Brexit trade deal clash: UK and EU spar over rules

[izod10]

3 hours ago, tebee said:

Of course, this worked so well in the Cod wars, were we brought mighty Iceland to it knees  and they surrendered and gave us everything we desired.....

..but this time its UKs turn

   Iceland did well,  but Boris will do better,he will see the EU off.  Proposing a full customs check ,both sides, will see a hard border in ireland, just what Boris wants.  Even as journalist he described the irish as useful idiots,they played a wonderful hand to land Boris what he wanted .  ireland are knocked out of the EU completely   seek IMF help   sent back to BC 450   lol     Good one Boris

[Matzzon]

20 hours ago, webfact said:

Brexit trade deal clash: UK and EU spar over rules

Yes, this little prestige fight in going to go on for ever. That instead of acting like grown ups and think about the future.

[candide]

6 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

As an outsider i do not know the detailed production structures and revenue / cost structures in the individual Nissan plants. What and how market shares in the Renault-Nissan Daimler-Mitsubishi alliance to be distributed behind closed doors I can not say. At most, there were guesses.

But in general i can say that all unprofitable plants are always put to the test bench. 

The trend in this industry is to have platform-based factories. For multi-brand companies it means the same production platform builds brand variants from the same body, i.e. a Renault car and Nissan car, or a VW car and a Seat car. So apart from specialty cars, it can be expected that most cars by Renault or Nissan will be produced in the same factory.

[talahtnut]

After all these arguments with endless boring

facts and figures.

The question remains, why does the EU want

to keep us in?

Amusingly, Angela Merkel is quoted as saying,

that we, the EU, will have to 'work harder' now.

One of you posters described Verhoffstadt as

a 'swivel eyed lunatic', but that just about sums

up the entire EU ideology, reaching right back

to Kalergi.

[Baerboxer]

On 2/4/2020 at 9:08 AM, vogie said:

What the EU are asking from the UK is totally unacceptable, the only thing Barnier didn't ask for was the crown jewels. So it looks like we will be leaving with the Australia Deal, which when a reporter was asked what it was he said "its no deal but just sounds better.

 

Of course Barnier will start unreasonable. Just like when he said there would be no extensions etc. He's working as Macron's puppet and needs replacing. 

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The Channel Islands are not part of the EU as far as I know.

 

The Channel Islands are not part of the EU and only a small percentage of residents are able to vote in the referendum on whether the UK should remain a member. ... The most southerly part of the British Isles, the islands are self-governing Crown Dependencies, not members of the EU and not part of the UK.

[tebee]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The Channel Islands are not part of the EU as far as I know.

Even so the existing agreement lapsed with the UK leaving the EU. (Even though Guernsey is not in the EU.) - I'ts one of those things that didn't get carried over into the transition period.

[tebee]

5 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

The Channel Islands are not part of the EU and only a small percentage of residents are able to vote in the referendum on whether the UK should remain a member. ... The most southerly part of the British Isles, the islands are self-governing Crown Dependencies, not members of the EU and not part of the UK.

The move followed the UK leaving the EU on Friday, which put an end to the London Fisheries Convention that allowed French fishermen to access waters between six and 12 nautical miles around the Bailiwick.

https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/02/04/troubled-waters-for-islands-fisherman-as-france-looks-to-block-boats-landing-catches/

[tebee]

7 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Great opportunity there for a British entrepreneur

on the mainland.

Process that EU!

Two problems there.

 

Guernsey is a lot further away from the UK  mainland than France - roughly a 24 hour round trip in a fishing boat.

 

We just don't eat a lot of what they catch there - squid isn't that popular in the UK  

[tebee]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Oh good, tebees back along with his twitter account.

Have you missed me? - Been off converting my other house here next door into 3 flats to let out so I've got enough income to live here in a post brexit world.

 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

Have you missed me? - Been off converting my other house here next door into 3 flats to let out so I've got enough income to live here in a post brexit world.

