The most problems I've ever had in Thailand are in relation to dogs.

[Thingamabob]

On 12/28/2019 at 12:02 PM, GalaxyMan said:

I've never been in any country that did any such thing.

 

Why do people insist on holding the Thai people to a Western standard? W.T.F. is wrong with you people? Do they treat their animals well? Not really. Is it really any different from most other countries? No, with the usual exceptions in North America and Northern Europe.

 

That said, there are a couple of howlers on our street that we have considered feeding special 'treats'. I hate dogs. I'm a pusssy man through and through. ????

People who hate dogs are dangerously unbalanced and need help.

[GalaxyMan]

3 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

People who hate dogs are dangerously unbalanced and need help.

I have about as much use for a useless animal like a dog as I do for stupid opinions. ???? Being a slave to an animal. How stupid can you get?

[Chazar]

On 12/28/2019 at 10:34 AM, ubonr1971 said:

Oh no we dont want to do that.

yeah,  costs  money and when they cant even buy a light bulb to save their  own life on a motorbike,  youve  got  no chance of anything sensible  like a  humping  dog........... however youmake one big  mistake.............replace ignorant with lazy

[Chazar]

On 12/28/2019 at 11:32 AM, hyku1147 said:

The dogs were semi-domesticated - thus harmless;

oh  really,  thats what they all say  right  up to the time some kid loses its  life.

[Chazar]

12 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

People who hate dogs are dangerously unbalanced and need help.

People who hate  dog  haters are dangerously  unbalanced and need help

[richard_smith237]

On 12/28/2019 at 11:55 AM, Gweiloman said:

Sorry to say this but if you can’t tell the difference between a golden retriever and a Labrador, then you know very little about dogs. 
 

Both breeds are large breeds so their barks are loud. Blame nature if you must. It is highly unlikely that either breed will be able to jump the fence unless it is only 2 feet tall or the dogs have been specially trained. Even if they do manage to come out, the main danger to your child would be being licked to death. 

Unfortunately a rather typical 'dog owners' response...  Are you suggesting that a Golden Retriever or Labrador would never bite a person (or child) ???? if so you are wrong. 

 

Are you also suggesting that a Golden Retriever or Labrador's are incapable of jumping a standard 3ft gate? if so, you are wrong again. 

 

You may be guilty of your comments in that you know very little about dogs if you don't believe either of the above are possible. 

 

 

I am not ready to hang my son's welfare on probability or the 'unlikeliness' of something happening. 

 

Would you really feel comfortable allowing your child to walk unsupervised past a house whose dog barks loudly at them when passing - this dog presents a risk, it is people like you of the 'false belief' that something serious could never happen which contribute to these tragic stories. 

 

There is also a degree of imbalance in suggesting that the main danger to my child is being 'licked' - why do dog owners always make this comment as if its acceptable? - I don't want a dog which barks at my son to get anywhere near him, let alone lick him. 

 

I don't like being licked by dogs either, if I human licked me there would be a reaction, so why is it ok for a dog to lick a stranger? "oh, he's just saying hello!" I don't care, I don't want to be licked by an animal, I don't want my child to be placed at risk near our own home in our own street, I don't want to hear a dog barking unnecessarily because we are walking in the street (on the opposite side of the road I might add).

 

There is no excuse for poorly trained animals, the owners are to blame - there should be no tolerance for any animals which can potentially pose a risk to children. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chazar]

19 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Good man. We need more like you on these pages, and in Thailand generally.

Do  you also pay the  bills when it runs into the road   and someone falls  off their bike? I mean if  your going to "take  care"

[jimn]

1 hour ago, Fairynuff said:

You want to live in Thailand but not amongst Thai people? I find that disgusting. A few clues from your post too, all of which point to you really being not very nice.

Lol, we have a mind reader here. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LaVvSIT_8&feature=share

 

[GalaxyMan]

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I don't like being licked by dogs either

No kidding, especially since the last thing the dog probably licked was its balls. ????

