UK plans to introduce border controls on EU goods after post-Brexit transition

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, samran said:

Man with this topic, this kind of stuff writes itself...

 

Brexit is the gift that just keeps on giving! 

No the funniest thing is it gets Non Brits who are all experts on British Politics and ideas, talking absolute rollocks.

 

What exciting lives these non Brits have.

[candide]

13 hours ago, david555 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/12/uk-alignment-on-eu-standards-price-to-pay-for-trade-deal-say-meps

 

UK alignment on EU standards price to pay for trade deal, say MEPs

Vote comes as bloc wields its powers to force change in UK domestic law during transition

The European parliament has called on Michel Barnier to keep Britain permanently tied to its employment, environment and competition laws as the price for maintaining free trade with the EU.

In a resolution adopted by 543 votes to 39, with 69 abstentions, MEPs said there needed to be “dynamic alignment” with EU standards across a range of issues ????

 

 

(This seems to be more than a majority from 80 votes) ????

Those pesky elected representatives may make one reconsider criticism against (so called) unelected commissioners! ????

Edited February 13, 2020 by candide

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No the funniest thing is it gets Non Brits who are all experts on British Politics and ideas, talking absolute rollocks.

 

What exciting lives these non Brits have.

No doubt you yourself live up to your ideals and never express any views on what is happening in any other countries.

 

A pity though, I expect they just can't wait to be enlightened by your thoughtful, accurate, and insightful analysis!  

[luckyluke]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No the funniest thing is it gets Non Brits who are all experts on British Politics and ideas, talking absolute rollocks.

 

 

Something similar to the Brits talking about Thailand Immigration regulations.

Most of them are convinced that everyone needs 40 or 65000, 400 or 800000.

That no one has enough state pension to get an extension based on income.

They see their situation, so for them it must be automatically the case for everyone.

[CG1 Blue]

10 hours ago, samran said:

One does wonder why he was does dress up ‘no deal’ as ‘Australian trade arrangements’. Most likely cause he knows it’s another slogan, and you blokes like your slogans. 

As I understand it - and I could be wrong - the EU and Australia have bespoke minor agreements in place on certain things, without having a full FTA? 

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, samran said:

I didn’t fudge anything, I just put a legitimate link to your response.

 

But like anything on this topic, it is open to interpretation! 
 

350 million pounds anyone?

350 million, there you go, another one! We could start a game of Remainer cliché bingo on here ????

[david555]

11 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

As I understand it - and I could be wrong - the EU and Australia have bespoke minor agreements in place on certain things, without having a full FTA? 

27 members giving them E.U. maybe an advantage ???? ? Maybe Australia see it that way too....who knows.. ????

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No the funniest thing is it gets Non Brits who are all experts on British Politics and ideas, talking absolute rollocks.

 

What exciting lives these non Brits have.

I think I speak for the entire group when I say we are all grateful for your rapier insights into British politics. 

[samran]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No the funniest thing is it gets Non Brits who are all experts on British Politics and ideas, talking absolute rollocks.

 

What exciting lives these non Brits have.

God forbid one has a broad interest in global politics and economics. Clearly this is a crime for the parochial types. 
 

But you clearly don’t have to scratch the surface very much for blokes like yourself to show your true colours with comments like this. 

[samran]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

350 million, there you go, another one! We could start a game of Remainer cliché bingo on here ????

Oh, so it was the remain campaign who drove this around? Thanks for clearing that one up...another up is down revision from the brainstrust. 

[samran]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

As I understand it - and I could be wrong - the EU and Australia have bespoke minor agreements in place on certain things, without having a full FTA? 

Very minor, not preferential market access or anything of that manner.
 

Simply a mutual recognition agreement on testing for limited set of product standards and a wine agreement where we don’t use native regional names for alcoholic products (eg port sherry champagne) etc. 

