Kuwait is EVACUATING its citizens from Thailand due to coronavirus

[NoComment]

Thousands of Chinese living/holiday in Laos.

Thais come and go to Laos everyday to make their living.

The powers that be (from the very top down) maybe, just maybe, might consider the amazing Kingdom and it's wonderful people, rather than concentrating on the money the Chinese generate.

I am sure "it will all come out in the wash" as my Grandmother used to say.

 

[Mung]

4 hours ago, Kinnock said:

You are wrong.  CFR is around 0.2%  Early reports are always too high for generally mild diseases.

 

Man up.

WHOs early report of SARS was 4% and it turned out to be 9.6% lol. 
Not sure if you're trolling, in denial or moronic. Maybe a pick'n'mix combination.. 

The worry for governments is that this was and still is a new virus, there is no cure and there is no vaccine and we still don't understand it fully. When a new virus is on the brink of going global like this one is, it is logical to be very very cautious and serious in nature, fear is not warranted, but caution and a pro-active approach is. 

It is mainly killing old or 'weak' people, but there are cases of young healthy people dying from this as well. I guess people such as yourself will remain ignorant and delusional until it affects somebody close to you, and even then many of you will continue on being stubborn and shortsighted. Medical experts who have based an entire career and profession around the study of viruses, microbiology and biology in general, all agree that this isn't something to be taken lightly, and I am willingly to accept their opinions over a stubborn keyboard warrior such as yourself. 

Furthermore viruses constant mutate within each host, and there are some fears within the scientific community that it MAY have mutated to be more fatal and virulent within Iran. This is possible at any stage of an outbreak, and is another reason why it needs to be controlled and taken seriously. 

Edited February 29, 2020 by Mung

[Kinnock]

5 minutes ago, Mung said:

WHOs early report of SARS was 4% and it turned out to be 9.6% lol. 
Not sure if you're trolling, in denial or moronic. Maybe a pick'n'mix combination.. 

The worry for governments is that this was and still is a new virus, there is no cure and there is no vaccine and we still don't understand it fully. When a new virus is on the brink of going global like this one is, it is logical to be very very cautious and serious in nature, fear is not warranted, but caution and a pro-active approach is. 

It is mainly killing old or 'weak' people, but there are cases of young healthy people dying from this as well. I guess people such as yourself will remain ignorant and delusional until it affects somebody close to you, and even then many of you will continue on being stubborn and shortsighted. Medical experts who have based an entire career and profession around the study of viruses, microbiology and biology in general, all agree that this isn't something to be taken lightly, and I am willingly to accept their opinions over a stubborn keyboard warrior such as yourself. 

Furthermore viruses constant mutate within each host, and there are some fears within the scientific community that it MAY have mutated to be more fatal and virulent within Iran. This is possible at any stage of an outbreak, and is another reason why it needs to be controlled na taken seriously. 

Unfortunately most people have no idea to interpret the stats.

 

The popular press are getting closer to the right number, but they still have some way to go.

 

BBC News - Coronavirus: What are the chances of dying?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51674743

 

But the Google-epidemiologists still have no clue.

[emptypockets]

18 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

They know something for sure

Which is?

[Mung]

1 minute ago, Kinnock said:

Unfortunately most people have no idea to interpret the stats.

 

The popular press are getting closer to the right number, but they still have some way to go.

 

BBC News - Coronavirus: What are the chances of dying?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51674743

 

But the Google-epidemiologists still have no clue.

The issue isn't the chance of dying in terms of the current mortality rate, which is still a lot higher than seasonal flu, it's the problem of it spreading in vast numbers and thus hospital treatment that can treat secondary lung infection and other problems brought on by the virus will not be available. This is due to the overcrowding of hospitals, that was seen in China. If the virus situation isn't taken seriously, cases are not tracked, people are not isolated, citizens do not practice proper hygiene and caution, infections will become more and more, and the hospitals will be crowded. It's fairly simple to see that, so I'm not sure of your approach. 

And how might I ask do you know the 'right number' Kinnock, all of those years studying microbiology paid off did they? Might I add that I assume all influenza cases end up in hospital too, so they are all accounted for and add toward the mortality rate? 

[Jumbo1968]

I would have thought by evacuating people back to Kuwait is a far bigger risk if they do know anything not unless the evacuees are going to be fully ‘suited’ up on the flight back to Kuwait.  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The wife and I were out and around in BKK today, as we often are on weekends.

 

And today, more than even the past few weekends, seemed VERY quite outside. The BTS Sukhumvit line wasn't crowded even during mid afternoon. Siam Station, normally a zoo, had very short lines waiting trains. The areas we went to didn't seem to have a lot of foot or car traffic compared to normal.

