Elon Musk could face defamation retrial as Brit diver's lawyer claims jury blundered

[monkfish]

So it seems Unsworth did have an Agent
What about this side of the story being presented on TV



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10161208/elon-musk-british-diver-pedo-guy-texts-cash/
 

[NoComment]

Who cares really!!

The UK scanner has already made a fortune off the press and he is making more everyday this endless and boring story continues.

He probably has enough money to retire should he wish.

Who knows he may be propping up a bar stool in LOS very soon.

[Just Weird]

5 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Insanely high damages claimed by Mr. Unsworth ... Why not just 1 million or so ?

If my reputation would be worth 190 millions , I would have lost it a long time ago , not care about anyway .

Unsworth initially asked for $75,000 so you need to ask his legal team to explain to you the meaning of, and the reason for, punitive damages.

Edited December 9, 2019 by Just Weird

[billd766]

5 hours ago, MasterBaker said:

i could understand that Brit will need to pay legal fees one way or another

I thought Vern was on a no win, no fee contract.

[Just Weird]

It appears that Unsworth would have been much better off if he had used the legal services and expertise of a bunch of ThaiVisa posters.  That's where he went wrong.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, ttrd said:

Hmm, Unsworth is the only one who still lives in the quarrel and that long after it ended. Now he tops it with greed and this he managed on his own - Do we see signs of attention urge ... ????

You might but not everybody else does.

[hugh2121]

Unsworth should take his case to the Thai court. Jail time for Musk.

 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, warrima said:

As i suspected Vernon has not come out of this looking good. Transcripts from his cross examination showed he had sent a significant number of sms relating to the rescue effort and the Musk case. They indicated he was planing to sue pretty much from day 1. He was very rude about the navy seals in one message using the bovine insult and refused interviews unless he was getting paid, telling them to FO if no payment was forthcoming. Also appears he had an agent scouting for (paid) opportunities while the rescue was still ongoing. The claim that Musk was promptly asked to leave the rescue site (Verns CNN interview) - was a straight up lie. On the contrary Musk was inside the cave for an hour with a high level thai official working on Plan B. A space x engineer (who Vern met) was looking for an alternative route for the sub to use.

 

All paints a picture that Vern was the one eyeing financial opportunities from the Cave Rescue. 

It might paint a picture for you but for me it is a painting by numbers picture with a lot of the numbers missing and a lot of numbers and paints mixed up.

[MarcB]

59 minutes ago, Dice Man said:

Ah! I understand now! Its perfectly ok to call Americans " PEDO GUY!!

Hello PEDO Guys ...cold this morning?

No i dont think you do understand.

He didnt say it's ok to call all Americans pedos.

Maybe read again...

He said there was no tangable damage to Vern

One of the main requirements in a defamation lawsuit.

This whole suit was a farce.

 

[AsianAtHeart]

11 minutes ago, hugh2121 said:

Unsworth should take his case to the Thai court. Jail time for Musk.

 

If that's how Thailand treated those who would magnanimously spend tens of thousands of dollars and sleepless nights to try to help Thai boys stuck in a Thai cave, I don't suppose that anyone would like to help again.  Musk was not against Thai people--why should they be against him?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, monkfish said:

Well that's Unbelievable! My opinion of him just dropped 1 level lower and it was already low.
Really is that what Heroes do lol.

Do you believe @warrima's post?

If so why has nobody else mentioned anything about the GoPro camera?

I believe that Vern had one as many of the other rescuers did. It would be a sort of sensible thing to use in cave diving and potholing.

[warrima]

19 minutes ago, billd766 said:

It might paint a picture for you but for me it is a painting by numbers picture with a lot of the numbers missing and a lot of numbers and paints mixed up.

Go read his texts! Monkfish has posted a link to some. Also google the court transcripts from his examination. Much of Verns focus was on monetization through interviews, book deals and movie deals. He even disses some of the (real) divers because they proceeded with interviews without him.  

[atyclb]

31 minutes ago, hugh2121 said:

Unsworth should take his case to the Thai court. Jail time for Musk.

 

 

before that to the united states supreme court

[Rimmer]

A troll/defamatory also off topic post removed

[monkfish]

28 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Do you believe @warrima's post?

If so why has nobody else mentioned anything about the GoPro camera?

I believe that Vern had one as many of the other rescuers did. It would be a sort of sensible thing to use in cave diving and potholing.

Check post 94 just above I mean previous page now.

Edited December 9, 2019 by monkfish

[leeneeds]

3 hours ago, Fred white said:

Look at some of the laws here (la majest) and other anti freedom of speech laws

Agreed 

[leeneeds]

5 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

There is a difference between name calling and inferring paedophilia! 

That shìt sticks!