[david555]

(So that makes it now then more official as before Brexit.... ???? )

 

Daniel Boffey in Brussels

Thu 13 Feb 2020 10.19 GMT

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/13/eu-to-put-cayman-islands-on-tax-haven-blacklist

In wake of Brexit, EU to put Cayman Islands on tax haven blacklist

Decision on British overseas territory comes less than two weeks after UK left bloc

 

The Cayman Islands, a British overseas territory, is to be put on an EU blacklist of tax havens, less than two weeks after the UK’s withdrawal from the bloc.

 

In a clear indication of the country’s loss of influence on the EU’s decision-making, the bloc’s 27 finance ministers are expected to sign off on the decision next week.

 

The EU’s blacklist is an attempt to clamp down on the estimated £506bn lost to aggressive tax avoidance every year but member states are not “screened” in the process of drawing up the blacklist.

 

more...

Edited February 13, 2020 by david555

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, samran said:

I didn’t fudge anything, I just put a legitimate link to your response.

 

But like anything on this topic, it is open to interpretation! 
 

350 million pounds anyone?

You have been fiddling -nothing legit there - not my thing by I will report next time.  

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, Mavideol said:

that's one of the best I have read/heard recently, thks for the good laugh 555

So sad.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, david555 said:

No need.... , they are all yours …. at breakfast , at lunch …& at dinner....????, until  you even can not stand the word "fish" anymore ...????....

Well missed. Again.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

I think I speak for the entire group when I say we are all grateful for your rapier insights into British politics. 

Wow. Are the Bay City Rollers getting back together?

[david555]

It seems something is cracking in number 10 …..and about  Andrea Leadsom ….well I think there is somewhere a short man with a smile on his face now … LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/feb/13/politics-live-cabinet-reshuffle-set-to-get-underway-live-news?page=with:block-5e4537f58f0811db2faf6ea7#block-5e4537f58f0811db2faf6ea7

 

 

Edited February 13, 2020 by david555

[samran]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

It seems something is cracking in number 10 …..and about  Andrea Leadsom ….well I think there is somewhere a short man with a smile on his face now … LOL

Ah, Boris, like his fanboys here, can’t stand differing opinions, which in the cabinet system is essential if you want the best out of your ministers and government. 
 

 

[samran]

22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You have been fiddling -nothing legit there - not my thing by I will report next time.  

Report it. I fiddled nothing. Not something I stoop too like others have done to my posts. 
 

If I’ve misinterpreted your one word answer, then that’s something different, but I didn’t edit your post.
 

Happy to let others decide.

Edited February 13, 2020 by samran

[evadgib]

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

350 million, there you go, another one! We could start a game of Remainer cliché bingo on here ????

Technically they're rejoiners bolstered by a substantial number of PONTI's. Unless or until something newsworthy arises i'm quite happy maintaining listening watch.

Edited February 13, 2020 by evadgib

[david555]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Technically they're rejoiners bolstered by a substantial number of PONTI's. Unless or until something newsworthy arises i'm quite happy maintaining listening watch.

So Downing #10 surprise reshuffle a la Trump …. sacking the unexpected one(s) is not newsworthy enough ? When the "messiah"  throw out his followers.....????

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, samran said:

Oh, so it was the remain campaign who drove this around? Thanks for clearing that one up...another up is down revision from the brainstrust. 

Posting a photo of the bus - even better.  I reckon that's worth 2 points in Remainer Cliché Bingo ????

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, david555 said:

(So that makes it now then more official as before Brexit.... ???? )

 

Daniel Boffey in Brussels

Thu 13 Feb 2020 10.19 GMT

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/13/eu-to-put-cayman-islands-on-tax-haven-blacklist

In wake of Brexit, EU to put Cayman Islands on tax haven blacklist

Decision on British overseas territory comes less than two weeks after UK left bloc

 

The Cayman Islands, a British overseas territory, is to be put on an EU blacklist of tax havens, less than two weeks after the UK’s withdrawal from the bloc.

 

In a clear indication of the country’s loss of influence on the EU’s decision-making, the bloc’s 27 finance ministers are expected to sign off on the decision next week.

