U.S. strike kills Iran Quds Force commander Soleimani - Pentagon

[BigA]

From a realist perspective taking out Soleimani was a smart and appropriate use of power.

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

You sound like one of those entitled liberals who needs a nicely printed and bound coffee table book titled

TRUMPS ENDGAME...handwritten by the president. Sorry, you are no one in the chain of command and do not need to know. Just know that his actions are preventing American deaths...not sowing the seeds of some vague appeasement policy that frequently turns the other cheek and makes the enemy more and more brazen. He actually said he would be operating like this in his speeches before 2016....but you and the rest of the MSM tuned it all out because you thought Hillary would win.

 

What was Obama's strategy.....apart from 'dont do stupid S^%$'?

 

 

Yeah that entitled liberal tucker carlson even said it was stupid of trump to take him out.

 

There is no way taking him out made it better. It makes it worse.

 

Also trump said in his speaches that he was bringing troops home as we have no business being there. Another promise gone.

[Ramen087]

More drones, less troops.  And the top guys there know this POTUS doesn’t dilly dally.  They’ll talk a lot, but they ain’t gonna be doin’ much more than dat!

[spidermike007]

6 hours ago, riclag said:

State sponsor of terror has just tapped a American citizen(contractor) ,invaded America's (sovereign territory (US Embassy  ) again and the Gen was reported to be responsible for many acts of aggression which resulted in the loss of  millions of dollars and  deaths of Americans. This could very well be the POTUS greatest moment.Your country needs your support!!!!!!! 

I do support my country. But, I do not support Trump. Even with a drummed up, fake war that he can and perhaps will create. He is hoping for blind support, and distraction from the many crimes he has committed, and continues to commit. But, I am not distracted in the least. Neither are many Americans. I agree Iran is a problem. But, just at the time many Iranians are rising up agains the regime, and just at the time many Iraqis are questioning the presence of the US, after 17 long years, he does this? Over one overpaid contractor? Timing is everything. As is the case with nearly everything this man does, this is very, very bad timing, and he did this with very, very little reflection of the consequences. 

 

All Trump sees is the upcoming election, that he will lose by 10 million votes, hopefully. This has nothing to do with security, or America. Iran already replaced Soleimani, and continues to have alot of resources and this has only increased their will and hatred toward the US. This is all about Don Donald. And this could be his downfall. The US is in for a world of hurt. 

Edited January 5, 2020 by spidermike007

[riclag]

On 1/3/2020 at 1:27 PM, bristolboy said:

What do you expect the Iranians to do, given the economic war that Trump has waged on them? The US wouldn't have had to react if Trump has listened to the Pentagon and not imposed such harsh measures on Iran. As the Pentagon pointed out, with lots of troops on the ground, that's a lot of potential targets you're giving the Iranians. And now the militias in Iraq, too.

PT is the commander and chief! The Pentagon can only suggest what to plan for. The Potus,Mr. Trump makes the final decision. If it were another POTUS anybody but this one it would be balls to the wall, right!

Edited January 5, 2020 by riclag

[riclag]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I do support my country. But, I do not support Trump. Even with a drummed up, fake war that he can and perhaps will create. He is hoping for blind support, and distraction from the many crimes he has committed, and continues to commit. But, I am not distracted in the least. Neither are many Americans. I agree Iran is a problem. But, just at the time many Iranians are rising up agains the regime, and just at the time many Iraqis are questioning the presence of the US, after 17 long years, he does this? Over one overpaid contractor? Timing is everything. As is the case with nearly everything this man does, this is very, very bad timing, and he did this with very, very little reflection of the consequences. 

 

All Trump sees is the upcoming election, that he will lose by 10 million votes, hopefully. This has nothing to do with security, or America. Iran already replaced Soleimani, and continues to have alot of resources and this has only increased their will and hatred toward the US. This is all about Don Donald. And this could be his downfall. The US is in for a world of hurt. 

Well judging from your comment you must be participating  in the security briefings. Pardon me !

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

I do....he has just announced that 52 Iranian targets have been earmarked (one for every hostage taken by them previously). If they misbehave, those targets will be taken out. I just hope its a mixture of installations and mullahs.

This is how it's done.

Trump announced that 52 Iranian targets would be struck if Iran attacked Americans or American assets, leaving Iran plenty of options--militias in Yemen launching drone attacks on Saudi oil facilities, Hizbollah in Lebanon firing rockets into Israel, mines appearing in the Straits of Hormuz making it impassable to oil tankers, cyber attacks on an endless number of targets, "spontaneous" anti-American protests across the region and beyond, etc.

 

On the subject of protests; the anti-Iran protests in Baghdad and Tehran have been replaced with anti-American protests.    I'm sure you see this as a good thing.