 

The rents in France, especially rural France can be quite disappointing, I had a one bedroomed detached bungalow in about a half of an acre. I asked about renting it out and I was advised I would expect to achieve about 150 - 200 euro a month, but I was in the middle of nowhere. 

[bristolboy]

7 hours ago, izod10 said:

Does not make an ounce of difference (you used it before)  The UK is out of the EU and will knock the EU out too.

  Its old hat,means nothing now,nothing at all.

  Just concentrate on what Boris is about to achieve,destruction of the EU 

What I've noticed about Brexiters is that they can time travel.  Otherwise how could we trust their assertions about what the future will bring?

[bristolboy]

19 minutes ago, tebee said:

Two problems there.

 

Guernsey is a lot further away from the UK  mainland than France - roughly a 24 hour round trip in a fishing boat.

 

We just don't eat a lot of what they catch there - squid isn't that popular in the UK  

I have it on good Brexiter authority that within 20 years no Channel Island will be farther than 10 knots from Blighty. 

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

What I've noticed about Brexiters is that they can time travel.  Otherwise how could we trust their assertions about what the future will bring?

Unlike the deadly accurate prophecies of doom from the remain consortium and Mystic Meg? 

[bristolboy]

5 hours ago, talahtnut said:

After all these arguments with endless boring

facts and figures.

The question remains, why does the EU want

to keep us in?

Amusingly, Angela Merkel is quoted as saying,

that we, the EU, will have to 'work harder' now.

One of you posters described Verhoffstadt as

a 'swivel eyed lunatic', but that just about sums

up the entire EU ideology, reaching right back

to Kalergi.

Unlike Brexiters, the EU is not delusional about the consequences of Brexit. As they have pointed out, Brexit will not be good for the EU. It's the Brexiters who believe that if Brexit is bad for the EU, then it must be good for the UK. Because, you know, there's no such thing as a lose-lose outcome.

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I have it on good Brexiter authority that within 20 years no Channel Island will be farther than 10 knots from Blighty. 

If you want to be completely salty, please use nautical miles for maritime distance units. Knots are units of speed, or tied rope fastenings.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If you want to be completely salty, please use nautical miles for maritime distance units. Knots are units of speed, or tied rope fastenings.

Odd how pedantic Brexiteers can be regarding posts on here but so relaxed over the details of Brexit where a "It will be OK. Stop putting the UK down" attitude prevails. 

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Unlike Brexiters, the EU is not delusional about the consequences of Brexit. As they have pointed out, Brexit will not be good for the EU. It's the Brexiters who believe that if Brexit is bad for the EU, then it must be good for the UK. Because, you know, there's no such thing as a lose-lose outcome.

I am sure that both sides can see problems of no trade deal. Your comment about Brexiteers beliefs is false, but expected, of course.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Odd how pedantic Brexiteers can be regarding posts on here but so relaxed over the details of Brexit where a "It will be OK. Stop putting the UK down" attitude prevails. 

The "pedantic" post was relaxed as well. ????

[bristolboy]

14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I am sure that both sides can see problems of no trade deal. Your comment about Brexiteers beliefs is false, but expected, of course.

Really, so your opinion is that Brexit will be economically harmful to the UK?

[tebee]

49 minutes ago, vogie said:

The rents in France, especially rural France can be quite disappointing, I had a one bedroomed detached bungalow in about a half of an acre. I asked about renting it out and I was advised I would expect to achieve about 150 - 200 euro a month, but I was in the middle of nowhere. 

That sounds low to me  Round this  bit of rural France the bedsits seem to go from 170-250 a month. "Coincidentally" 250 is the max government rent support you'll get as a single person.   I've just let a small 2 bed house in a small town to a Romainian family for 350  per month - but we only paid 19,000 for it in the first place so it's a decent rate of return, unlike the 5 bed house my wife rents out in the BKK suburbs which is valued at 5 million baht, but only produces the equivalent of 400 euros per month. 

