How to unfreeze UK pension .

[Liverpudlian]

18 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

You don"t need a passport to live in the UK.

Niether do boat people.

[elliss]

On 1/24/2020 at 2:46 PM, saengd said:

That was me, yes, 7 weeks and property in The Lakes.

 

 UK bank account, doctors address and also Council Tax and Electoral roll registration.

 

What other question can I answer?

  Council Tax , Electoral registration , also confirm your payment of utliity bills .

  Big brother knows , you know ,.

    Topic closed ...

       

 

Edited January 26, 2020 by elliss

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, elliss said:

........... also confirm your payment of utliity bills .

What if you live with your mom and dad? (like Sanemax)

Or one of your children, or you house share?

Edited January 26, 2020 by BritManToo

[elliss]

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

What if you live with your mom and dad?

(like Sanemax)

 

        Not just yet , i am only  65. ish. 

  However  that said . they have promised to keep me a place up there , no more taxes , paradise....

 

Edited January 26, 2020 by elliss

[izod10]

1 hour ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we set out to deceive.

 

Also doubt the pensions office will go for the PO Box number.

 

I do warm to the idea of claiming winter heating allowance while roasting in Thailand.

 

Do not put PO,use the number  suite,room,flat  whatever     usually they have distinct addresses 

[izod10]

44 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I'm fairly certain homeless people are entitled to pensions (if they ever paid NI).

I've always used the last address I stayed at in the UK.

My bank doesn't seem to care, the DVLC doesn't care, the passport office didn't care, my doctor doesn't care.

Once you've lived at an address, nobody ever requires you to still prove you live there.

Even the DWP dont care,its just a b.loody nonsense,nobody could give a monkeys left tit actually. Its only reading these threads that you realise just how frightened some people are. 

 

Jealousy sparks some weird and wonderful responses,the green eyed monster at work,there's a famous one viewing as I write

 

  Yes ,some really would like to drop you in it,not that anything can be done about anything,  but DWP states   ..and I quote" not all allegations of benefit fraud will be investigated"  and you can bet your bottom dollar this is one

[DaRoadrunner]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Once you've lived at an address, nobody ever requires you to still prove you live there.

I suspect they would want some evidence when first applying for pension? I further suspect they would post documents / forms to that address.

 

All posts so far appear to be speculation... does anyone actually know what the requirements are? I did take a look at the Govt website and came away needing some paracetamol. Some anally retentive civil servant spends his miserable life writing that stuff.

Edited January 26, 2020 by DaRoadrunner

[izod10]

12 hours ago, DaRoadrunner said:

I suspect they would want some evidence when first applying for pension? I further suspect they would post documents / forms to that address.

 

 

You will need an address,preferably in the UK ,or proof of life will be sent once a year.

    somebody anybody to receive max of two letters a year to rip up instantly.

 

  Two months before pension date you receive letter from DWP informing you one days OAP payment has been sent to your bank,again pref. UK    no need to respond to any of it.

 

    Then transferwise into Bangkok Bank preferably

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, izod10 said:

You will need an address,preferably in the UK ,or proof of life will be sent once a year.

    somebody anybody to receive max of two letters a year to rip up instantly.

 

  Two months before pension date you receive letter from DWP informing you one days OAP payment has been sent to your bank,again pref. UK    no need to respond to any of it.

 

    Then transferwise into Bangkok Bank preferably

I started my pension last May. Recieved a letter and forms at my UK address 2 months prior. Went on line and completed everything from there.

 

One slight problem was that I was asked to contact DWP by phone to confirm some details. 0800 number only. I'm aware that it is possible, though not easy, to call an 0800 number from Thailand but unsure if the recipient of the call would be aware that the call originated outside the UK. Waited a couple of weeks until my pre planned annual visit to the UK. Called the number and was asked a couple of security questions to confirm my identity. After doing this successfuly the guy at the DWP said, "Thanks for that, no more questions" and hung up on me. My pension started on time and continues to this day. I was left wondering if the call was to check that I was genuinely in the UK. I have had zero correspondence with the DWP since then.

[Letseng]

20 hours ago, possum1931 said:

There are official companies that will give you a street address and pass on mail to you, but for a price. You can get a business address or a private address depending on which company you use.

And everybody will know that you don't live at this address????

[NoshowJones]

45 minutes ago, Letseng said:

And everybody will know that you don't live at this address????

No one is going to be interested, may I point out that I do not have an account with any mail company.

[rickudon]

I know you are not entitled to the winter fuel allowance if living abroad, but i assume you still are entitled to the Magnificent 10 GBP Xmas bonus?

[DannyCarlton]

14 minutes ago, rickudon said:

I know you are not entitled to the winter fuel allowance if living abroad, but i assume you still are entitled to the Magnificent 10 GBP Xmas bonus?

