UK PM Johnson plans to block extension of Brexit transition beyond 2020

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The differences in government are moot.

The WAB allows for the negotations to be conducted in secrecy on the UK part.

With no Parliamentary vote or ratification

Conducted in secrecy as far as the UK public is concerned.

Not in secrecy within the Conservative party. 

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I am saying you shouldn't use weak and flimsy arguments to stand in the way of democracy.

Your words "flimsy arguments," the truth of the matter is, it all depends who says it. When David Cameron said on the EU referendum that "this would be a once in a life time and what you decide will be enacted on" we believed him, now if you or I had said it nobody would have took a blind bit of notice of us, so your analogy of your Florida holiday doesn't really hold much water.

[david555]

2 hours ago, englishoak said:

 

Agreed, stinks of pa laa

Here came the varnish of from "the English Gentleman 's cover ", showing the natural rough  underground in that comment....

Edited December 21, 2019 by david555

[nauseus]

23 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Do agree they are a pain, but in some situations a link is required. And if the link information is in a PDF, what is your alternative?

Ignore it, simps!

[RuamRudy]

Just now, vogie said:

Your words "flimsy arguments," the truth of the matter is, it all depends who says it. When David Cameron said on the EU referendum that "this would be a once in a life time and what you decide will be enacted on" we believed him, now if you or I had said it nobody would have took a blind bit of notice of us, so your analogy of your Florida holiday doesn't really hold much water.

The bills approved by parliament are what we should be using to define our democratic process, not the utterances and remarks of individuals. What David Cameron or Alex Salmond may or may not have said is irrelevant in our parliamentary democracy.

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, david555 said:

that's all about the Brexit was meant  for..... 

I think you mean the GE?

[david555]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

I think you mean the GE?

No the Brexit , but the GE made it …(temporary …)

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

The bills approved by parliament are what we should be using to define our democratic process, not the utterances and remarks of individuals. What David Cameron or Alex Salmond may or may not have said is irrelevant in our parliamentary democracy.

What politians say determines the way we vote, many listened to Salmon and Cameron and made their decision on their spoken words. 

Edited December 21, 2019 by vogie

[david555]

42 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Do agree they are a pain, but in some situations a link is required. And if the link information is in a PDF, what is your alternative?

Links don't stay alive forever , newspaper links change very quick sometimes because their changed web pages layout , and some here call in last resort if they don't like the topic,... for links...

I find pdf very handy , as can show the whole article and highlight the important lines .

Above all  anyone can choose to read , or to ignore ….. don't like the courtesy ??

Edited December 21, 2019 by david555

[cleopatra2]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

Your words "flimsy arguments," the truth of the matter is, it all depends who says it. When David Cameron said on the EU referendum that "this would be a once in a life time and what you decide will be enacted on" we believed him, now if you or I had said it nobody would have took a blind bit of notice of us, so your analogy of your Florida holiday doesn't really hold much water.

David Cameron comment was obviously a figure of speech. 

If it was to be taken literal should the voters who participsted in 1975 have been excluded. They have had 2 votes on the issue

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

What politians say determines the way we vote, many listened to Salmon and Cameron and made their decision their spoken words. 

Johnson and Farage were claiming before the Brexit referendum that we would be staying in the single market.

Now it seems we are not. Except for Northern Ireland obviously. Which was something Johnson said would never happen.

 

 

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

David Cameron comment was obviously a figure of speech. 

If it was to be taken literal should the voters who participsted in 1975 have been excluded. They have had 2 votes on the issue

It appears to have been a "figure of speech" for a hell of a lot of politians, and they all appear sincere in what they are saying, so away with this nonsense and "Lets Get Brexit Done"

 

 

[englishoak]

35 minutes ago, david555 said:

Here came the varnish of from "the English Gentleman 's cover ", showing the natural rough  underground in that comment....

 

Naaa its just my British humour, you must be German or something to not get the joke. the womans a loser and hugely unpopular in her own country and it does stink shes been Appointed leader of the EU.. like Gollum Verhofstadt is a loser in his.. its the agenda that matters to the EU not legitimate elected leaders ..thats a great reason not to have any respect for these lunatic cultists... and i dont. 

 

Anyways we are off, the likes of socialist/commies PC globalist nuts cant stand it and Im very happy with all the saltiness..its hilarious to me. 

