reject the idea of people unencumbered with children having their own space. You reject the idea of choice to meet the needs of people. Why do you seek to impose the noise, mess and squalor of anti social families on to me.  Designated areas,  zones, parts of restaurants, hotel etc can be calm zones that are child free. YOU will not be FORCED to use them unlike ME who is FORCED to suffer in silence as kids run riot  scream, cry thus dominating and taking over.

[sunnyboy2018]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

I don't dispute what you are saying, I am only talking about my experiences.

There's always a first time.

[sunnyboy2018]

4 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Going to a remote  location does not guarantee anti social parents with noisy kids wont be around. You are missing the point or being obtus. A hotel could have one wing for familes and one for non families. for example. Same with restaurants.

I am a city dweller. I should not be forced to travel to the outback, deserts, mountains or remote islands just to enjoy civilised surroundings free from kids and their attendant noise ane energy due to bad parenting. Let the noisy anti social families take their kids miles away! Adult spaces for adults. Family and kids spaces for kids. CHOICE for all.

Edited November 20, 2019 by sunnyboy2018

[sunnyboy2018]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

When my Son was about 1 year old, we were sleeping on a Finn Air flight - lie flat beds, my son was asleep on my chest. 

The flight attendant woke me up and asked me to be alert as a drunk passenger a few rows in front was getting aggressive and violent towards the crew. They were concerned that me may throw something or he could get physical and it could hurt my child.

People get drunk on planes and start talking too loudly. Or some idiot will watch something on his phone with the sound on. 

 

Recently in a restaurant I saw some drunk Westerners misbehaving, then one of them threw up in the wash-basin in the toilets.

I've seen drunk people get argumentative in restaurants, disregarding the other customers. 

 

Should we have alcohol free flights and alcohol free restaurants so our children are ears are free from potty mouth pi$$heads... or should we just be tolerant of others?

 

 

Aggressive   noisy drunks are FORBIDDEN by law from boarding aircraft. People who get drunk on the plane are fine if they are quiet. If noisy, the staff stop serving them and warn them. But parents of noisy kids should also be prevented from boarding an aircraft and if noisy during the flight they should be warned. Anti social drunks and anti social kids are both bad.

[richard_smith237]

13 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

You are just being argumentative for the sake of it. You tell me to take medication because parents wont teach their children civilised behaviour and tolerance. You reject the idea of people unencumbered with children having their own space. You reject the idea of choice to meet the needs of people. Why do you seek to impose the noise, mess and squalor of anti social families on to me.  Designated areas,  zones, parts of restaurants, hotel etc can be calm zones that are child free. YOU will not be FORCED to use them unlike ME who is FORCED to suffer in silence as kids run riot  scream, cry thus dominating and taking over.

I think you had a sense of humor failure on the 'valium comment' !!!...  That said, I used to bring Phenergan (which is an Antihistamine) with me on flights, it makes kids drowsy. If I noticed my son show signs of becoming irritable I would administer a minor dose. Some parents think this is atrocious as there have been reports of parents 'over dosing' their kids with the same medication - again, its all about responsible parenting and being considerate of those around you. 

 

I am out 2-3 times per week in restaurants. My Son has always sat there quite happily, right from the very start he's never been allowed to leave the table (unless at a buffet and escorted by an adult). I have never been an a restaurant where kids run riot. I have been in Sunday brunches where excited kids are enjoying themselves, these restaurants are set up for kids with play areas, clowns, balloons etc... 

 

I don't take my child to 'high-end restaurants' out of respect for the other patrons - there are places where its acceptable to take kids, others where its less acceptable (i.e. usually those with a dress code), a sensible parent will know the difference. 

Places like Cocotte in Bangkok are ok for kids, but I'd draw a line on the time, i.e.  6-7:30pm is ok, after which time it becomes more of a 'couples' or 'Adults only' place... which is fine by my because our child (6yrs old) is in bed by 7:30pm on a school night and perhaps a little later on the weekend. 

 

I also agree that large hotels could have non-kids floors and even restaurants have no kids zones - I think that fair enough. 

 

I'm entertained by the manner in which you exaggerate that you are FORCED to use a restaurant which has kids running riot, screaming, crying, dominating and taking over !!!... It would appear that you are eating in the middle of a McDonalds Birthday party !!