 

The EU’s blacklist is an attempt to clamp down on the estimated £506bn lost to aggressive tax avoidance every year but member states are not “screened” in the process of drawing up the blacklist.

 

more...

And yet the EU continues to allow the likes of Luxembourg to be a tax haven. Oh that's right, Juncker when he was PM used tax breaks to transform tiny Luxembourg into an outlandishly high GDP per-capita country. No favouritism there then...

Netherlands and Ireland are not far behind as tax havens. 

 

The EU - a bastion of consistency and honesty! 

[david555]

12 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

And yet the EU continues to allow the likes of Luxembourg to be a tax haven. Oh that's right, Juncker when he was PM used tax breaks to transform tiny Luxembourg into an outlandishly high GDP per-capita country. No favouritism there then...

Netherlands and Ireland are not far behind as tax havens. 

 

The EU - a bastion of consistency and honesty! 

 

12 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

And yet the EU continues to allow the likes of Luxembourg to be a tax haven. Oh that's right, Juncker when he was PM used tax breaks to transform tiny Luxembourg into an outlandishly high GDP per-capita country. No favouritism there then...

Netherlands and Ireland are not far behind as tax havens. 

 

The EU - a bastion of consistency and honesty! 

Yeah ...but on those they have benefits I guess …..now the U.K. is out , and a third country ...the white cotton gloves go of ...as I predicted before , situation changed as before they (E.U.) hoped a change or soft approach from U.K. but as all brexiteers said Boris is a different kind than May ..... so a different approach from E.U. to Boris is normal 

 

I would not be surprised  some start emptying their safes already  ….. as they go look other places ……. would that have impact on GBP …..? 

Edited February 13, 2020 by david555

[CG1 Blue]

11 minutes ago, david555 said:

 

Yeah ...but on those they have benefits I guess …..now the U.K. is out , and a third country ...the white cotton gloves go of ...as I predicted before , situation changed as before they (E.U.) hoped a change or soft approach from U.K. but as all brexiteers said Boris is a different kind than May ..... so a different approach from E.U. to Boris is normal 

 

I would not be surprised  some start emptying their safes already  ….. as they go look other places ……. would that have impact on GBP …..? 

I used to work in this area. Basically funds are set up by investment managers with a Cayman Islands domicile, for tax reasons. If a corporate investor from the EU wants to invest in one of those funds, they will need to go through additional checks if Cayman is blacklisted by the EU. 

If Cayman is made to be too unattractive for investors, the investment managers would start to open funds in other tax havens instead. But to be honest, the biggest fund investors in the western world are in the US and UK, ie. are not EU investors. 

 

It won't impact the GBP, but it will definitely hurt the local Cayman economy. 

[englishoak]

Doomers still navel gazing i see.

 

The gambit of losing Javid would have been game played by no 10 and no shock... its about consolidating power and effectively taking control of no 11. Cummings got his way. Javids replacement is a good choice, more importantly LOYAL to Boris and will continue to be having been raised up at such a young age but hes a V smart lad and calm persona so good luck to him, the city likes and has confidence in the man.  

 

No 11 had EU centric advisers from Hammonds days and Javid was also a remainer .. those advisers have been getting sacked and pushed out over the last few months and Javid was told to sack the rest and he felt he had to fall on his sword, he was gamed and outplayed, remember he ran against Boris for leader so its not that big a surprise nor was he a staunch Boris ally, just a future issue to deal with, and has been. 

 

The advisers from no 10 will now also function as those to no 11, it allows Boris to actually get things done faster and on a more dramatic level. HUGE fiscal stimulus is coming and thats a good thing, the timing is right and having a treasury in step with no 10 is a smart move, from the perspective of Boris and Cummings. Its done, Cummings now has the control and for good or bad can set to work in earnest. Whitehall clear-out is coming next.   