 

Once again.. We are leaving and taking our money and economy with us... have fun keeping the EU afloat with 25 parasites out of 27... maybe you can get Turkey in to help we dont need them next year because ours voted for Xmas.... ( thats a British  joke btw  and in no way is meant to offend any Turkeys just in case you need the guidline )

 

St Georges Day 2020 is going to be Epic lol 

 

[david555]

5 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

Naaa its just my British humour, you must be German or something to not get the joke. the womans a loser and hugely unpopular in her own country and it does stink shes been Appointed leader of the EU.. like Gollum Verhofstadt is a loser in his.. its the agenda that matters to the EU not legitimate elected leaders ..thats a great reason not to have any respect for these lunatic cultists... and i dont. 

 

Anyways we are off, the likes of socialist/commies PC globalist nuts cant stand it and Im very happy with all the saltiness..its hilarious to me. 

 

Once again.. We are leaving and taking our money and economy with us... have fun keeping the EU afloat with 25 parasites out of 27... maybe you can get Turkey in to help we dont need them next year because ours voted for Xmas.... ( thats a British  joke btw  and in no way is meant to offend any Turkeys just in case you need the guidline )

 

St Georges Day 2020 is going to be Epic lol 

 

Only Guy Fawkes is absent in this !….. my black humor ...cheers

[englishoak]

1 hour ago, Pattaya46 said:

I see you were wise enough to not say of which year... 

 

2020.. its now certain enough for me... its the bill passing that mattered most, the rest is semantics but the bill passing makes it law we leave and thats now done.

 

There is no point pretending this parliament is anything like the last 3, the quicker people wake up and realise things will now move at fast pace with a massive majority support that makes it almost unstoppable the better..

 

Boris has a majority size only Blair and Thatcher have had and both totally transformed the UK... and its barely week one of at least a 5 year term ... get ready for a new Britain, good or bad its happened already. 

[DannyCarlton]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

I must boldy disagree - there will be some version of a deal - I think both sides realise that neither of them can afford not to have one.

I think that Johnson realises that he can't afford to have one. His backers will ensure that he is found dead in a ditch if we leave with anything but no deal. it would cost them many millions. Why do you think that he brought a bill in to ensure that there would be no extension to the negotiations?

[david555]

2 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

2020.. its now certain enough for me... its the bill passing that mattered most, the rest is semantics but the bill passing makes it law we leave and thats now done.

 

There is no point pretending this parliament is anything like the last 3, the quicker people wake up and realise things will now move at fast pace with a massive majority support that makes it almost unstoppable the better..

 

Boris has a majority size only Blair and Thatcher have had and both totally transformed the UK... and its barely week one of at least a 5 year term ... get ready for a new Britain, good or bad its happened already. 

BTW  are the sculptors already started his statue  for in the HOC lobby …? 

[englishoak]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

Only Guy Fawkes is absent in this !….. my black humor ...cheers

You cant say that anymore, EU equal diversity and hate speech laws directive 3678 c makes its racist.   ❄️????

[billd766]

13 hours ago, david555 said:

your quote " rules can be changed ".....but apparently only when it suits the English that's what I meant ,

 

BTW  the bill is voted , congratulations , now the real hard stuff comes to deal with ...  

Of course the hard stuff comes now. It couldn't come before as there was NO WA under Theresa May, and the MPs plus the courts scuppered the first one under Boris.

 

Now the election is over and Boris is back with an overall majority Brexit can gat back on track after 3 1/2 wasted years.

 

All the Tory defecting MPs who stood for election were rejected by the public vote and are now out of parliament and will have to find some nice employer who is willing to give them a job.

 

BTW the people who voted Brexit the first time around, and again in the election were joined by even more voters to see Brexit through.

 

The Remainers lost once again but many still don't understand democracy and cannot accept the result.

[david555]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

Of course the hard stuff comes now. It couldn't come before as there was NO WA under Theresa May, and the MPs plus the courts scuppered the first one under Boris.

 

Now the election is over and Boris is back with an overall majority Brexit can gat back on track after 3 1/2 wasted years.

 

All the Tory defecting MPs who stood for election were rejected by the public vote and are now out of parliament and will have to find some nice employer who is willing to give them a job.

 

BTW the people who voted Brexit the first time around, and again in the election were joined by even more voters to see Brexit through.

 

The Remainers lost once again but many still don't understand democracy and cannot accept the result.

I think in a not so far future (month's) this kind of defense shall be used & confronted the U.K. eg. the English  with it 

[billd766]

10 hours ago, david555 said:

Which one the first or the last or both …?

As I hear Boris does not wish alignment with the E.U. eg. total freedom …. total freedom is ….alone on your own , I think you agree with that ,he start more and more directing to no deal ….. so you know that the E.U. go never accept many things he insist /change /lies or whatever say since he  got that boost election winning , but the winning was in the U.K. …...not on the E.U. continent , now your Boris go play " a home game only" probably 

 

PS: maybe I listened to much to Boris speeches so from their maybe the "bold" ….LOL 

 

Be sure it will end in no deal like he wish all along , the " reasonable Boris" was only a election tactics to win the moderated ones ….smart move I admit ….. but he go get the reckoning from the people later ...