 

Your argument is a valid one when presented with balance, but your hyperbolae expresses an extreme level of negative bias to the point your points are weakened by emotion and exaggeration rather than strengthened with an intelligent logic. 

 

Now, just because I'm am responding it does not mean I'm being 'argumentative for the sake of it' - this is a webform and as such designed for discussion. 

 

What does interest me is how you've become so 'anti children' have your experiences been so damaged by terrible behavior of kids nearby that the mere sight of kids, even if silent and well behaved, still upsets you such that you can't enjoy your meal?

 

Kids are usually not allowed to the rooftop bars and restaurants - or at least there is an age limit (5 I think), but then you'll suffer from other things which may frustrate: everyone taking selfies etc.

 

You are in a minority (dislikes kids) but there are scores of places to eat at (especially in Bangkok) where kids are generally not taken and those who do are from sufficiently well heeled parents that their behavior is generally more considerate of those around such that you wouldn't notice their presence - these places are usually fairly expensive. 

 

If you are looking for cheap eats without kids - well that's more tough, as any business model attracting mass customers but excluding a major proportion of the population is doomed for failure. 

 

 

[sunnyboy2018]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think you had a sense of humor failure on the 'valium comment' !!!...  That said, I used to bring Phenergan (which is an Antihistamine) with me on flights, it makes kids drowsy. If I noticed my son show signs of becoming irritable I would administer a minor dose. Some parents think this is atrocious as there have been reports of parents 'over dosing' their kids with the same medication - again, its all about responsible parenting and being considerate of those around you. 

 

I am out 2-3 times per week in restaurants. My Son has always sat there quite happily, right from the very start he's never been allowed to leave the table (unless at a buffet and escorted by an adult). I have never been an a restaurant where kids run riot. I have been in Sunday brunches where excited kids are enjoying themselves, these restaurants are set up for kids with play areas, clowns, balloons etc... 

 

I don't take my child to 'high-end restaurants' out of respect for the other patrons - there are places where its acceptable to take kids, others where its less acceptable (i.e. usually those with a dress code), a sensible parent will know the difference. 

Places like Cocotte in Bangkok are ok for kids, but I'd draw a line on the time, i.e.  6-7:30pm is ok, after which time it becomes more of a 'couples' or 'Adults only' place... which is fine by my because our child (6yrs old) is in bed by 7:30pm on a school night and perhaps a little later on the weekend. 

 

I also agree that large hotels could have non-kids floors and even restaurants have no kids zones - I think that fair enough. 

 

I'm entertained by the manner in which you exaggerate that you are FORCED to use a restaurant which has kids running riot, screaming, crying, dominating and taking over !!!... It would appear that you are eating in the middle of a McDonalds Birthday party !!

 

Your argument is a valid one when presented with balance, but your hyperbolae expresses an extreme level of negative bias to the point your points are weakened by emotion and exaggeration rather than strengthened with an intelligent logic. 

 

Now, just because I'm am responding it does not mean I'm being 'argumentative for the sake of it' - this is a webform and as such designed for discussion. 

 

What does interest me is how you've become so 'anti children' have your experiences been so damaged by terrible behavior of kids nearby that the mere sight of kids, even if silent and well behaved, still upsets you such that you can't enjoy your meal?

 

Kids are usually not allowed to the rooftop bars and restaurants - or at least there is an age limit (5 I think), but then you'll suffer from other things which may frustrate: everyone taking selfies etc.

 

You are in a minority (dislikes kids) but there are scores of places to eat at (especially in Bangkok) where kids are generally not taken and those who do are from sufficiently well heeled parents that their behavior is generally more considerate of those around such that you wouldn't notice their presence - these places are usually fairly expensive. 

 

If you are looking for cheap eats without kids - well that's more tough, as any business model attracting mass customers but excluding a major proportion of the population is doomed for failure. 

 

 

Enough! So you agree with me. Just say so briefly. Cut out the rest of the guff, the incorrect presumptions, deflections, tedious examples of your blamelessness, laboured expanations and please! No more explanations of your wacky sense of humour!

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/20/2019 at 1:10 PM, Tayaout said:

I hope your parent kept you at home. 

No need to be sarky!

My parents didn't take me to restaurants- they left me with a baby sitter as it should be. Why do parents think they have a right to disrupt other people's enjoyment with their badly behaved offspring?