[Chazar]

6 hours ago, Fairynuff said:

Seems to me that the problem is more with you than the dogs. I don’t however advocate killing people who don’t like dogs.

You  might if  I  bit  you on the ankles and  had aids  though

[richard_smith237]

On 12/28/2019 at 12:18 PM, hyku1147 said:

On 12/28/2019 at 9:31 AM, richard_smith237 said:

What part of 'Semi' do you not understand???

 

Semi-domestication: a captive state of a wild animal in which its living conditions and often its breeding are controlled by humans.

 

You want to believe that animals you have partial control over cannot hurt a child. Many dog owners think like this. 

 

I've only ever met two dog owners who face the risks of dog ownership with full intelligence and logic. Their comments to me were along the lines of "please keep an extra eye open with your son, our dog is extremely well trained, but its still a dog, there is always a risk it can bite, even in play"

 

But, the issue here is not dog owners, its stray dogs causing problems, dogs without owners or in your case, dogs with 'partial ownership'

 

I ask again, if your 'semi-domesticated' dog bit a child would you take responsibility? or, would you hide like many of these 'part time carers' for dogs only to surface for compensation when the stray is hit by a car.

So, do you think that my adopted dogs deserved to be eaten alive?

Once they were killed, the territorial void was filled by a pack of dangerous wild dogs - that killed the only semi-domesticated dog that escaped the developer's men.

 

This discussion was between another member, and I, so go start trouble somewhere else.

 

[This discussion was between another member, and I, so go start trouble somewhere else]. - You mean you want to cherry pick your arguments because you are incapable of holding intelligent debate with someone who can pick holes in your opinion? You admitted that 'your dog' is 'semi-domesticated', so it is 'semi-not-domesticated', its partially wild then!

 

You have suggested I start trouble somewhere else [although I never considered a discussion / debate on a public forum designed for such, as 'trouble], you have also asked me questions. So which is it, go elsewhere or entertain your questions ???

 

I'll answer your questions directly: 

 

[So, do you think that my adopted dogs deserved to be eaten alive?] - No, no animal deserves such treatment and all domesticated animals deserve the care and attention of a loving owner.

 

[Once they were killed, the territorial void was filled by a pack of dangerous wild dogs - that killed the only semi-domesticated dog that escaped the developer's men] - This is part of the issue: 'other dogs filling the void' the stray dog issue needs to be dealt with on the whole, nationwide and handled with continued attention, this would also be much better for those loving owners capable of looking after their pets responsibly.

 

Its ok to love dogs and animals without contributing to the bigger problem. The 'humane' way of dealing with the dog issue is to 'spay' them so they can't reproduce, but this in itself is a costly and logistical impossibility. Killing off all the strays as humanely as possible, preventing further generations of Soi Dogs, combined with making owners responsible for their pets is a viable solution. Not the best solution, but better than current situation of ignoring the issue. 

 

Had this 'street dog' issue been dealt with 20 years ago - street dogs would be a thing of the past and there would be a few less heartbroken families around. 

[Scott Tracy]

TV covers a wide spectrum in 1 post and its replies. From soi dogs to living or not within Thai communities. All in 1 post and it's replies.

 

TO the OP: You were taking your soi dog for a walk...that means it is not a soi dog. It is your dog, for which you are responsible. If it were to run off and bite a child, would it still be your soi dog? Would you pay hospital bills? Have the dog destroyed?

Have you innoculated it? Have it on a leash? 

 

[richard_smith237]

Upon re-loading this page a certain irony is not lost on me when this advert shows up !!!

 

 

[AussieBob18]

Many years ago when I was very young, many people let their dogs stray outside their homes - most people did not have a front fence. As a kid you quickly learned which dogs to avoid and how to stand your ground and not run.  But eventually the authorities decided after too many children were attacked (some killed), that all dogs must be on a lease if in public and any on the streets would be captured and locked up. Owners had a period of time to claim their dogs, after paying a fine, otherwise the dogs were put to sleep.  Some owners were charged when their dogs attacked people, and severely fined - nowadays they can be sent to jail.  Owners of dogs got the message quickly and started to keep their dogs inside their yards or got rid of them.   The message was clear - your dog is your responsibility, so keep your dogs away from the public, especially kids, or we (society) will remove the danger and penalise you.  My father said most people did it because the dog would go an <deleted> in other's tards or in the local bush areas.