 

The markets also like the move, it frees up spending in the UK after 10+ years of austerity.... investing in infrastructure and making sweeping changes ASAP sends a strong signal, the UK is OPEN for business and willing to make badly needed changes not done for 50 years ..

 

The EU has one less ally and even less civil servant allies which being unelected have far more power and influence than most realise, Its another good move by no 10 imo in a post Brexit world.

Edited February 13, 2020 by englishoak

[david555]

2 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Doomers still navel gazing i see.

 

The gambit of losing Javid would have been game planned by no 10... its about consolidating power and effectively taking control of no 11. Cummings got his way. His replacement is a good choice and more importantly LOYAL nd will continue to be having been raised up at such a a young age but hes a smart lad and calm with it.

 

No 11 had EU centric advisers from Hammonds days and Javid was also a remainer .. those advisers have been getting sacked and pushed out over the last few months and Javid was told to sack the rest and he felt he had to fall on his sword, he was gamed and outplayed, remember he ran against Boris for leader so its not that big a surprise not was he a staunch ally

 

The advisers from no 10 will now also function as those to no 11, t allows Boris to actually get things done faster and on a more dramatic level. HUGE fiscal stimulus is coming and thats a good thing, the timing is right and having a treasury in step with no 10 is a smart move, from the perspective of Boris and Cummings. Its done, Cummings now has the control and for good or bad can set to work in earnest.Whitehall clearout is coming next.   

 

The markets also like the move, it frees up spending in the UK after 10+ years of austerity.... investing in infrastructure and making sweeping changes ASAP sends a strong signal, the UK is OPEN for business and willing to make badly needed changes not done for 50 years ..

 

Its another good move by no 10 imo in a post Brexit world. 

For your last lines.....  I think the markets are up as the investors expect a rise in debt from gov. and so need more loans against a higher % , in other words they expect a derailing from the budget …...

 

Anyway not long anymore and the budget shall be public 

[englishoak]

9 minutes ago, david555 said:

For your last lines.....  I think the markets are up as the investors expect a rise in debt from gov. and so need more loans against a higher % , in other words they expect a derailing from the budget …...

 

Anyway not long anymore and the budget shall be public 

 

Oh the deficit is going to balloon for sure, markets love a spending spree but that was always on the cards especially with the votes from the north. Loans atm are cheap as they have ever been, its a good time to spend and do it on infrastructure is even better for the longterm.  So far so good  although i hate HS2 its also all about the appearance of boldness and vision, its what makes a country great and the UK needs vision for the future. 

 

I will wager Boris spending will makes peoples eyes water and mess with every traditional fiscal Tory out there, but thats what will be required, be bold and the rest will follow. 

Edited February 13, 2020 by englishoak

[Rookiescot]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

Wow. Are the Bay City Rollers getting back together?

Its all going wrong isn't it?

It wasn't supposed to be like this.

The EU was supposed to role over and give the Brexiteers everything they wanted. They need us more than we need them. Easiest trade deal in history. Just like Norway. 350 million a week to the NHS. Sunny uplands filled with unicorns and rainbows. No worse off than if we had remained.

Hows that for Brexiteer bingo?

Reality is a cruel mistress. Brexit means Brexit.

Still you guys knew what you were voting for right so this is all OK. 

[Rookiescot]

40 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

Oh the deficit is going to balloon for sure, markets love a spending spree but that was always on the cards especially with the votes from the north. Loans atm are cheap as they have ever been, its a good time to spend and do it on infrastructure is even better for the longterm.  So far so good  although i hate HS2 its also all about the appearance of boldness and vision, its what makes a country great and the UK needs vision for the future. 

 

I will wager Boris spending will makes peoples eyes water and mess with every traditional fiscal Tory out there, but thats what will be required, be bold and the rest will follow. 

And the bridge from Scotland to Ireland that even the best structural engineers on the planet are saying is a non starter?

Johnson has a poor record when it comes to bridge building so how much money is he going to spaff all over this?

The UK will not find cheap loans after its credit rating gets downgraded.

Again.