1 hour ago, jcsmith said:

We have no idea how many people are infected in the U.S., it's not easy to get tested.

It's not about the test it is the same old inefficient system of getting the results. 

Since the chief UK medical adviser has publicly stated that the UK has between 5000 and 10000 cases and is merely 'behind the curve' in terms of infections one has to say Trump's decision to exclude the UK looks like a major mistake.

 

From the tone of Trumps announcement where he petulantly accused Europe of not doing enough and being to blame for US infections it seems the banning decision was made in anger, as a political decision, rather than being based on sound advice.

 

One would think that Trump is getting similar advice, that recorded cases are only one-tenth of actual cases. So he must have known what the UK figures were roughly.

 

So if he is protecting Americans from covid19 cases in Europe, why not from those in the UK? If they really have 10000 cases like the UK chief medical officer says how is the UK different?

42 minutes ago, digibum said:

 

Can you please quote where I said that I wanted a government provided health care system? 

 

I didn't. 

 

The problem is that because people are critical of one thing, it's assumed that they support the opposite. 

 

Alas that is the great tragedy of a two-party system.  You are either pro guns or anti guns.  You are either pro abortion or anti abortion.  Having any sort of nuanced opinion isn't allowed. 

 

I've seen and lived in countries with (i.e. Europe) and without (US - where I'm a citizen) a socialized medical program is available and there are pros and cons for each type of system. 

 

Unfortunately, the mega-healthcare groups and the insurance industry has gone rogue on the US and if this pandemic explodes, we're going to see additional flaws in the current system. 

 

I don't care what kind of system is eventually adopted, but either the treatment has to be free (to the consumer) or the pricing needs to be as clear as it is on a pack of gum. 

Never said that you were in favor of any kind of system, I merely posted the cause of the problem. 

 

Free to the consumer health care is not free. Those countries who rely on the us for protection spend a massive amount of their gdp on health care. I see what government run schools now offer and I don't want them running health care. 

21 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’ve just demonstrated precisely why it’s political.

 

 

I gave credit that any POTUS of any party would take the steps necessary. There is nothing more bipartisan than a deadly virus. Hope it ends soon.

4 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I gave credit that any POTUS of any party would take the steps necessary. There is nothing more bipartisan than a deadly virus. Hope it ends soon.

But only when they are Republican, and only when the stock market goes up.  When it goes down it's all the Democrats fault or totally out of his control.  Amirite?

 

Also, I guess I need to remind you that you are talking about the same clown that called the virus warnings a hoax perpetrated by Democrats only a few days ago.

Edited March 13, 20206 yr by shdmn

1 minute ago, shdmn said:

But only when they are Republican, and only when the stock market goes up.  When it goes down it's all the Democrats fault or totally out of his control.  Amirite?

 

Also, I guess I need to remind you that you are talking about the same clown that called the virus a Democratic hoax only a few days ago.

Misquoting again?  he said how the Dems are portraying it was a hoax.  That apart I said ANY POTUS you are just using it to troll for Dems.

Dare to criticise trump and you’re instantly a hater. I’ll be more than willing to praise him when he does or says something worthy of praise. Until then, nothing to say other than his hands don’t match his face.

4 hours ago, Iron Tongue said:

Do the math, continental Europe has 20x the total number of infected than the USA.

 

Spain, Germany and France all have 2-3x the infected as the US.  Italy -fugettaboutit!

 

The ban only applies to Schengen Area European countries.

 

Travellers from the Republic of Ireland, Croatia, Bulgaria and Rumania (all of which are in the EU and obviously highly "interactive" with the banned countries) will continue to arrive in the USA.

 

Perhaps the citizens of the USA are not aware of that?

 

 

Edited March 13, 20206 yr by Enoon

Blaming Europe is typical of this overgrown infant. If this travel ban were to make any sense at all then EVERYONE would be banned including US citizens returning. US citizens aren’t exempt from or immune to the virus. At the very least if citizens are allowed to return they should be immediately quarantined.