 

Thailand needs to have those laws introduced - but until a child from a certain group of Thais (you know who) is attacked and badly hurt or killed by a stray dog, then it is unlikely to happen.  Whenever I am in Bangkok, I have never had a problem with dogs - but outside Bangkok soi dogs are a constant threat - and you know where 'those' Thai live.

 

Meanwhile, the only solution for Expats here in Thailand, is to never buy a place unless you have rented there for at least 6-12 months and seen the local's views about stray dogs.  And it is best to get a place where or near where the middle class/wealthy Thais live - they can deal with any threats/noises - you cannot - other than extreme measures.    

[Sri Shina]

Thai's  seem  to  have  taken  control  of  their  own  fertility  but  not  that  of  their  pets.  Where  are  the  pro  animal  groups?  Where  are  the  free/low  cost  spay  and  neuter  clinics?  Bob  Barker  we  want  you  back!  I  have  volunteered  at  free  clinics  in  another  country  and  they  work.  We  could  do  up  to  170  animals  in  a  day.

 

The  dogs  here  control  my  every  move.  Better  to  go  out  in  the  worst  heat  of  the  day  than  risk  a  cooler  time  when  the  dogs  begin  to  stir  again.  Beautiful,  quaint,  flower-filled  street  to  explore?  I  think  not.  Could  be  a  dog  just  around  the  bend.  I  end  up  crossing  from  one  side  of  the  street  to  the  other  then  back  again,  over  and  over,  just  trying  to  avoid  the  possibility  of  being  bitten  again.

 

I  am  really  tired  of  all  the  stupid  excuses.  "They  smell  your  fear."  Smell  my  fear?  I  didn't  even  see  the  dog  until  it  came  flying  out  to  the  street  from  the  bowels  of  a  business.  "Look  it  straight  in  the  eyes."  "Don't  look  at  it."  I  have  been  pulled  from  my  bicycle  by  a  muzzled  dog!  It  got  its  mouth  open  just  enough  to  grab  my  pants.  Owner  drove  up  just  then,  witnessing  the  attack.  She  opened  her  gate,  called  the  dog  inside  and  closed  it  again.  I  have  been  bitten  by  a  dog  on  too  long  of  a  leash.  Owner  was  grilling  food  on  the  sidewalk  and  just  laughed  as  I  moved  into  street.  The  dog  barked  and  tugged  at  the  leash  as  the  owner  motioned  me  to  continue  past  on  the  sidewalk.

 

The  worst  is  when  they  are  in  packs,  or  when  one  starts  barking  and  attracts  a  bunch  more.  How  can  you  defend  yourself  against  6  dogs!

 

I  love  animals  but  this  dog  nonsense  is  insane.

[oobar]

On 12/28/2019 at 11:53 AM, hyku1147 said:

On 12/28/2019 at 11:39 AM, Momofarang said:

Yeah, just tell that to the family of the kid who got killed by a stray, last week in Buriram.

My Dear Yappy Poodle ????- What part of "semi-domesticated" do you not understand?

Gee, I am a life-long responsible dog owner, as well as a breeder of hunting dogs for several years, and unless "semi-domesticated" as applied to dogs means they only attack and kill three-year-old girls part of the time, then I have no idea what that useless phrase means.  Dogs are either "wholly domesticated" and cared for responsibly -- or they are not.  Those millions that are not are a very serious problem in Thailand.

[Fairynuff]

4 hours ago, GalaxyMan said:

I have about as much use for a useless animal like a dog as I do for stupid opinions. ???? Being a slave to an animal. How stupid can you get?

Speaking of useless animals.....

[HaleySabai]

I totally agree with you about Thai-people & their mongrels.

I'm sorry to say that since living in Thailand I've grown to dislike dogs and their mangy owners.