I listened to many politicians pre election promises and didn't believe any of them as none were in power. Now that Boris and the Tories have been returned with an overall majority, the Queen's speech has been delivered, perhaps the country will get behind Boris and get Brexit finally dealt with so that we can ALL get on with our lives.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Johnson said "dead in a ditch" but hes still walking around.

Is it only those who you disagree with who should be held to metaphorical account? 

Not at all.

 

But when a leader makes a statement like that I do expect them to keep it

 

Don't you expect the truth from politicians?

[englishoak]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

I think in a not so far future (month's) this kind of defense shall be used & confronted the U.K. eg. the English  with it 

I agree.

 

There is no doubt the Tory party now owns Brexit and the UKs future success or failure 100%.  They will be judged at the ballot box in the future. Personally i see a great opportunity at a perfect time but its all for Boris now to make or lose. 

 

Im sure you wish us well and prosperous future as I do all nations. 

[david555]

11 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I listened to many politicians pre election promises and didn't believe any of them as none were in power. Now that Boris and the Tories have been returned with an overall majority, the Queen's speech has been delivered, perhaps the country will get behind Boris and get Brexit finally dealt with so that we can ALL get on with our lives.

It is only now go start for real I think ,as the E.U. has not to withhold themselves anymore  , nor hope to keep you in (foolish thought I found ) ,they only loose 1 member , let it be an important one (!), but less important than they think about themselves , as we trade on further with27 for a 70 country's trade deals  , while U.K. loose 27 + 70 (for the moment at least) ….prepare yourself is my advice 

International exchange rate GBP 39.28 (not in Thailand )

Edited December 21, 2019 by david555

[billd766]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

It appears to have been a "figure of speech" for a hell of a lot of politians, and they all appear sincere in what they are saying, so away with this nonsense and "Lets Get Brexit Done"

 

 

And politicians expect the people to believe and trust them.

 

That clip makes it clear what their promises are worth.

 

Twice the square root of frak all.

[billd766]

7 minutes ago, englishoak said:

I agree.

 

There is no doubt the Tory party now owns Brexit and the UKs future success or failure 100%.  They will be judged at the ballot box in the future. Personally i see a great opportunity at a perfect time but its all for Boris now to make or lose. 

 

Im sure you wish us well and prosperous future as I do all nations. 

They were judged at the election last week and given a lot of support from the voters who are the people who really matter.

[englishoak]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

It is only now go start for real I think ,as the E.U. has not to withhold themselves anymore  , nor hope to keep you in (foolish thought I found ) ,they only loose 1 member , let it be an important one (!), but less important than they think about themselves , as we trade on further with27 for a 70 country's trade deals  , while U.K. loose 27 + 70 (for the moment at least) ….prepare yourself is my advice 

International exchange rate GBP 39.28 (not in Thailand )

 

I think you will find we will be just fine.. you have to look outside the box, we can the EU cant.

 

Exchange rate that upsets expats does not mean its a bad for the country in trade... ask China. 

[david555]

9 minutes ago, englishoak said:

I agree.

 

There is no doubt the Tory party now owns Brexit and the UKs future success or failure 100%.  They will be judged at the ballot box in the future. Personally i see a great opportunity at a perfect time but its all for Boris now to make or lose. 

 

Im sure you wish us well and prosperous future as I do all nations. 

Of course I wish you well in solitude on foggy island …. on condition you set those Scots free , the N. Irish have that already halfway ...

 

 

[englishoak]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Of course I wish you well in solitude on foggy island …. on condition you set those Scots free , the N. Irish have that already halfway ...

 

 

 

Thats not upto me im a supporter of Scotland going as im an English nationalist... however, they were clearly told and agreed with it being a once in a generation option... they already chose to stay. I cant argue with the peoples choice and they spoke clearly. 

 

As for solitude you have to be joking, theres the commonwealth and the EU and all the rest we have been in relations with for hundreds of years and will continue to be... we are leaving the EU not planet earth. 

[david555]

4 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

I think you will find we will be just fine.. you have to look outside the box, we can the EU cant.

 

Exchange rate that upsets expats does not mean its a bad for the country in trade... ask China. 

about their exchange rate and your quoting they shall be very happy and understanding to read that ????, but of course all have fat pensions as all here are SAS forces here ….. at least on Soi Buakhao area  AND not frozen …, so overwhelming happy with the Boris victory exchange rate result... and it is just only a few day ...