rickthailand Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 hi, as my elite visa is running out and i am now over 50 i have a question. i will be applying within thailand for a retirement visa, i have all thats needed just i have a bupa insurance for 5.000.000thb out patient only. will i need to change to an inpatient insurance or is this accepted. thanks rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) You will not need to show any insurance if you chose to apply and extend Non-O visa. That is only for people that goes on or chose to apply for and extend Non-OA visa. Strange, but for now thats the rules. If you out of some reason must chose a Non-OA, then the insurance you have will not qualify. Edited January 1, 2020 by Matzzon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickthailand Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 what is the difference between o and oa?? thanks for the reply rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, rickthailand said: what is the difference between o and oa?? thanks for the reply rick o = spouse oa = retirement. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) Since you are applying for a Visa in Thailand, it can only be a Non-Imm-O. (Presumably you will have entered Thailand on a Visa Exempt or Tourist Visa and will be converting that.) Subsequently I expect you will pursue a retirement Extension of 12 months. Neither of these requires insurance. Edited January 1, 2020 by jacko45k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonray Posted January 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Don Mega said: o = spouse oa = retirement. O = 90 day single entry visa that later can be used to extend permission of stay for a variety of reasons: Marriage, retirement, Dependent OA= 12 month multientry Visa obtained in one's home country that can provide up to 2 years of permission to stay if used correctly. initial application requires Criminal background check, Medical certificate, and money in home country bank or income shown in home country. later can be used to extend permission of stay for a variety of reasons: Marriage, retirement, Dependent OA= also now requires health insurance both for new applications AND extensions for retirement Edited January 2, 2020 by tonray Insurance Requirement 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, tonray said: O = 90 day single entry visa that later can be used to extend permission of stay for a variety of reasons: Marriage, retirement, Dependent OA= 12 month multientry Visa obtained in one's home country that can provide up to 2 years of permission to stay if used correctly. initial application requires Criminal background check, Medical certificate, and money in home country bank or income shown in home country. later can be used to extend permission of stay for a variety of reasons: Marriage, retirement, Dependent My bad, The Thai Embassy in Australia needs to update their website as it does not mention the non-o is also for retirement purposes.............Spouse/dependant/NGO/Volunteer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJKT2014 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Don Mega said: The Thai Embassy in Australia needs to update their website One can also apply for a Non O inside Thailand, no need to leave country if arrived on a visa exempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, Don Mega said: My bad, The Thai Embassy in Australia needs to update their website as it does not mention the non-o is also for retirement purposes.............Spouse/dependant/NGO/Volunteer. It does need updating since they will not issue one for being 50 or over for retirement. Many embassies and consulates have the same policy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve187 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 would they do a conversion from an elite entry to a non 'O'?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, steve187 said: would they do a conversion from an elite entry to a non 'O'?? No, it only applies to Visa Exempt and Tourist Visa Entry. https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_80 Edited January 2, 2020 by jacko45k 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtank Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Mega said: o = spouse oa = retirement. Nope. O-A =Retirement. O =Other. A number of reasons to issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickthailand Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 thanks for all the responses rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Denis Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 27 minutes ago, rickthailand said: thanks for all the responses OP wrote > hi, as my elite visa is running out and i am now over 50 i have a question. i will be applying within thailand for a retirement visa. >> I just PM-ed you a comprehensive roadmap with all details/options, to switch from your present Elite Visa to a 90-day Non Imm O - retirement Visa, which can then be extended for 1-year. Note: The roadmap is primarily meant for original OA Visa holders that now when applying for an extension of their OA-retirement Visa are required to subscribe to bogus thai-approved health-insurance. Switching to a Non Imm O Visa does not require that health-insurance scam. The process described also applies for your query to convert to a Non Imm O - retirement Visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothOperator Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) On 1/2/2020 at 6:47 AM, tonray said: OA= also now requires health insurance both for new applications AND extensions for retirement too much misleading information... NON-O-Retirement still doesn't require any insurances for the OP: try to get a Non-O for all other retirees: just look in your Passport which kind of visa you actually have, is it a NON-O or a NON-OA??? with a NON-O-Retirement Visa you are fine without any rip off insurances, at least until now. Edited January 3, 2020 by SmoothOperator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, SmoothOperator said: too much misleading information... NON-O-Retirement still doesn't require any insurances just look in your Passport which kind of visa you actually have, is it a NON-O or a