30 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Free to the consumer health care is not free. Those countries who rely on the us for protection spend a massive amount of their gdp on health care. I see what government run schools now offer and I don't want them running health care. 

 

The "free" I'm talking about is no different than the "free" health care you receive when your insurance company pays for your health procedures. 

 

I mean, free in the sense that when you walk out of a doctor's office, you're not hit with a bunch of bills 3-months later because this doctor that looked at your x-ray isn't in-network and he's now trying to bill you directly for what your insurance company refused to cover. 

 

That absolutely should NEVER happen under any health care system, period. 

 

There is literally no other business that operates like this. 

On 3/12/2020 at 8:58 AM, JimmyTheMook said:

 

Did Trump seem hoarse and wheezing to anyone else who watched?

Only to the haters apparently 

This sums up the media hype. 

 

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/

 

1 hour ago, Chiphigh said:

It's not about the test it is the same old inefficient system of getting the results. 

Thats not correct. There are very few test kits and its not easy to get approved to get tested.

 

in the coming weeks the number of people with it will explode. Then countries will ban anyone from US.

5 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

This sums up the media hype. 

 

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/

 

Media hype? Are you suggesting deaths are exagerated? Oh i get it, its the deep state again.

Edited March 13, 20206 yr by Sujo

3 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

This sums up the media hype. 

 

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/

 

 

. After selling his company he went to the MIT Media Lab and got a master’s degree in animation, focusing on how to present scientific data visually. 

 

So this man is effectively a cartoonist.

 

Thanks for sharing this.

25 minutes ago, digibum said:

 

The "free" I'm talking about is no different than the "free" health care you receive when your insurance company pays for your health procedures. 

 

I mean, free in the sense that when you walk out of a doctor's office, you're not hit with a bunch of bills 3-months later because this doctor that looked at your x-ray isn't in-network and he's now trying to bill you directly for what your insurance company refused to cover. 

 

That absolutely should NEVER happen under any health care system, period. 

 

There is literally no other business that operates like this. 

Again, as I said, you can thank the insurance lobby and the congress they bought for this. 

5 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

. After selling his company he went to the MIT Media Lab and got a master’s degree in animation, focusing on how to present scientific data visually. 

 

So this man is effectively a cartoonist.

 

Thanks for sharing this.

A very ridiculous statement full of nonsense. A sad attempt to deflect 

57 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Thats not correct. There are very few test kits and its not easy to get approved to get tested.

 

in the coming weeks the number of people with it will explode. Then countries will ban anyone from US.

The US cannot overcome the virus by printing money. It's a shock to their banking and elite dominated system.

 

There will be NO travel between any countries, for anyone, later this month. The virus has started to take hold in India and Africa.

 

Stock up with dried rosella and reishi. If you can get hold of it, cannabis oil could be a life-saver. Get on the 'dark web' for both Cannabis oil and GcMAF. Make sure your diet is varied. I know chips and beer are vegan, but we must eat better.

 

Keep away from swimming pools. And any places that have smoke or smog.

Edited March 13, 20206 yr by owl sees all

There are two major issues at stake here. One is Corona. Two is the handling of Corona. Many other countries like China, South Korea, And Germany, have done a very good job with containment, and especially with regard to testing. South Korea developed their own test kit in 21 days! In the US, this has been severely bungled from the beginning. First, the administration turned down the emergency funding request from congress, back in early February, saying it was not necessary. Then Trump repeatedly downplayed this, comparing it to the common flu. His repeated denials caused a massive crisis in confidence, that triggered a massive sell off. Had he been smart, and truthful from the beginning, the sell off would have been milder, and $6 trillion dollars would not have been erased from the markets and people's savings. In addition, the US is badly bungling the test kits.