I get both. Winter fuel allowance=summer cooling allowance.

[DaRoadrunner]

9 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Recieved a letter and forms at my UK address 2 months prior.

Did you request these forms or were they sent automatically?

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Did you request these forms or were they sent automatically?

A notification of my upcoming entitlement was sent to me. It included a unique ID to be entered on the website when applying for my pension entitlement. I had already tried to apply online but the questionaire ran to several pages and had some really tricky questions. By using the unique ID I was presented with a much simpler questionaire with no tricky questions. Took me less than 30 minutes to complete. Apart from the dodgy phone call, job done.

[NanLaew]

On 1/24/2020 at 1:19 PM, BritManToo said:

Move to the Philippines would be the easiest choice.

As they have a pension increase agreement with the UK.

Based on the figures in the OP, I would need a bit more than the 65 quid a week incentive to relocate to the PI.

[izod10]

Do not let the private pension and DWP addresses clash,tax people may smell a rat.

   If you have a friend already retired who does not want you sending pension letters to his house as it would clash with his DWP correspondence,   put a small (b) alongside his   (say he lives at 120 whatever,with his permission( put your address as 120b)   looks as if partitioned,mailman will stuff all letters through 120

 

  nobody has ever been stuffed with a frozen pension,but if you start with one,its harder to get shut (and still live here)

 

[DannyCarlton]

22 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Do not let the private pension and DWP addresses clash,tax people may smell a rat.

   If you have a friend already retired who does not want you sending pension letters to his house as it would clash with his DWP correspondence,   put a small (b) alongside his   (say he lives at 120 whatever,with his permission( put your address as 120b)   looks as if partitioned,mailman will stuff all letters through 120

 

  nobody has ever been stuffed with a frozen pension,but if you start with one,its harder to get shut (and still live here)

 

No logic in this whatsoever. Changing your address slightly will misalign it with your postcode. I made a genuine mistake of putting my address as 1 XXXX, whereas it should have been Flat 1 xxxx. DWP picked up on this.

 

Perfectly feasable for 2 pensioners to live at the same address, I'm sure it often happens. More likely to arouse suspicion by messing with your address.

[izod10]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

No logic in this whatsoever. Changing your address slightly will misalign it with your postcode. I made a genuine mistake of putting my address as 1 XXXX, whereas it should have been Flat 1 xxxx. DWP picked up on this.

 

Perfectly feasable for 2 pensioners to live at the same address, I'm sure it often happens. More likely to arouse suspicion by messing with your address.

done in the past,worked well

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, izod10 said:

done in the past,worked well

Done in the past. DWP picked it up instantly.

In the UK postal address database, every individual address under a particular postcode is registered and listed. If the address you put isn't listed on the database it won't be acccepted.

[saengd]

On 1/26/2020 at 1:15 PM, Letseng said:

Hope for the best. 

Dwp sends you a questionnaire to determine whether you are habitually resident. One of the questions is :do you own the property", another one whether this home is available at any time (if you just rent). This means you need a permanent address at all times. If caught cheating, they eventually fine you by deducting money.

This is completely wrong and untrue. DWP does not use the habitual residency test and never have, they do however have a questionnaire that attempts to determine the pattern of the claimants normal and settled lifestyle which is nothing to do with residency.

[codebunny]

you mean statutory residency test?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rdr3-statutory-residence-test-srt

https://home.kpmg/content/dam/kpmg/pdf/2016/01/statutory-residence-test-flowchart.pdf

[saengd]

3 hours ago, codebunny said:

you mean statutory residency test?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rdr3-statutory-residence-test-srt

https://home.kpmg/content/dam/kpmg/pdf/2016/01/statutory-residence-test-flowchart.pdf

The DWP does not use the statutory residency test either, not to determine eligibility for pension increases.

[DaRoadrunner]

Looking at the above posts one is left confused. Not surprising considering we are dealing with government who are buried up to their necks in confusing regulations.

 

Despite everyones best efforts on this thread, Roadrunner is none the wiser and wary of opening a can of government worms.

[saengd]

1 hour ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Looking at the above posts one is left confused. Not surprising considering we are dealing with government who are buried up to their necks in confusing regulations.

 

Despite everyones best efforts on this thread, Roadrunner is none the wiser and wary of opening a can of government worms.

It seems complicated but really i isn't.

 

DWP doesn't use either the statutory residency test nor the habitual residency test to determine eligibility for state pension increases, those things are used for UK tax and UK benefits purposes only.

 

DWP does assess each persons lifestyle individually to see if they are eligible for the increases, lifestyles can be very complicated involving lots of travel and time spent outside the UK yet the person may still be eligible for the increases.