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'm entertained by the manner in which you exaggerate that you are FORCED to use a restaurant which has kids running riot, screaming, crying, dominating and taking over !!!... It would appear that you are eating in the middle of a McDonalds Birthday party !!

WRONG.

When I stayed in an hotel I was FORCED to use a particular restaurant as it was the only one for guests to have their paid for meals.

I was placed 

next to a family with screaming kids by stupid staff, and had to demand to be moved as far away from them as possible.

I suppose I could have looked for a restaurant outside the hotel, but why should I pay twice for meals?

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

What does interest me is how you've become so 'anti children' have your experiences been so damaged by terrible behavior of kids nearby that the mere sight of kids, even if silent and well behaved, still upsets you such that you can't enjoy your meal?

I chose not to have children, but well behaved children don't bother me. problem is parents now don't train their offspring to behave in public. It is of course the parent's fault that their children are ill behaved savages, but as nothing can be done about horrible children these days, the best to hope for is child free venues.

Only parents love THEIR children.

 

In Thailand children are not generally a problem. They don't get taken to restaurants except places like McDs, and are for the most part well behaved anyway. It's only western children that are horrible monsters in my experience.

 

[sunnyboy2018]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

WRONG.

When I stayed in an hotel I was FORCED to use a particular restaurant as it was the only one for guests to have their paid for meals.

I was placed 

next to a family with screaming kids by stupid staff, and had to demand to be moved as far away from them as possible.

I suppose I could have looked for a restaurant outside the hotel, but why should I pay twice for meals?

I chose not to have children, but well behaved children don't bother me. problem is parents now don't train their offspring to behave in public. It is of course the parent's fault that their children are ill behaved savages, but as nothing can be done about horrible children these days, the best to hope for is child free venues.

Only parents love THEIR children.

 

In Thailand children are not generally a problem. They don't get taken to restaurants except places like McDs, and are for the most part well behaved anyway. It's only western children that are horrible monsters in my experience.

 

I was on a cruise in Vietnam and a family of HiSo Burmese kids ran riot.  Spoit rotten, entitled, and noisy. The adults did nothing. Spare the rod and spoil the child!

Edited November 21, 2019 by sunnyboy2018

[sunnyboy2018]

And of course now we have the curse of 'Family Friendly ' Pubs and restaurants with a play area! So instead of using adult space as a way of teaching kids stillness,  quitness and adult trait they tell them adult relaxation space is kids play space. Its not. Thus I gave up on the excellent Steak house in Thapraya because of whinging kids, shrieking and crying actually being encouraged!

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

I was on a cruise in Vietnam and a family of HiSo Burmese kids ran riot.  Spoit rotten, entitled, and noisy. The adults did nothing. Spare the rod and spoil the child!

Probably true in Thailand as well, but I don't frequent places where hisos go.

I think you will find that rich people don't bring their children up. It's left to nannys that can't discipline them. Same problem in Saudi. 

[sunnyboy2018]

37 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Probably true in Thailand as well, but I don't frequent places where hisos go.

I think you will find that rich people don't bring their children up. It's left to nannys that can't discipline them. Same problem in Saudi. 

On a cruise in Vietnam its not possible to vet your fellow travellers in advance. They usually reflect the hotel guest demographic. Of the 20 people on the cruise the family were the only badly behaved people. It included backpackers,  Americans,  Indians,  elderly Singaporeans etc.  Horrible kids, arrogant parents.

[OneMoreFarang]

And worst case are ex-bar-girls who bring their kids to the bars where they used to work and show them to everyone. Isn't he such a cute boy? NO!

And obviously the staff, who think they own the place, forget all the paying customers and play with the kids. How lovely. Uag

[sunnyboy2018]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And worst case are ex-bar-girls who bring their kids to the bars where they used to work and show them to everyone. Isn't he such a cute boy? NO!

And obviously the staff, who think they own the place, forget all the paying customers and play with the kids. How lovely. Uag

Oh I dont mind that. The girls love it. Bars are allready noisy anyway. Its not fun for me but it doesnt bother me. I hate sport and Hip hop in bars

[thaibeachlovers]

13 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Oh I dont mind that. The girls love it. Bars are allready noisy anyway. Its not fun for me but it doesnt bother me. I hate sport and Hip hop in bars

I don't go anywhere that plays sport on a tv I can see, though so long as I can't see it OK, but I refuse to spend money anywhere that plays hip hop or rap as I can't ignore it.