Too many encounters and confrontations with both.

[Sydebolle]

Thais might not be going down in history as the most animal loving race ........

[CM Dad]

To the original poster -  Problem number one is that you have chosen to live in a gated housing estate where all of the houses look alike and are crammed together with no privacy or yards.  I have lived in Thailand for more than thirty years.  I would never live in that kind of crowded place.  I live near a large provincial capital about twenty minutes from the downtown area in a country village.  I have a bit more than a rai of land with no walls or fences.  I cannot see my neighbors houses and they cannot see mine due to trees and other vegetation.  I have always had both dogs and cats.  All of them were dumped in our area by town people as soon as they began to get past the cute puppy/kitten stage.  They have always been mostly female and none have ever had their shots, nor are they neutered.  Some have been injured by traffic - both automobiles and scooters.  Injured ones are usually either picked up by my wife or myself, or they are brought to us by Thais in the village who know we will take them to a clinic.  We care for them and take them to the vet for shots and to be neutered.  Many we find homes for and many we keep.  No dogs in our village are really strays since there is always a kind person who will feed and care for them.  Our village also has a part-time vet who is willing to give pro bono treatment when needed, and the monks at our village temple will also care for abandoned dogs and find homes for them.  The Faculty of Veterinary Medicine at one of the universities holds regular free care clinics throughout our area offering vaccinations and care.  To all the complaining posters, I suggest you need to move away from areas like Bangkok and Pattaya.  I find the Thais to be very caring people who have a genuine fondness for animals,  One of our three cats is sitting on my lap as I write this and one of our dogs is lying right outside my door.  One of the keys to happiness in life is kindness towards all creatures.

[angloirishaussie]

yes mate here in Australia I know people who are fanatically obsessed with their dogs love for them and their dog is the only thing that loves them etc

I have to keep my mouth shut otherwise im in trouble

[ubonr1971]

On 12/29/2019 at 5:14 PM, AussieBob18 said:

Many years ago when I was very young, many people let their dogs stray outside their homes - most people did not have a front fence. As a kid you quickly learned which dogs to avoid and how to stand your ground and not run.  But eventually the authorities decided after too many children were attacked (some killed), that all dogs must be on a lease if in public and any on the streets would be captured and locked up. Owners had a period of time to claim their dogs, after paying a fine, otherwise the dogs were put to sleep.  Some owners were charged when their dogs attacked people, and severely fined - nowadays they can be sent to jail.  Owners of dogs got the message quickly and started to keep their dogs inside their yards or got rid of them.   The message was clear - your dog is your responsibility, so keep your dogs away from the public, especially kids, or we (society) will remove the danger and penalise you.  My father said most people did it because the dog would go an <deleted> in other's tards or in the local bush areas.

 

Thailand needs to have those laws introduced - but until a child from a certain group of Thais (you know who) is attacked and badly hurt or killed by a stray dog, then it is unlikely to happen.  Whenever I am in Bangkok, I have never had a problem with dogs - but outside Bangkok soi dogs are a constant threat - and you know where 'those' Thai live.

 

Meanwhile, the only solution for Expats here in Thailand, is to never buy a place unless you have rented there for at least 6-12 months and seen the local's views about stray dogs.  And it is best to get a place where or near where the middle class/wealthy Thais live - they can deal with any threats/noises - you cannot - other than extreme measures.    

your last paragraph is sound advice. also never rent or buy in a gated housing community where all the houses look the same. They tend to be the most selfish ignorant thais of all and full of screaming ratty small dogs. Guaranteed that one house will have 6 of them

[ubonr1971]

On 12/29/2019 at 12:44 PM, jimn said:

A few clues from your post OP of your character. (1)Why do you call your dog a soi dog? Surely its your pet and part of the family not something that roams outside. (2) Why on earth would you go running around the soi's here no wonder you get attacked, I bet your dog is not on a lead. (3) Cheap Charlie comes to mind. If you live in an area surrounded by Thai's your problem. I love living over here but no way would I live in a mainly Thai area.