[samran]

24 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Trump announced that 52 Iranian targets would be struck if Iran attacked Americans or American assets, leaving Iran plenty of options--militias in Yemen launching drone attacks on Saudi oil facilities, Hizbollah in Lebanon firing rockets into Israel, mines appearing in the Straits of Hormuz making it impassable to oil tankers, cyber attacks on an endless number of targets, "spontaneous" anti-American protests across the region and beyond, etc.

 

On the subject of protests; the anti-Iran protests in Baghdad and Tehran have been replaced with anti-American protests.    I'm sure you see this as a good thing.

Must be the Donald’s way of achieving middle Eastern peace. Iran and Iraq fought a war in the 80s, and with this assassination they are now good friends.

 

Who knows, could be his round about way of trying to get a Nobel prize. 

Edited January 5, 2020 by samran

[Tagged]

10 minutes ago, samran said:

Must be the Donald’s way of achieving middle Eastern peace. Iran and Iraq fought a war in the 80s, and with this assassination they are now good friends.

 

Who knows, could be his round about way of trying to get a Nobel prize. 

Not a good time for any contries with troops in Iraq now! 
 

 

[JHolmesJr]

46 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Trump announced that 52 Iranian targets would be struck if Iran attacked Americans or American assets, leaving Iran plenty of options--militias in Yemen launching drone attacks on Saudi oil facilities, Hizbollah in Lebanon firing rockets into Israel, mines appearing in the Straits of Hormuz making it impassable to oil tankers, cyber attacks on an endless number of targets, "spontaneous" anti-American protests across the region and beyond, etc.

 

On the subject of protests; the anti-Iran protests in Baghdad and Tehran have been replaced with anti-American protests.    I'm sure you see this as a good thing.

 

Looks like you're on the Iranian advisory board now.

[beechguy]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Trump announced that 52 Iranian targets would be struck if Iran attacked Americans or American assets, leaving Iran plenty of options--militias in Yemen launching drone attacks on Saudi oil facilities, Hizbollah in Lebanon firing rockets into Israel, mines appearing in the Straits of Hormuz making it impassable to oil tankers, cyber attacks on an endless number of targets, "spontaneous" anti-American protests across the region and beyond, etc.

 

On the subject of protests; the anti-Iran protests in Baghdad and Tehran have been replaced with anti-American protests.    I'm sure you see this as a good thing.

So far as options for Iran, you do realize they were already using them, and that the war started decades ago?  

[bristolboy]

 

11 hours ago, BigA said:

From a realist perspective taking out Soleimani was a smart and appropriate use of power.

Sure it was. Soleimani is even more effective in death than he was in life: Iraq just voted to expel all US troops. But it gets even better: Isis has been given a new lease on life. 

U.S.-Led Coalition Halts ISIS Fight as It Steels for Iranian Attacks

American forces in Iraq and Syria will now focus on protecting themselves.

 The American-led coalition in Iraq and Syria halted its yearslong mission of attacking the Islamic State and training local forces in both countries Sunday as United States troops braced for retaliation from Iran after a strike that killed a powerful Iranian commander, military officials said.

In a statement, the American command said that after repeated attacks on Iraqi and American bases in past weeks, one of which killed an American contractor on Dec. 27, “we have therefore paused these activities, subject to continuous review.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/05/us/politics/us-isis-iran.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

 

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Looks like you're the Iranian advisory board now.

Do you think Iran wasn't already aware of these and many other options?  If so, you haven't thought this one through.  Just like Trump.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, beechguy said:

So far as options for Iran, you do realize they were already using them, and that the war started decades ago?  

I indicated as much in an earlier post; the situation we've had with Iran for many years could be described as a low intensity conflict.  Trump's actions will undoubtedly ramp up the intensity significantly.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/3/2020 at 4:52 PM, Brigand said:

This guy was certainly an enemy of the US and more than likely deserved it. Question is about whether this was an assassination of a political/military figure without the approval of Congress (which I believe is needed for such actions). Although, when dealing with the actors here it is certainly 6 of one and half a dozen of the other as Iran is up to no good and is doing a fine job of also destabilizing the whole region too. Very dangerous situation now and wouldn't be surprised if it kicks off a bit.

without the approval of Congress (which I believe is needed for such actions).

 

LOL

I'm sure that you realise that such an operation has to be carried out on the spur of the moment, when an opportunity presents itself. Delaying while "consulting" with congress is going to allow such an operation to slip away, and IMO would allow "someone" to leak the operation leading to the target escaping.

Obama assassinated many, apparently, with drone strikes; did he "consult" with congress each and every time?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

I indicated as much in an earlier post; the situation we've had with Iran for many years could be described as a low intensity conflict.  Trump's actions will undoubtedly ramp up the intensity significantly.

and that is a problem because...............................?