 

Not empty of course. But a lot quieter than it's been. And even quieter that it normally would be after the close of the Chinese New Year.  At least, that's my impression as someone who's lived here for a relatively long time.

 

[sambum]

2 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

I would have thought by evacuating people back to Kuwait is a far bigger risk if they do know anything not unless the evacuees are going to be fully ‘suited’ up on the flight back to Kuwait.  

Maybe they are effectively in quarantine from the time they get on the plane, as in the case of most responsible countries.

[Jumbo1968]

So one plane will be big enough to evacuate all the Kuwaitis in Thailand, what if they don’t want to be evacuated ?

[Megasin1]

7 hours ago, soalbundy said:

An overreaction, just like the stock market. I saw a British expert on virus infections on youtube, the majority of people catching corona would have symptoms similar to a cold some would have no symptoms at all and some would have influenza symptoms, only those who are already compromised healthwise due to diabetes for instance could be in danger of sever symptoms or death. I can't understand the panic BS.

a little naive. It's not the 3% death rate that's causing the panic, it's the 10% of serious cases that develop into pneumonia and require specialist care, it's the 10% that will overwhelm any countries care facilities especially when you consider that they also require isolating. Go down your local hospital and count how many ventilators they have. Just order more you may say.....

I tried to order some sandpaper for a detail sander yesterday. Guess what, they dont have any because it's made you know where. Extrapalate that out .... unfortunately it's not BS it's actually happening.

[Kinnock]

14 minutes ago, Mung said:

The issue isn't the chance of dying in terms of the current mortality rate, which is still a lot higher than seasonal flu, it's the problem of it spreading in vast numbers and thus hospital treatment that can treat secondary lung infection and other problems brought on by the virus will not be available. This is due to the overcrowding of hospitals, that was seen in China. If the virus situation isn't taken seriously, cases are not tracked, people are not isolated, citizens do not practice proper hygiene and caution, infections will become more and more, and the hospitals will be crowded. It's fairly simple to see that, so I'm not sure of your approach. 

And how might I ask do you know the 'right number' Kinnock, all of those years studying microbiology paid off did they? Might I add that I assume all influenza cases end up in hospital too, so they are all accounted for and add toward the mortality rate? 

You don't come across as someone who will consider another person's viewpoint, but although I'm not a microbiologist, I do work with many people who are, and my own background is public health.

 

The popular press loves to stir up a scare, so I understand why some people are worried, but there's many scientific journals that are estimating the probable CFR at well under 1%.  

 

Here's a discussion on why its still difficult to know the true figure, but around 0.2% looks most likely.

https://smw.ch/article/doi/smw.2020.20203

 

 

[Pancho]

Very simple. FACT:

1) no one will volunteer their illness 

2) Thailand will NEVER be truthful.

3) China has NEVER told the truth.

4) The Thai-China agenda is now Chrystal clear.

 

Unconfirmed:

o2 is part of the cure.

There is the possibility of a sinister sister virus.

the poorest of the poor will not have access to o2 world wide.

 

use hand sanitizer, don’t touch your face, hand rails.

 

[Vacuum]

9 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

What do they know that we don't ? 

A lot.

[Jumbo1968]

3 minutes ago, DavidCY said:

Where does it say in the article about Kuwait evacuating their citizens from Thailand? I didn’t see anything about that in the article just the title, unless I missed it. I have not heard of any evacuations yet. Hope it doesn’t come to that! 

Kuwait Airways will operate a flight to Thailand’s capital, Bangkok, to evacuate Kuwaiti citizens there, the information ministry said on Twitter on Friday.

 

The ministry said the flight from Bangkok would leave on Saturday at 11:30 a.m. Bangkok time, and urged its citizens in Thailand to contact the embassy.

[Jumbo1968]

3 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

A lot.

Enlighten everyone then.

[emptypockets]

1 minute ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Kuwait Airways will operate a flight to Thailand’s capital, Bangkok, to evacuate Kuwaiti citizens there, the information ministry said on Twitter on Friday.

 

The ministry said the flight from Bangkok would leave on Saturday at 11:30 a.m. Bangkok time, and urged its citizens in Thailand to contact the embassy.

To fly them home, and I can understand that. It's the use of the word evacuate that people question. Only used in the headline to this thread. Not in the body of the article.

[emptypockets]

2 minutes ago, welshboy454 said:

A Brit locked up in a Thailand jail was transferred back to the UK to a jail there. He tested positive for Coronavirus.

I think that myth was debunked some time ago.

[welshboy454]

2 hours ago, androokery said:

I did too and I was curious to find a graph for the same period the year before (influenza season and all...) for comparison

He said Plot

[Soikhaonoiken]

8 hours ago, crazykopite said:

I for one do not understand why Thailand have so few cases that alone concerns me when the Kingdom receives over a million Chinese Tourists every year . I would be interesting to know how many Chinese are currently in Thailand there are a few in the villa next to me who came for Chinese New Year I am assuming that due to the virus they cannot get a flight home.