NON-OA??? with a NON-O-Retirement Visa you are fine without any rip off insurances, at least until now. The OP currently has an elite visa. He will need to exit Los and either obtain non O at consulate or re-enter los perhaps visa exempt and do "conversion" to non O at immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from the home of CC Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 6:21 AM, Matzzon said: You will not need to show any insurance if you chose to apply and extend Non-O visa. That is only for people that goes on or chose to apply for and extend Non-OA visa. Strange, but for now thats the rules. If you out of some reason must chose a Non-OA, then the insurance you have will not qualify. non o a wasn't required to have money in a Thailand bank I believe, if true not strange at all imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, from the home of CC said: non o a wasn't required to have money in a Thailand bank I believe, if true not strange at all imo Not for the initial one, but you will surely need it for an extension based on such visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matzzon said: Not for the initial one, but you will surely need it for an extension based on such visa. True. And therein is the underlying rubbish from Thai imm asserting that insurance is required for ongoing extensions for folk that entered with non O-A and many years later some now based on marriage or parent etc. You need money in bank or whatever along with insurance! Bunch of ####s Edited January 3, 2020 by DrJack54 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 hours ago, DrJack54 said: True. And therein is the underlying rubbish from Thai imm asserting that insurance is required for ongoing extensions for folk that entered with non O-A and many years later some now based on marriage or parent etc. You need money in bank or whatever along with insurance! Bunch of ####s As I´ve heard it regarding the ones that have entered with O-A and changed to marriage extension, that is also another mystic thing that is different from office to office and appearently in the hands of individual IO´s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Denis Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 14 hours ago, from the home of CC said: non o a wasn't required to have money in a Thailand bank I believe, if true not strange at all imo Yes, true. When applying for the Non Imm OA Visa in your home-country you need to prove you have sufficient funds on your bank-account (does not need to be a thai bank-account). From the moment the Visa has been issued, till the time your permission to stay is due for extension (can be almost 2 years when timed right), there is no need to have money on a thai bank-account. But once you apply for an extension of stay you need to proof financials (money-in-bank, monthly income transfers or proof-of-income letter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Denis Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Matzzon said: As I´ve heard it regarding the ones that have entered with O-A and changed to marriage extension, that is also another mystic thing that is different from office to office and apparently in the hands of individual IO´s. Yes, there are some rogue IOs (e.g. Petchabun, Nonthaburi) that - incorrectly - insist that when you are applying for an extension of stay of your Non Imm OA Visa for reason of MARRIAGE, that health-insurance is required. So if you are married to a thai national and want to extend your permission to stay based on your OA Visa, but this time for reason of marriage (to avoid the bogus health-insurance scam), these rogue IOs actually force you to exit Thailand, and convert to a Non Imm O - marriage Visa (which does not require insurance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricTh Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 7:27 AM, ubonjoe said: It does need updating since they will not issue one for being 50 or over for retirement. Many embassies and consulates have the same policy. All these O and O-A for retirement are confusing to new members. It is better to separate the different visas for different purposes in the future. Where did you get that immigration have stopped issuing O visa for retirement ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langsuan Man Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, EricTh said: Where did you get that immigration have stopped issuing O visa for retirement ? If want the tedium of looking yourself, try the Thai Embassy web sites and you will find that only local (SE Asia) Thai Embassies and Consulates offer the "O" based on retirement. I don't know your home country but I would hazard a guess you won't find it offered for "retirement" there, since they have been pushing the "O-A" as the retirement visa if you don't have family ties to Thailand 16 minutes ago, EricTh said: All these O and O-A for retirement are confusing to new members. Well they had better learn, since I don't think Thai Immigration cares much about confusing new members Edited January 4, 2020 by Langsuan Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, EricTh said: All these O and O-A for retirement are confusing to new members. It is better to separate the different visas for different purposes in the future. Where did you get that immigration have stopped issuing O visa for retirement ? Ubon was replying to question about non-O in Australia. Not available. In similar way not available in some other countries. Most people obtain non o in nearby countries or do "conversion" to non o at Thai immigration inside los. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 58 minutes ago, EricTh said: Where did you get that immigration have stopped issuing O visa for retirement ? Where did I write anything about immigration in my post. I was only writing about embassies and consulates that are not part of immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from the home of CC Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 13 hours ago, Matzzon said: Not for the initial one, but you will surely need it for an extension based on such visa. and rightfully so 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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