Pakistan court hands down death sentence to scholar accused of blasphemy

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Opl said:

Blasphemy laws provide all Muslims living in no-muslim countries an easy excuse to terror attacks committed in and against their host countries. We've seen it in France. Proof if any that these people put Sharia first. What happens in Muslim countries where the populations support these laws is up to them.

These people? If that were the case we’d all be dead by now.

[Opl]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

These people? If that were the case we’d all be dead by now.

tell it to the victims

[Sujo]

22 minutes ago, Opl said:

tell it to the victims

There are victims from all religions. But i wont say all christians are terrorists.

[Opl]

14 minutes ago, Sujo said:

We in malaysia have a lot higher. Still it doesnt affect me.

 

Are you not allowed to eat pork or drink because of sharia law in france?

To stay on topic, I will repeat that in France , Charlie Hebdo team has been targeted in the name of Blasphemy laws.

France has no Blasphemy Law but Freedom of the press, and strict separation of Religion and State.

Those who said Charlie Hebdo deserved it are those who put Sharia Law first. And the sentence was delivered without court. 

Edited December 26, 2019 by Opl

[Lacessit]

A good reason not to visit any of these s##tholes where barbarism is still practised in the name of religion.

Arab scholars were once the best scientists in the world - mathematicians, physicians, astronomers engineers, etc. They lost their way when study of the Koran, and authoring hadith became their main raison d'etre.

 

[Opl]

28 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

A good reason not to visit any of these s##tholes where barbarism is still practised in the name of religion.

Arab scholars were once the best scientists in the world - mathematicians, physicians, astronomers engineers, etc. They lost their way when study of the Koran, and authoring hadith became their main raison d'etre.

 

I agree, it's terrible how religious extremists exploit blasphemy laws

And not only in Pakistan.

Blasphemy cases are effective tools to mobilise and agitate Muslims. They seek to expand political power via mass rallies and they promote the use of shari’a, or Islamic law

ex: "In 2016, a Buddhist woman, Meliana, complained about the volume of the call to prayer from a neighboring mosque in Tanjung Balai, North Sumatra. Her private request prompted Muslim mobs to attack her house, and burn and ransack 14 Buddhist temples"

 

Blasphemy is a crime not only in Pakistan, but Europe too

Edited December 26, 2019 by Opl

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Opl said:

God save us from Sharia Law courts in the West ... 

Sharia Courts in Western countries only apply to civil matters, but are still subject to compliance to Common Law e.g. the UK there is not plurality of judicial systems. Basically the same as Beth Din Jewish civil Courts which no-one seems to complain about.

[Krataiboy]

3 hours ago, Sujo said:

I dont think you need to be concerned of sharia law in the west, doesnt affect non muslims.

Being dhimmi does.

[jak2002003]

I never understand why they kill people who commit 'blasphemy'.  Surely their all powerful god would just kill the person and would not need little humans to do it for him.  If people keep blaspheming all over the place and god does nothing, then that shows he is not bothered by it, or, he does not exist.  If he is so insecure he can't take some insults he is not worthy to be a god.  

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

[ivor bigun]

On 12/26/2019 at 5:52 PM, simple1 said:

Sharia Courts in Western countries only apply to civil matters, but are still subject to compliance to Common Law e.g. the UK there is not plurality of judicial systems. Basically the same as Beth Din Jewish civil Courts which no-one seems to complain about.

There is a reason we never complain about Jewish civil courts or Jews,is because in Britain they are peacful ,go about their daily business without killing ,bombing us or constantly demanding special privlages ,please do not reply to this as we all know your feelings towards muslims .

[simple1]

5 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

There is a reason we never complain about Jewish civil courts or Jews,is because in Britain they are peacful ,go about their daily business without killing ,bombing us or constantly demanding special privlages ,please do not reply to this as we all know your feelings towards muslims .

Nonsensical reply. All you are doing is smearing all Muslims which is contrary to forum rules. 

[Orton Rd]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Nonsensical reply. All you are doing is smearing all Muslims which is contrary to forum rules. 

All you do is excuse Islam for it's many faults and the killings in it's name. You have never once condemned the disgraceful conduct of the prophet who killed to promote his religion, stole, owned slaves, had multiple wives including a 6 year old and whose crazy 'revelations' are the inspiration for so much hate and death in the world.

Edited December 29, 2019 by Orton Rd

[Sujo]

On 12/26/2019 at 7:33 PM, jak2002003 said:

I never understand why they kill people who commit 'blasphemy'.  Surely their all powerful god would just kill the person and would not need little humans to do it for him.  If people keep blaspheming all over the place and god does nothing, then that shows he is not bothered by it, or, he does not exist.  If he is so insecure he can't take some insults he is not worthy to be a god.  

The blasphemy is not against the god. Its against the prophet.

[spiekerjozef]

The deodorant salesman won't be happy

[ivor bigun]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

Nonsensical reply. All you are doing is smearing all Muslims which is contrary to forum rules. 

yes ,nice try ,i am not smearing all muslims as i am sure many are decent honest people ,but from what we see ,and hear about their religion and how many many of them go about practising it ,well we can see for ourselves .

[ivor bigun]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

The blasphemy is not against the god. Its against the prophet.

so telling the truth about what he was and what he did can get you killed?

[Opl]

On 12/26/2019 at 7:29 AM, simple1 said:

As I said those from the Salifi ideological background (extremist conservatism), not all Muslims. Thailand has had Sharia Law Courts for Muslims since 1948, so far as I know not one trial for blasphemy. In any case fortunately death sentence for blasphemy are rare and limited to few Muslim majority countries. In the case of the OP it presents as personal vendetta by a group of Salifi extremists. One hopes the guy wins on appeal, but a dangerous course of action by his very brave legal representatives. Note so far thankfully  Pakistan has not executed anyone for blasphemy. More detail below...

 

https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/after-the-junaid-hafeez-verdict-time-to-face-the-truth-about-pakistans-blasphemy-law/

Thankfully the Netherlands stand up for their values

“The suspect has indicated in several conversations that killing Wilders would be a good deed. he was angered by the right-wing populists ‘draw Mohammad’ free speech event He also said that this trial gives him a positive image in Pakistan, “If he had succeeded in his plan, he would not only have taken away the lives of Wilders. The attack would also have had a huge impact on Dutch democratic society,” the court said. 

A Dutch court sentenced a Pakistani migrant to ten years in prison for planning to murder populist PVV leader Geert Wilders.

Edited December 29, 2019 by Opl