Last week immigration reported there were about 1,100 Chinese still in Thailand, but I think you can take those figures with a pinch of salt, as the borders are still open for Chinese visitors.... 

[Jumbo1968]

3 minutes ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

Last week immigration reported there were about 1,100 Chinese still in Thailand, but I think you can take those figures with a pinch of salt, as the borders are still open for Chinese visitors.... 

4 in Big C today I Pattaya, every one avoiding them albeit they had masks on.

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Unfortunately most people have no idea to interpret the stats.

 

The popular press are getting closer to the right number, but they still have some way to go.

 

BBC News - Coronavirus: What are the chances of dying?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51674743

 

But the Google-epidemiologists still have no clue.

And neither do you. Didn't you emphatically claim that it is 0.2 ?

[zydeco]

6 hours ago, Kinnock said:

This is current estimated flu cases in US, and the report says it is probably an under-estimate.  Covid-19 with 53 cases in US isn't even in the Northern National League Ladies Division compared to the Premier League viruses.

 

Man up, it's just a bad cold.

You do realize that the US has tested less than 500 people, don't you?

[zydeco]

2 hours ago, soalbundy said:

and that's bad?

Yes, it's bad anywhere it happens. A few weeks ago, Wilbur Ross was gloating over the virus taking down China and he speculated about it being a windfall for the US because business would return home. Not so smug today, is he?

[Tropposurfer]

I imagine that apart from the highly visible major industrial entities being seen to be bothered by this influenza virus let's take a moment to think of all the small manufacturers, and other business players that live on very fine budgetary lines and for whom this virus and disruption to their businesses is being felt acutely. Ya don't have to get infected to be deeply impacted by this virus. 

[zydeco]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And today, more than even the past few weekends, seemed VERY quite outside. The BTS Sukhumvit line wasn't crowded even during mid afternoon. Siam Station, normally a zoo, had very short lines waiting trains. The areas we went to didn't seem to have a lot of foot or car traffic compared to normal.

You went on the BTS, willingly?  If there is one place especially I'm avoiding during this crisis, it's the BTS.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, zydeco said:

You went on the BTS, willingly?  If there is one place especially I'm avoiding during this crisis, it's the BTS.

 

N95 masks, eye protection, hand gel before and after travel. Avoid touching things.

 

Plus today at least, it was entirely possible to maintain the recommended 1-2 meter social distancing standard!

 

Edited February 29, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Nakmuay887]

5 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

More than likely they don't know more at all. They do have much more money than most so can Grand Stand like this. The whole country is about 1.5 million Kuwaits, how many could possibly be in Thailand at any one time?  

Quite a few actually. They come here in large numbers. 

 

I know a family that's here because their father/grandfather is getting medical care in bkk. Like 2 dozen members of the family are here at the same time. 

Edited February 29, 2020 by Nakmuay887

[zydeco]

35 minutes ago, zydeco said:

You do realize that the US has tested less than 500 people, don't you?

As Kinnock indicated he is "confused" by my above claim that the US has only tested less than 500 people since the beginning of the coronavirus crisis, he might want to look at this:

Quote

The World Health Organization (WHO) has shipped testing kits to 57 countries. China had five commercial tests on the market 1 month ago and can now do up to 1.6 million tests a week; South Korea has tested 65,000 people so far. The U. S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), in contrast, has done only 459 tests since the epidemic began.    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-bungled-coronavirus-testing-things-may-soon-improve

 

[Yinn]

5 hours ago, timkeen08 said:

My wife went to a wedding this morning in the village.  A woman told her a Thai man from Tha Bo recently came back from Japan and did not quarantine himself.  His bank was closed waiting to be disenfected.  Luckily not our banks.  You can guess if there really are any checks or precautions taken at immigration for Thai people coming home.  She said half the people at the wedding quickly got up and left when this information spread, including my wife.  My wife was sent straight to the shower.  Way too close to home.  I still hear those stupid bass speakers going, of course way too loud.  Ignorance and disregard will be this country's downfall regardless of being 100% under control.  I have been telling her no weddings, no funerals, no Temple, and no everything for weeks.  Now I am demanding and enforcing.  Now she's afraid.  Our trip to Tha Bo planned for tomorrow is cancelled.

Anyone die?

[connda]

10 hours ago, crazykopite said:

I for one do not understand why Thailand have so few cases that alone concerns me when the Kingdom receives over a million Chinese Tourists every year . I would be interesting to know how many Chinese are currently in Thailand there are a few in the villa next to me who came for Chinese New Year I am assuming that due to the virus they cannot get a flight home.

Thais don't have the genome targeted by the virus?