Pompeo defends U.S. killing of Iranian as Democrats ask 'Why now?'

[hydraides]

Really really pisses me off when people keeping saying "Trump did it because of impeachment/Election for Trump"

 

This has nothing to do with trump..........Even if the media says it was trumps decision......its the larger America establishment/Israel Geopolitical moves in the area

[earlinclaifornia]

4 minutes ago, hydraides said:

Really really pisses me off when people keeping saying "Trump did it because of impeachment/Election for Trump"

 

This has nothing to do with trump..........Even if the media says it was trumps decision......its the larger America establishment/Israel Geopolitical moves in the area

Will you explain please?

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, hydraides said:

Really really pisses me off when people keeping saying "Trump did it because of impeachment/Election for Trump"

 

This has nothing to do with trump..........Even if the media says it was trumps decision......its the larger America establishment/Israel Geopolitical moves in the area

No, it definitely came from the U.S. president and it was very impulsive without even beginning to think through the consequences.

Please stop trying to spread global Jewish control conspiracy theories. 

[JHolmesJr]

2 hours ago, malibukid said:

Trump has his head up his back side.  he thinks a tweet is a substitute for a formal congressional notification.

his contempt of them mirrors theirs for him.

quid pro quo.

[natway09]

Regardless of my personal views if this.  escalates  into "an eye for an eye" saga

no American, no American Airline, or any person sounding American will be safe anywhere in the world. The Iranians can be brutal

[JHolmesJr]

1 hour ago, tomazbodner said:

Now Trump is threatening to flatten 52 cultural sites in Iran (probably unaware that would be a war crime) and hot off the press, is now threatening Iraqi government with sanctions if it follows on parliament decision since US has a multi-billion dollar military base there and Iraq will pay for it.

 

Can some Trump fanatic (and there are some on TV) explain to me why US is above all the international laws?

 

come on dont be a crybaby...iranians are resourceful....I expect thousands of women and children to be (forcibly) moved to live among these ruins very soon. anything for the eternal leader.

[Thingamabob]

37 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

It was great we could all sell arms and gas to Saddam and he could beat the hell out of Iran and his own people. 

 

I worked in Iraq in the 70s and 80s. It was a good place to be unless you opposed Saddam Hussein ie a good place for most people. So sad to see the country torn apart by Bush and Blair. Saddam was not a nice guy, to say the least, but he understood how to run the country. For those of us who knew Iraq well in those days it is depressing beyond belief to witness what has happened there since. Likewise Libya, but that's another story...

 

[Cory1848]

40 minutes ago, hydraides said:

Really really pisses me off when people keeping saying "Trump did it because of impeachment/Election for Trump"

 

This has nothing to do with trump..........Even if the media says it was trumps decision......its the larger America establishment/Israel Geopolitical moves in the area

Trump did it because of impeachment.

 

You’re right -- corporate interests (including the defense industry) feed money to politicians, who then owe them favors in return. (Theoretically, politicians also have a civic duty to the people who vote for them, a duty that some take more seriously than others.) Some wars, like Bush’s Iraq invasion, are primarily driven by corporate profits (especially when the politician in charge and the CEO are one and the same person). And you may be right about some of the motivating factors here. But politicians are players, too, with enormous power of their own, and Trump is using his exclusively to save his own copious rear end. Until real evidence of corporate malfeasance and corruption (and government collusion) comes out -- and it may well do so -- we’re only speculating.

 

As for “Israel geopolitical moves” -- Get off your rocker. Repeat ten times after breakfast every day: “Israel is just another country. Israel is just another country.” Etc.

[Jingthing]

19 minutes ago, natway09 said:

Regardless of my personal views if this.  escalates  into "an eye for an eye" saga

no American, no American Airline, or any person sounding American will be safe anywhere in the world. The Iranians can be brutal

I don't think we're close to that yet but it could happen.

Iran now feels completely justified (and most of world would understand) in hitting hard in a proportionate way. I doubt that will have anything to do with killing random civilians but a cyberattack on the U.S. is certainly possible. After that, it's predictable that this current president will retaliate more extremely. After that … yeah progressing to your scenario isn't hard to imagine.

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

come on dont be a crybaby...iranians are resourceful....I expect thousands of women and children to be (forcibly) moved to live among these ruins very soon. anything for the eternal leader.

Given the current U.S. president's base of support is basically a CULT of personality, I don't think Americans enjoy any sort of moral high ground criticizing Iranians for fanatical leader following. 

[spidermike007]

10 hours ago, Skallywag said:

Was surprised to see Geraldo Rivera speaking the truth on Fox news, as he is also a contributor there at times.  

