U.S. Senate rejects Democratic bid for documents in Trump impeachment trial

[Chiphigh]

Just now, Sujo said:

So you are ok with senators perjuring their oath.

If that were the case, sure. But it is merely a biased opinion you possess. 

[Tug]

6 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Well, you can't possibly think that the tactics of the democrats don't have anything to do with the gridlock in the congress or the likely hood of working across the aisle. Meanwhile, he has still accomplished more than any president has in his first term, despite the relentless attacks. 

Congress is running pretty smoothly it’s the senate that’s gridlocked and that would be mostly Mitch McConnells doing and why all the jabber on this subject no evidence or witnesses = rigged trial we all see it and the republicans will pay the price in November 

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, Chiphigh said:

Thank you for the continued condescending tone, must be those years of govt service. 

 

This is not a constitution issue, if it was, there would have been bipartisan votes to approve the impeachment articles because there would have been undeniable facts and a reason other than a partisan attempt to remove a president. 

Yes it gets tiresome explaining to those that refuse to see the facts.

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Bit hard to know with a trial without documents or witnesses. First ever.

Yes. It's not a real trial and the preordained acquittal will have no credibility in the eyes of the the public that aren't already 45 cult of personality followers. 

 

9 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

The Circumstantial evidence you refer to is full of assumptions and innuendo. 

 

It will go nowhere. As will this third attempt at a coup. 

No coup attempts. Try please to be more fact based. 

[Chiphigh]

1 minute ago, Tug said:

Congress is running pretty smoothly it’s the senate that’s gridlocked and that would be mostly Mitch McConnells doing and why all the jabber on this subject no evidence or witnesses = rigged trial we all see it and the republicans will pay the price in November 

No, but you can keep believing it. 

 

The rigging was done in the house. Now you are going to reap the result. 

[Sujo]

Just now, Chiphigh said:

No, but you can keep believing it. 

 

The rigging was done in the house. Now you are going to reap the result. 

The result is that trump is forever impeached.

 

About 75% of the public want witnesses. Without that the oubluc will not consider it a trial, which it isnt, and not a real acquittal.

 

The further evidence will also come out anyway and then senators will have a lot of explaining to do.

 

I see parnas is trolling trump nearly every day. Trump denies, parnas publishes more.

[Chiphigh]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes. It's not a real trial and the preordained acquittal will have no credibility in the eyes of the the public that aren't already 45 cult of personality followers. 

 

No coup attempts. Try please to be more fact based. 

The credibility failure was in the house. You can believe what you need to. The lack of having a vote prior to hearings and subpoenas is not the correct procedure. 

 

No previous president has ever been a target of this kind of unfounded attack. 

 

Sad thing is, the people cheering it on stand on some kind of moral superiority that it is all justified. 

[Chiphigh]

7 minutes ago, Sujo said:

It is the case. Each senator swore an oath before the trial. But even before that lindsay graham said he wouldnt even listen and had made up his mind. And moscow mitch is working in lockstep with whitehouse counsel.

 

Its a wonder the bible didnt go up in flames.

And over a dozen people on the house judiciary Committee voted to impeach before this phony hearing started. Have at least some objective reality based thoughts before Making these kinds of statements. 

[Tulak]

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Please don't ever put words in my mouth. 

You're entitled to your opinion about this impeached president. 

In my opinion as historians have already indicated albeit prematurely he is destined to be rated among the worst American presidents and possibly the very worst. 

...even before the end of his term. Boy, I really need that "crystal ball". It may be high time to buy some gold...

[Chiphigh]

8 minutes ago, Sujo said:

The result is that trump is forever impeached.

 

About 75% of the public want witnesses. Without that the oubluc will not consider it a trial, which it isnt, and not a real acquittal.

 

The further evidence will also come out anyway and then senators will have a lot of explaining to do.

 

I see parnas is trolling trump nearly every day. Trump denies, parnas publishes more.

Yes, we heard Nancy and watched her smile at the signing ceremony, which proves this is all a political hit with zero actual validation. 

 

That will be forever 

[Chiphigh]

17 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Yes it gets tiresome explaining to those that refuse to see the facts.

Yes, I see your opinions are considered facts. 

 

That is quite tiresome. Maybe too much powder in the wig? 

[Gweiloman]

16 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Yes it gets tiresome explaining to those that refuse to see the facts.

