nauseus Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 12/29/2019 at 11:19 AM, bannork said: Surely no one 'reads' The Sunday Express. So who are you shooting at then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkg Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 11 hours ago, bannork said: A sensitive reaction from the Brexiteers. Try not to shoot the messenger, rather listen to his message. You're not going to be controlling British waters. The French will be. The shame, the horror.... A Youtube video is hardly a reliable factual source. Here's a quote from the government white paper on fisheries: Quote Given the heavy reliance on UK waters of the EU fishing industry (on average between 2012 and 2016 other EU Member States’ vessels landed in the region of 760,000 tonnes of fish (£540 million revenue)), as well as the importance of EU waters to the UK (UK vessels landed approximately 90,000 tonnes of fish (£110 million revenue) in other Member States’ waters per year in the same time period), it is in both our interests to reach a deal that works for the UK and the EU’s fishing communities. https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/fisheries-white-paper-sustainable-fisheries-for-future-generations/sustainable-fisheries-for-future-generations-consultation-document The EU caught £540 million of fish per year in UK waters. The UK caught £110 million of fish per year in EU waters. Have a guess who has the strongest bargaining position when the UK leaves the EU. Hint - it's not the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkg Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 12/28/2019 at 9:06 PM, bannork said: 45% of UK exports to the EU. 8% of EU exports to the UK. Guess who's gonna get hit hardest by tariffs? UK exports to the EU - £291 billion/year EU exports to the UK - £357 billion/year The EU don't actually want to lose £357 billion/year in exports. Germany in particular would lose a lot of money. Since Germany is the de facto leader of the EU, you can be sure that a deal will be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, nkg said: UK exports to the EU - £291 billion/year EU exports to the UK - £357 billion/year The EU don't actually want to lose £357 billion/year in exports. Germany in particular would lose a lot of money. Since Germany is the de facto leader of the EU, you can be sure that a deal will be made. But the UK exports of 357 billion pounds to the EU comprise 45% of our total exports whilst the 357 billion pounds of the EU is only 8% of the EU's exports. Germany would be hit, yes, but the UK would be hit much more by no deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, nkg said: A Youtube video is hardly a reliable factual source. Here's a quote from the government white paper on fisheries: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/fisheries-white-paper-sustainable-fisheries-for-future-generations/sustainable-fisheries-for-future-generations-consultation-document The EU caught £540 million of fish per year in UK waters. The UK caught £110 million of fish per year in EU waters. Have a guess who has the strongest bargaining position when the UK leaves the EU. Hint - it's not the EU. The problem is we have to export our fish to the EU, there is not enough demand at home. And if we leave with no deal, those fish will become more expensive for the EU with tariffs. Taking back control.....https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/french-company-wins-licence-to-monitor-british-fishing-boats-5dk8wp6gr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, bannork said: But the UK exports of 357 billion pounds to the EU comprise 45% of our total exports whilst the 357 billion pounds of the EU is only 8% of the EU's exports. Germany would be hit, yes, but the UK would be hit much more by no deal. Germany is teetering on recession and basically runs and funds the EU (along with the French). If they will be hit hard (which they will) by no deal then they will make a deal. The fact that all the spongers (net beneficiaries) that they fund do not export to the UK is of no interest to them. He who pays, decides. Germany needs the UK, so the EU needs the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, bannork said: The problem is we have to export our fish to the EU, there is not enough demand at home. And if we leave with no deal, those fish will become more expensive for the EU with tariffs. Taking back control.....https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/french-company-wins-licence-to-monitor-british-fishing-boats-5dk8wp6gr Yes, it's a huge bargaining chip for the UK. If the EU price out UK fish with tariffs we can offer them tarriff free as a sweetener on a trade deal with other countries. Meanwhile we respond to their tariffs by taxing German cars and French wine. Or we can allow the EU to continue to fish our waters in exchange for concessions on other issues. Win win. The EU is bricking it since the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 ...as are the 'Hard Rejoiners' ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, bannork said: The problem is we have to export our fish to the EU, there is not enough demand at home. And if we leave with no deal, those fish will become more expensive for the EU with tariffs. Taking back control.....https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/french-company-wins-licence-to-monitor-british-fishing-boats-5dk8wp6gr Fisheries "monitors" are not responsible for applying tariffs and do not collect them either. The EU needs the fish and it will buy them if it has to, even if they are more expensive. Wake up and smell the fish market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 2:42 PM, Pattaya46 said: Hi. I just read on the BBC site about all the promises Boris Johnson made in recent days, and I just wonder: How will he pay all that?? He talked about money this year (with UK still with EU) for NHS, schools, minimum salary, science/research, infrastructures, … Is UK budget so easily extensible ? Did you read what the Labour promises would have cost the UK, plus the extra cost of remaining in the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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