 

And that is what it sounds like when someone is expressing principal and integrity. Nobody can make an argument that Geraldo was wrong in saying what he said. Good on him. Truth is so refreshing in this day and age. 

 

Invading Iraq was wrong then and it remains wrong today. I hope they kick the US out. Does not look like they will leave on their own. 7,000 American lives later. How many lost limbs? How many dead Iraqis? When it enough enough?

Edited January 6, 2020 by spidermike007

[Cory1848]

28 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

come on dont be a crybaby...iranians are resourceful....I expect thousands of women and children to be (forcibly) moved to live among these ruins very soon. anything for the eternal leader.

Right. Anything for the eternal leader. So I assume that you, too, will be among the first to enlist?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

Apologies offered.

That's so very unusual on this forum so definitely accepted. 

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[rabas]

1 hour ago, natway09 said:

Regardless of my personal views if this.  escalates  into "an eye for an eye" saga

no American, no American Airline, or any person sounding American will be safe anywhere in the world. The Iranians can be brutal

The Irani people and culture are not brutal. They can be rather charming and laid back. The religious theocracy controlling them is horribly brutal even to their own people. Soleimani was reportedly one of the most brutal among the leadership. The Irani National Guard just finished killing about 1500 citizens over riots on Khamenei's orders.

 

A distant hope is that Iran can somehow reflect on the directions people like Soleimani had been taking the country. I have many Irani friends in Asia and Iran, I can only wish them the best.

[earlinclaifornia]

1 hour ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Will you explain please?

JHolmesJr says he is also confused and I guess he too wants the explanation

[earlinclaifornia]

6 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I believe your a bit out of touch because the last administration followed the previous Bush one for the following reasons:

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-neither-bush-or-obama-killed-iranian-general-qassem-soleimani-2020-1

Can anyoe please help dundee48 to understand postings of facts? Confused is routinly his activity.

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, meand said:

Out of all this, my favorite is the sanctions threat on Iraq.

 

I do not believe this has been confirmed yet, but some sources are saying Soleimani was on an official diplomatic mission at the time of his death. That is some <deleted> up <deleted> if true and the <deleted> is really going to hit the fan in all sorts of <deleted> up ways if it proves to be. 

 

What Trump did was he illegally murdered someone in another country. Why should Iraq citizens have to deal with any of this. After you do something like this, only a person idiotic as Trump goes around and makes demands. This is going to get bad, real bad. 

Yes indeed, it's not looking good at all. The worst part of it is we cannot even begin rely on Trump to be rational about his next moves. He is so pathetically insecure that a tweet from Tehran saying he is nuts has apparently lead him to taking a complete hissy fit. This is the sort of thing a normal sane balanced man would simply laugh off.  Add to this a UK leader whose spinelessness supplication to Trumps whims makes him a traitor to his own country, and the ingredients for disaster are reaching the critical level.

 

The one thing to come out of this is the clear admission that the Iraq invasion was a commercial enterprise - primarily about oil - but also about handing lucrative "Rebuilding" contracts to Haliburton and others. The WMD and the democracy thing were just a smokescreen. As Trump says, they invested a hell of a lot of money in setting up Iraq for long term exploitation, and they wan't their pound of flesh. If Iran don't give the US a "Terrorist atrocity" for an excuse (Russia and China are almost certainly trying to put the brakes on the hotheads in Tehran) then the US will be happy to manufacture one. 

[tomazbodner]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

come on dont be a crybaby...iranians are resourceful....I expect thousands of women and children to be (forcibly) moved to live among these ruins very soon. anything for the eternal leader.

See I knew there were some... But your answer is not to my question. Although Iran is a rogue country (which makes it dangerous by itself), this would likely not have happened if Trump didn't unilaterally withdraw from Iran nuclear agreement and sanction anyone who was still part of that agreement. So basically one country is holding the entire rest of the World hostage. Do you consider that fair and normal?

[JHolmesJr]

50 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

See I knew there were some... But your answer is not to my question. Although Iran is a rogue country (which makes it dangerous by itself), this would likely not have happened if Trump didn't unilaterally withdraw from Iran nuclear agreement and sanction anyone who was still part of that agreement. So basically one country is holding the entire rest of the World hostage. Do you consider that fair and normal?

 

He's the Chief Executive....as such he is well within his rights to overturn previous non-binding

agreements that he feels are flawed. You can cry about it here endlessly or just vote for Amy Klobuchar

or whatever weirdo the Dems pick.

[Guitarzan]

11 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

Take your complete post but replace 'Iranians' with 'US' and that is closer to the truth and why there are so many US haters.

 

Have you ever stopped and wondered why so many hate the US or are you totally blinded by their "saving the world" brainwashing?