I’m not an American so I don’t have a dog in the fight. But watching Fox and reading the posts here, I notice that Trump supporters are unable to accept clear and obvious facts or undeniable conclusions.  Instead they deflect to matters of irrelevance, like the whistleblower and the Bidens, both of which have zero relevance to Trump’s actions. 
Must be the kool-aid. 

[Chiphigh]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I’m not an American so I don’t have a dog in the fight. But watching Fox and reading the posts here, I notice that Trump supporters are unable to accept clear and obvious facts or undeniable conclusions.  Instead they deflect to matters of irrelevance, like the whistleblower and the Bidens, both of which have zero relevance to Trump’s actions. 
Must be the kool-aid. 

Wait, the whistlblower has zero relevance in the fantasy created by him who has stated that he has a plan for impeachment years ago and met with Obama administration nsc and doj officials while in a meeting with Ukrainian officials at the white house to discuss burisma? And you think it's not relevant? As well as the whistlblower who worked with another nsc employee hired by Adam schiff and is on his staff? 

 

What planet are you on? 

[JHolmesJr]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Then why isnt the doj investigating him. You must hate the repubs being so incompetent.

 

all of which has nothing to do with what trump is on trial for.

 

You seem to be in a tearing hurry...Biden's time will come....I dont know if you passed law school....the first step before launching an investigation is to establish grounds...which is what DJT was discussing with Z of Ukraine...he also said my DA will be in touch.

 

Protocol was followed to a T.  Of course the Dems panicked because they're all about to be roasted over a spit, hence we have this charade playing out.

 

I repeat...Bidens turn will come...but first we need a glorious acquittal of DJT. 

[metisdead]

A troll post using a trolling representation of Mitch McConnell's name has been removed. 

[JHolmesJr]

14 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Instead they deflect to matters of irrelevance, like the whistleblower and the Bidens, both of which have zero relevance to Trump’s actions. 

 

That's like saying clouds have no connection to making rain.

Or garbage has no connection to a rotten stink.

Biden's dodgy dealings are very deserving of Trump's

suspicions. The issue isn't that he asked Z to look into it....

we must also understand why he did it. Otherwise every 

corrupt politician will start running for president to avoid being investigated.

[Gweiloman]

8 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Wait, the whistlblower has zero relevance in the fantasy created by him who has stated that he has a plan for impeachment years ago and met with Obama administration nsc and doj officials while in a meeting with Ukrainian officials at the white house to discuss burisma? And you think it's not relevant? As well as the whistlblower who worked with another nsc employee hired by Adam schiff and is on his staff? 

 

What planet are you on? 

You mean the whistleblower revealed that he had been planning impeachment procedures against Trump for years? Would appreciate a link to that (other than FOX). If true, it still has no relevance as the case against Trump is based on the testimony of 17 other witnesses, not the whistleblower. If false, then it’s yet another example of the thousands of untruths and lies spoken by Trump and his supporters. 
 

Tell me, do you think that Parnas was planted by the Dems and coached on what to say? That all the evidence he is producing has been fabricated? That Sondland was in fact a mole groomed by the Dems to infiltrate the Republican party and that his donation of $1 million was a calculated gambit to ensure that he would be Trump’s appointed ambassador so that the Dems could put their devious plan into action? If so, then the Dems are the real geniuses, not the self proclaimed stable genius. 

[Sujo]

10 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

You seem to be in a tearing hurry...Biden's time will come....I dont know if you passed law school....the first step before launching an investigation is to establish grounds...which is what DJT was discussing with Z of Ukraine...he also said my DA will be in touch.

 

Protocol was followed to a T.  Of course the Dems panicked because they're all about to be roasted over a spit, hence we have this charade playing out.

 

I repeat...Bidens turn will come...but first we need a glorious acquittal of DJT. 

Great, you admit trump asked Z. Thats why he was impeached. He cannot do that. 

 

Why did trump withold aid?

now what changed for him to release it?

[Gweiloman]

8 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

That's like saying clouds have no connection to making rain.

Or garbage has no connection to a rotten stink.

Biden's dodgy dealings are very deserving of Trump's

suspicions. The issue isn't that he asked Z to look into it....

we must also understand why he did it. Otherwise every 

corrupt politician will start running for president to avoid being investigated.

Strange. Every expert opinion I have come across confirms that the proper channel is for the Americans themselves to investigate Biden. I did not hear one opinion (not even on Fox) that even tried to imply that it was proper for a foreign government to investigate. 
 

[Ricohoc]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

Trumps lawyers slaughtered the case in the first 2 hours. Dems must be sickened they have been caught out (again) using half-truths and partisan BS. Lots more to come.