I run with my dog to give it exercise. Why else do you think?

 

Of course its on a lead. Please use your brain before posting

 

Of course I live in an area surrounded by thais. I live in Thailand ha ha. Jesus wept....

[samsensam]

On 12/30/2019 at 8:42 AM, CM Dad said:

To the original poster -  Problem number one is that you have chosen to live in a gated housing estate where all of the houses look alike and are crammed together with no privacy or yards.  I have lived in Thailand for more than thirty years.  I would never live in that kind of crowded place.  I live near a large provincial capital about twenty minutes from the downtown area in a country village.  I have a bit more than a rai of land with no walls or fences.  I cannot see my neighbors houses and they cannot see mine due to trees and other vegetation.  I have always had both dogs and cats.  All of them were dumped in our area by town people as soon as they began to get past the cute puppy/kitten stage.  They have always been mostly female and none have ever had their shots, nor are they neutered.  Some have been injured by traffic - both automobiles and scooters.  Injured ones are usually either picked up by my wife or myself, or they are brought to us by Thais in the village who know we will take them to a clinic.  We care for them and take them to the vet for shots and to be neutered.  Many we find homes for and many we keep.  No dogs in our village are really strays since there is always a kind person who will feed and care for them.  Our village also has a part-time vet who is willing to give pro bono treatment when needed, and the monks at our village temple will also care for abandoned dogs and find homes for them.  The Faculty of Veterinary Medicine at one of the universities holds regular free care clinics throughout our area offering vaccinations and care.  To all the complaining posters, I suggest you need to move away from areas like Bangkok and Pattaya.  I find the Thais to be very caring people who have a genuine fondness for animals,  One of our three cats is sitting on my lap as I write this and one of our dogs is lying right outside my door.  One of the keys to happiness in life is kindness towards all creatures.

 

nice post, we cannot generalise about thais' treatment of animals however there is a lot of animal ignorance here. most of the time people are not called out about their  behavior, neighbours and passers by witness animal cruelty and where this would be addressed back home it is, often for cultural reasons, ignored or tolerated here. also back home we have animal protection charities who can be contacted and who will take action, as will local authorities and the police, against anyone involved in animal cruelty. possibly such organisations exist here but they are failing to protect animals and to educate people.

 

it is not only domesticated animals, i find it shameful to see thais and westerners posing for photos next to, obviously drugged, big cats.

 

on a positive note the awful sight of elephants being brought into bangkok to walk the streets and 'perform' for tourists has ceased.

[jak2002003]

I have not had any major problems with the street dogs here in the villages, even if I take my 2 tiny dogs to a new place and the dogs come out to bark and see the new intruders.  This is because my dogs are well socialised and know how to behave around other dogs.  There is only one scary dog in one house, which also chases and attacks humans on scooters (so we just avoid that street).  

 

I had more problems from the street dogs when I cycled or walked alone.  Having other dogs with me seems to relax the village dogs that I am not a stranger out to rob the house.  

 

Most Thais treat the dogs fine.  Sure they are a bit neglected and dirty, but they have freedom to run about, socialise with other dogs and live a more natural life.  There are pros and cons to the Thai method of keeping dogs, same as the Western way.  In the West many dogs are locked up in tiny cages for hours all day, or left locked in a kitchen hours on end while owners are at work. Many are never allowed off the lead, and high energy breeds go crazy from lack of exercise and get separation anxiety or destructive in the house.    

 

I do agree, however, that a problem dog, and its owners, need dealing with.  If there is a dog that is know to attack people or animals it needs either to be put to sleep or secured in an enclosure and the owners need to be responsible if anything goes wrong. 

 

Its easy to think Thai people are worse at caring for dogs than, say America.  This is only because we can see it for what it is.  In the west the abuse and neglect is often hidden, but its still there, with puppy mills, dog shelters full up with abandoned unwanted dogs and the shocking number (670,000) of unwanted dogs killed each year in America for example, most being gassed alive.  

 

 

[Isaanbiker]

You only have to have the right dog......