You would prefer Islam save the world, or China?

[Guitarzan]

3 hours ago, natway09 said:

Regardless of my personal views if this.  escalates  into "an eye for an eye" saga

no American, no American Airline, or any person sounding American will be safe anywhere in the world. The Iranians can be brutal

You unwittingly just made the case for war and regime change. 

[JHolmesJr]

34 minutes ago, Guitarzan said:

You unwittingly just made the case for war and regime change. 

Or to blow out their internet and utilities at the very least.

[tomazbodner]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

He's the Chief Executive....as such he is well within his rights to overturn previous non-binding

agreements that he feels are flawed. You can cry about it here endlessly or just vote for Amy Klobuchar

or whatever weirdo the Dems pick.

That's sad, isn't it? In many countries of the World people are voting for who they hate less rather than who they love more...

[Guitarzan]

48 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

That's sad, isn't it? In many countries of the World people are voting for who they hate less rather than who they love more...

All I can say is thank God Trump is our President!  I tried to explain the best I could to my Thai wife what would have happened if Hillary won. 

[Calach]

What's wonderful today is that contrarily to 2003 when all American media were in full throttle to-hell-with-the-truth propaganda mode while the rest of the world was watching them like an exotic circus, now everyone can express himself online and we can witness that they are actually people believing that horseshiiit. 

 

We find propaganda from previous periods of history ridiculous, but after all it wasn't that much more ridiculous than today and people are actually ready to believe and act on anything, kill and get (their poorer, younger compatriots) killed, if their patriotic fibre and other emotions get stimulated enough.

 

We were wondering how the massacres of the past could have happened, well now we know. 

[HuskerDo]

12 hours ago, Sujo said:

Trump promised to bring troops home. Instead he is sending more.

 

Surely this is a great out for him. Iraq doesnt want troops there so just leave. Not leaving means its an occupation. How dare trump tell a sovereign nation that it cannot decide to tell anyone it likes to leave.

"Trump promised to bring troops home. Instead he is sending more."..... check again. Trump is pulling ALL troops out of Iraq so the Middle East is on it's own now as it should be. No more begging for help from the US. The US is not the police force for the world. Let them fight it out and let it be the survival of the fittest. Whomever is left standing will either be a friend of the US or...…. 

[Stargeezr]

I think that the president of Iran is a puppet for the Ayatollah and the clerics, who

really run the country. The general does not sound as though he was really

liked by even the Iranians who live outside of Iran. Maybe Trump is saying that

Some Clerics and the Ayatollah live near or at some of those cultural sites, and

do they want their homes bombed? I have heard that the bunker buster bombs

can do a pretty good job where ever they are sent to.  Just saying..

Geezer

[ubon farang]

22 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Why now? Because Trump is facing much scrutiny over his crimes, and he is not willing to face the reality that he is not above the law. So, wag the dog and create a distraction. His devotees love it, as the consequences are not something they are considering. America is untouchable in their minds. Yeah, let us see. I think the US is in for a world of hurt from Iran, and a world of humiliation from Iraq. Looks like the 5 trillion dollar investment, has not paid off. What exactly has been accomplished there, and in Afghanistan? How many soldiers lost? Conservative estimates are over 7,000 soldiers for the US alone. And how many maimed, and how many suicides? Former soldiers affected by PTSD, and other ailments? And casualties for the allies? And how many civilians? I know for most Trump supporters that is not really an issue. But a half million lives is an issue for mankind. Chalk those up to more wars lost for the US. Korea (kind of a draw?), Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. Not to mention proxy wars, like Yemen, Egypt, Libya, etc. No wars won in 75 years. A massive military is not necessarily a capable, nor a smart military, as the US has proven over and over again. 

Well said Mike they are definetly trying to provoke Iran into a war. I just wonder what America would do if Iran came into their country and killed the vice-president? I fear Mike That Trump will get his war and it will take the heat off him. Iraq and Afghanistan What actually has been achieved there? NOTHING Certainly not peace and stabilization, Vietnam will always stick in my throat That war was for what and I will say this out loud America lost that war and 60,000 men died Just a pity 4 million civilians had to die also For what? Oh i forgot they were not human beings They were Gooks

[spidermike007]

By also killing an Iraqi, who was a former candidate for PM, they have committed a huge blunder. The US will likely be forced out of Iraq. The US agreed to give the bases to Iraq if and when they left so Trump's whining about the cost means nothing. And imposing sanctions on an nation you have been fighting for, for the past 17 years is beyond inane. It is churlish and juvenile. Develop some foreign policy please and stop the floundering. Grow thicker skin. Your paper thin skin is so unmanly. 

Edited January 7, 2020 by spidermike007