 

It was something to behold.  

 

What we learned:

1. The transcript shows that there were no conditions regarding aid to Ukraine.

2. Zelinsky has stated more than once that there was no pressure and no quid pro quo.

3. The Ukraine wasn't even aware that the aid was paused.

4. There was no witness called that testified to any firsthand knowledge of conditions regarding aid to Ukraine.

5. The Ukraine received the aid and did nothing for it -- not even what the gossipers alleged.

6.  Ukraine support was strengthened.

 

 

[Sujo]

10 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

That's like saying clouds have no connection to making rain.

Or garbage has no connection to a rotten stink.

Biden's dodgy dealings are very deserving of Trump's

suspicions. The issue isn't that he asked Z to look into it....

we must also understand why he did it. Otherwise every 

corrupt politician will start running for president to avoid being investigated.

The reasons are irrelevant. The fact he did it wrong is what got him impeached.

[Gweiloman]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Great, you admit trump asked Z. Thats why he was impeached. He cannot do that. 

 

 

Not only that. Barr distanced himself from that conversation pronto. 

[JHolmesJr]

Just now, Sujo said:

The reasons are irrelevant. The fact he did it wrong is what got him impeached.

 

you obviously know nothing about law...and the broad powers of the commander in chief.

you're about to find out.

[JHolmesJr]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Strange. Every expert opinion I have come across confirms that the proper channel is for the Americans themselves to investigate Biden. I did not hear one opinion (not even on Fox) that even tried to imply that it was proper for a foreign government to investigate. 
 

 

Right...but the alleged misconduct has occurred in a foreign country not in Queens or Orange County.

Foreign assistance, as per international law is not off limits.

[Gweiloman]

2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

you obviously know nothing about law...and the broad powers of the commander in chief.

you're about to find out.

 Neither does your so called commander in chief. All he knows is abuse of power. 
It boggles the mind that any semi educated person can support a thug and bully like Trump. Heck, I would rather support Prayut. 

[Jingthing]

46 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

The credibility failure was in the house. You can believe what you need to. The lack of having a vote prior to hearings and subpoenas is not the correct procedure. 

 

No previous president has ever been a target of this kind of unfounded attack. 

 

Sad thing is, the people cheering it on stand on some kind of moral superiority that it is all justified. 

Impeachment is a totally legitimate constitutional process. The 45 cult objections to the procedure in the house is just another irrelevant distraction. Investigation and impeaching this particular president is not only founded but necessary. It's bad enough that the senate will acquit. He has set a precedent that no president can be subject to oversight. No documents released. No witnesses released. That's not the American system. That's the system of autocratic dictatorships. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

 Neither does your so called commander in chief. All he knows is abuse of power. 
It boggles the mind that any semi educated person can support a thug and bully like Trump. Heck, I would rather support Prayut. 

45 said it himself. He could randomly shoot people on 5th Avenue and his followers would still stick with him. That's why even if documents and witnesses are correctly allowed in the sham senate trial, the republicans senators still won't remove regardless of how damning any new evidence. But it still should be done for the sake of public knowledge and history. Of course the full details will still come out anyway, just later and not at his sham trial. 

[Jingthing]

 

 

14 minutes ago, Ricohoc said:

 

It was something to behold.  

 

What we learned:

1. The transcript shows that there were no conditions regarding aid to Ukraine.

2. Zelinsky has stated more than once that there was no pressure and no quid pro quo.

3. The Ukraine wasn't even aware that the aid was paused.

4. There was no witness called that testified to any firsthand knowledge of conditions regarding aid to Ukraine.

5. The Ukraine received the aid and did nothing for it -- not even what the gossipers alleged.

6.  Ukraine support was strengthened.

 

 

Sounds like yet another endorsement for the proper release of previously blocked documents and witnesses for the senate trial. As the vast majority of Americans support. Americans know, no documents, no witnesses, is nothing like a real trial. If the 45 cult of personality senators let this stand, it will be the first impeachment trial in history without witnesses. There is no excuse for that except the obvious -- they assume the documents and witnesses will be damning to their dear leader. 

[Sujo]

14 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

you obviously know nothing about law...and the broad powers of the commander in chief.

you're about to find out.

Better tell that to the legal scholars. They gave up on it and now only say its not impeachable.

 

my law degree states otherwise.

[Jingthing]

50 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Yes, we heard Nancy and watched her smile at the signing ceremony, which proves this is all a political hit with zero actual validation. 

 

That will be forever 

It proves nothing of the kind.