 

For the 3 flats I've just done I'm hoping to get 250 and 300 for the two 2 bed ones and 180 for the studio  - I prefer to offer slightly lower rents than normal and have tenants that don't want to move

[tebee]

40 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I am sure that both sides can see problems of no trade deal. Your comment about Brexiteers beliefs is false, but expected, of course.

But have you noticed how Boris is now trying to rebrand "no deal" as the "Australian deal" - hint Australia does not have a traded deal with the EU..

[billd766]

21 hours ago, baansgr said:

Wouldn't that be lovely...an era pre 1950...bit befor my time but yes can imagine 50 hour working weeks, no paid sick.leave, still living amongst bomb sites from WW2, rationing, gas lamps, parafin heaters, etc, etc....I think you have the wrong idea about brexiters...

I was brought up during that time. It was a time that you knew and spoke to your neighbours, when people were much healthier from the food rationing. I my road in Poole we still had gas street lights until the 1960's, paraffin stoves, coal and coke fires, where your kids were perfectly safe and if you wanted a drink or to use the toilet you just knocked on anybody's door and asked. There no bomb sites nearer than 3 miles from where I lived.

 

It was a time when you could leave your homes unlocked when you went out, there was 0% chance of being stabbed in the street, when you could stop and chat without the annoyance of smart phones, when there was great public transport, buses and trains were available. There was an NHS that was well staffed and well run and if you wanted to see a doctor (usually the family doctor) you just went to the surgery and took your turn instead of phoning and waiting 3 weeks for an appointment by which time you are either better or dead.

 

During the 1980s, 90s and 00s a 50 hour working week for me was normal and my longest working week was 96 hours to get the job done on time. Granted I was paid overtime and yes I got paid sick leave.

 

Would I like to live back in those times? I miss a lot of them but modern technology makes up for a lot of it.

 

I still have school mates from back in those days that I keep in loose touch with.

[vogie]

17 minutes ago, tebee said:

But have you noticed how Boris is now trying to rebrand "no deal" as the "Australian deal" - hint Australia does not have a traded deal with the EU..

We all know what a great wordsmith Boris is, and an 'Australian deal' does sound better than 'no deal'

[billd766]

20 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Hard to believe that. Enoch was anti immigration for non white Christians or so I was led to believe.

 

And he wasn't that far wrong either though he was laughed at at the time.

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[tebee]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

We all know what a great wordsmith Boris is, and an 'Australian deal' does sound better than 'no deal'

But it's all very 1984 newspeak -  Orwell believed that totalitarianism and the corruption of language were connected. He focused especially on political language where you distorted events and concepts by calling them something else. 

[izod10]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

But have you noticed how Boris is now trying to rebrand "no deal" as the "Australian deal" - hint Australia does not have a traded deal with the EU..

You just trade,no need for trade agreement,just buy and sell as need arises. Problem with EU goods were artificially hiked,French farmers getting paid far more than their worth.  Once UK out of EU watch those EU buyers flock over to the UK on buying sprees,everything way over the top,is it 23% VAT over there?,think ireland even higher or about to be as the country is broke

   Boris is on a winner,just bide his time,no need to negotiate on anything

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, tebee said:

But it's all very 1984 newspeak -  Orwell believed that totalitarianism and the corruption of language were connected. He focused especially on political language where you distorted events and concepts by calling them something else. 

I personally wouldn't describe democracy as totalitarianism, let's not forget, nor should we that Boris was more popular with the British public than any other leader of any other political party and his popularity grows by every day he is in office.

[Opl]

22 minutes ago, izod10 said:

You just trade,no need for trade agreement,just buy and sell as need arises. Problem with EU goods were artificially hiked,French farmers getting paid far more than their worth.  Once UK out of EU watch those EU buyers flock over to the UK on buying sprees,everything way over the top,is it 23% VAT over there?,think ireland even higher or about to be as the country is broke

   Boris is on a winner,just bide his time,no need to negotiate on anything

and of course you believe you'll trade with the US the same way, "no need for trade agreement, just buy and sell" ? Or maybe you'll impose your terms?