War with Iran, in some form has, IMO, been inevitable since the embassy hostage situation, and it's just now that it begins, or not.

I've been saying for some time that Trump's re election is inevitable so long as the economy is good and Americans don't start coming back in body bags, so this could be disastrous for him, if it all goes wrong.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, heybruce said:

I don't know what he has planned, I suspect he doesn't have a plan. 

Indeed you don't know what he has planned, so suspect away all you like.

Trump, like every president, doesn't carry out such operations without consulting advisors, and the Pentagon, apparently, has people doing nothing but make plans for every situation, including, I hope, consequences.

[BobBKK]

On 1/3/2020 at 11:37 AM, bristolboy said:

Good thing that there aren't any vulnerable American troops on the ground in Iraq. Otherwise, that might be a problem.

Agreed... Im still of the view pull them ALL out. American meddling has caused more wars and suffering than anything else.  Get out and stay out and def no wars, bombing or crooked meddling I think USA has enough of it's own problems without it's righteousness that it can cure other countries. 

[BobBKK]

On 1/3/2020 at 12:07 PM, gamb00ler said:

Here's the real facts behind your conspiracy theory about billions paid to Iran:

https://apnews.com/727282bdead6489a8521059936375210/AP-FACT-CHECK:-Trump's-Iran-cash-story-oft-told,-still-bogus  OR

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/03/01/was-obamas-1-7-billion-cash-deal-with-iran-prohibited-by-u-s-law/

 

 

could not care less if it was 'lawful' it was stupid paying your enemy like that - Iraq war was 'lawful' but unethical too. Trump is right on this one but there are bound to be some on here who think it's a great idea  lol

[beechguy]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

I indicated as much in an earlier post; the situation we've had with Iran for many years could be described as a low intensity conflict.  Trump's actions will undoubtedly ramp up the intensity significantly.

Yea, I heard the same <deleted> the 15 years I was in the Middle East, in the end these thing s really didn't make that much difference. 

[dexterm]

 A few weeks ago Iraqis and Iranians were demonstrating in the streets demanding a decrease in Iranian involvement in Iraq. Now Iraqis and Iranians are united in hatred of USA and the Iraqi parliament demands US forces leave.

The barbaric ISIS, whom your former ally General Soleimani and the Kurds, helped defeat will soon be back decapitating, stoning women to death and throwing gays off rooftops.

China and Japan gets up to 90% of its oil from the Middle East, and the USA has just lost influence there, making way for Russia.

Thousands of US and allied personnel have been killed and injured in Iraq sent on a completely unnecessary mission looking for non existent WMD. Now US troops being ignominiously forced to leave...again!
And all because Donald wanted to assassinate an Iranian general to distract attention from his impeachment and to play the tough guy to get himself re-elected... unimpeded by bone spurs this time.

Nice one Donald.

Edited January 6, 2020 by dexterm

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed you don't know what he has planned, so suspect away all you like.

Trump, like every president, doesn't carry out such operations without consulting advisors, and the Pentagon, apparently, has people doing nothing but make plans for every situation, including, I hope, consequences.

Right...

 

Trump supporters keep telling us he isn't like any other President, except when he's like every President.

 

I wonder which advisers he consulted when he decided to throw the Kurds under the bus and green-light the Turkish invasion of Syria.

 

You hope he considered the consequences of his decision.  I'm certain he didn't.

[Opl]

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Right...

 

Trump supporters keep telling us he isn't like any other President, except when he's like every President.

 

I wonder which advisers he consulted when he decided to throw the Kurds under the bus and green-light the Turkish invasion of Syria.

 

You hope he considered the consequences of his decision.  I'm certain he didn't.

"Asked on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” who he talks with consistently about foreign policy, Trump responded, “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things." "I know what I’m doing and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time I’ll tell you who the people are," Trump said. “But my primary consultant is myself and I have a good instinct for this stuff."

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/trump-foreign-policy-adviser-220853

[gamb00ler]

6 hours ago, BobBKK said:

could not care less if it was 'lawful' it was stupid paying your enemy like that - Iraq war was 'lawful' but unethical too. Trump is right on this one but there are bound to be some on here who think it's a great idea  lol

You sound like a baker that accepts payment in advance for a wedding cake, but then refuses delivery or refund because you find out it's two guys getting married.

 

USA had accepted the money as prepayment for armaments from the Shah of Iran.  USA wouldn't deliver those arms to the new Iranian government after the revolution.  Nor would they return the money.  Iran filed suits with the world court and would have almost certainly received a verdict in their favor.  The USA would have been compelled to pay.

 

I'm sure you're more comfortable in your alternative universe.  No point in disturbing you further.