I think it has all blown out of proportion 

if old mate got called that in the pub he would shake it off with some expletives, I see a money grab, if this slight was so terrible he would have to go to therapy and all the rest of drug induced functionality.

I am sure walking around Thailand he is just another farang.

[ThaiBunny]

1 minute ago, leeneeds said:

I think it has all blown out of proportion 

if old mate got called that in the pub he would shake it off with some expletives, I see a money grab, if this slight was so terrible he would have to go to therapy and all the rest of drug induced functionality.

I am sure walking around Thailand he is just another farang.

It plays into the general perception abroad that Thailand is a haven for pedo guys, like it or not

[monkfish]

22 minutes ago, warrima said:

Go read his texts! Monkfish has posted a link to some. Also google the court transcripts from his examination. Much of Verns focus was on monetization through interviews, book deals and movie deals. He even disses some of the (real) divers because they proceeded with interviews without him.  

Yea and probably why you won't see him in any film coz they refused his fee.
Lol and this is the guy we gave the MBE such low standards these days.

[DoktorC]

5 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

There is a difference between name calling and inferring paedophilia! 

That shìt sticks!

I seem to remember that Pete Townshend was arrested, plead guilty, and placed on the sex offenders registry in brit land for child porn.... I think he's still regarded as a top class musician.... don't hear the child porn thing discussed much anymore...

 

After a few years, Vern "the pedo guy" will be forgotten

[hugh2121]

31 minutes ago, AsianAtHeart said:

If that's how Thailand treated those who would magnanimously spend tens of thousands of dollars and sleepless nights to try to help Thai boys stuck in a Thai cave, I don't suppose that anyone would like to help again.  Musk was not against Thai people--why should they be against him?

Small change to a billionaire. Potential advertising? Enormous.

[ubonr1971]

Vern should have just been chasing a couple of million $ and then Musk would have settled out of court. Greed is a terrible thing

[AsianAtHeart]

4 minutes ago, hugh2121 said:

Small change to a billionaire. Potential advertising? Enormous.

So, if the hand that feeds you has too much food, it's okay to bite it?

[HHTel]

7 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

You are believing what a lawyer has stated. Never do that. These are the people who invented fake news.

 

This is the real reason he lost. And you notice how the Thai papers failed to mention that fact BTW - how much he was asking in damages.  I may dislike Elon but what do I think of Vern? No sympathy for the tyke scammer. Ho Ho Ho

 

 

 

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Mr Unsworth made a claim for £145million in damages but Mr Musk was cleared on Friday.

From what I understand from the story at it's outset.  Mr. Unsworth was only claiming 70,000 (just over 2 million baht) as that was the minimum claim for it to go to court.  The higher figures came from the lawyers.  I don't believe that Mr. Unsworth's intention was to get mega-rich from the case.

[justin case]

was vern working in thailand or retired ?

 

how much did he earn

 

how does he think his work / life is worth 4.5 billion baht in damages ?

 

 

[ParkerN]

The American jury trial is inherently biased according to the likes and dislikes of American jurors.The psychology of jurors everywhere (especially those who are not so bright or not so educated, is to make decisions based on body type, facial type and occupation rather than intellectual ability.

 

I have no doubt the Musk knew exactly whet he was saying and exactly what he was implying. He is also used to influencing people by the force of his own personality (vide persona). He is in very sore need a substantial bring-down.

 

Many people think that hyenas are ugly animals with ugly natures. Nevertheless, there are some folk who consider them beautiful.

 

Edited December 9, 2019 by ParkerN

[monkfish]

1 hour ago, HHTel said:

 

From what I understand from the story at it's outset.  Mr. Unsworth was only claiming 70,000 (just over 2 million baht) as that was the minimum claim for it to go to court.  The higher figures came from the lawyers.  I don't believe that Mr. Unsworth's intention was to get mega-rich from the case.

No that was just a trick in the wording and was in fact a minimum of $70,000 of course the lawyers would have got their cut but Unsworth would have the rest.

[Tofer]

8 hours ago, Time Traveller said:

Sounds like his lawyer just found another way to scam more money in lawyer fees out of poor ol' Vern.

 

I doubt very much that poor Vern will be paying any lawyer fees. I imagine it will be a no win no fee basis, hence the stupidly high damages sum claimed, and the pursuit of a new hearing.

 

That is unless Vern has more money than sense.....

[sanemax]

6 hours ago, MarcB said:

 

 

Or did Musk hit a personal snare by calling some 5 minute famer a pedo?

Are you making an accusation that a poster whom you replied to is a pedo?

[sanemax]

7 hours ago, BestB said:

Yes, because you are not implicating them directly. How readers interpret what they read is individually based on their perceptions , education and expectations .

 

one sentence can have 100 different meanings to 100 different people 

The tweet that Musk used just had the one meaning and its quite clear  what Musk was saying, and to who