 

I was scheduled to fly back to the US in a weeks time, and was going to return here late April. The US state department is stating that Thailand will require a letter from a US doctor or hospital, stating you have been given a Corona test, been determined to be negative for the virus, and have a generally good bill of health, if the US is elevated to the next level, which it is CERTAIN to be, within a week or two. He told me even though he works at Cedars in LA, as a pulmonologist, at one of the top hospitals in the state, they do not have one test kit. They have been requesting them for weeks, and cannot get them. In addition, he said no doctor will write that letter, since they cannot determine if you are in the incubation period, even if you test negative. So, I cancelled my trip. What is the point of risking a mandatory hospital quarantine back here, if this thing explodes in the US? In addition, the State Dept. website said that Thailand may require you to provide proof of health insurance, at a minimum of $100,000. Does not apply to marriage visas, according to immigration. I called them. 

 

So, again the administration is lying. The test kits may be going out, but nobody knows where they are going, and they do not seem to be going to the major hospitals where they are most needed, and the feds are not monitoring any of this, so there is a high likelihood that alot of profiteering is happening. Lying Pence, and Lying Trump. Causing a massive public health hazard daily. Cases increased in the US by 450 in the past 30 hours, and 41 deaths to date. Total cases now at 1,762 and climbing. 

 

Trump will lose this election. The writing is already on the wall. It is just a question of how many millions votes Biden can beat him by. I am hoping for 10 million votes, so the ridiculous electoral college gets canceled out.

Edited March 13, 20206 yr by spidermike007

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 South Korea developed their own test kit in 21 days!

Well, South Korea has 15 million less inhabitants than the UK but outproduces the UK by 130 billion USD in manufacturing. How is this possible with 15 million less inhabitants?

 

Koreans are not like other men. They are the intellectual supermen of our age. We should not try to compare ourselves to South Koreans.

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Well, South Korea has 15 million less inhabitants than the UK but outproduces the UK by 130 billion USD in manufacturing. How is this possible with 15 million less inhabitants?

 

Koreans are not like other men. They are the intellectual supermen of our age. We should not try to compare ourselves to South Koreans.

Perhaps not. But for a country that constantly lies about being number one, and having the best of this, and the best of that, it is amazing how often they bungle things, when an emergency arises. Remember Katrina? Hurricane Maria? And now Corona. The list goes on. Does not matter which administration it is or was. America seems to screw things up, alot. 

Whatever happens in the USA, I wish strength and courage to its people for this near future. Not only will their lives be on the balance but also their economic comfort.. It’ll be hard. 

2 hours ago, Fairynuff said:

Dare to criticise trump and you’re instantly a hater. I’ll be more than willing to praise him when he does or says something worthy of praise. Until then, nothing to say other than his hands don’t match his face.

Actually, the “hating” started with Trump. Prior to him, one might’ve hated stated US policies but never the individual. It was Trump with his name calling and criticisms of never-Trumpers (whatever that means) that has irreparably divided America and weakened this once powerful country. 
 

One need not look further than the above to understand why Putin loves Trump. 

35 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Perhaps not. But for a country that constantly lies about being number one, and having the best of this, and the best of that, it is amazing how often they bungle things, when an emergency arises. Remember Katrina? Hurricane Maria? And now Corona. The list goes on. Does not matter which administration it is or was. America seems to screw things up, alot. 

 

It really is. Also amazing washing machines are so much worse in the US, light switches, a lot of little things. When I was in New York, Miami, Washington and Chicago I was surprised how much is worse in the US than elsewhere, though good restaurants and good shopping.

 

Still the US is like a world unto itself, they have the best and worst of everything. The greatest geniuses and the most mediocre of mediocrities and the most lunatic of crazies. I'd still like to see Colorado and the south at some point, but not now.

 

In crisis times you don't want to be in the US. 

Edited March 13, 20206 yr by Logosone

Closing borders may slow down a bit the pandemic, but It's mainly a cosmetic decision. The virus has already started spreading inside the USA, so it's just a question of time before it reaches high diffusion levels. And it can be quick.

Think the U.S. is remotely prepared for what's to come?  Think again...

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/hospitals-coronavirus.html?

 

Quote

 

U.S. Hospitals Prepare for Coronavirus, With the Worst Still to Come

With the bow wave of coronavirus infections still to come, hospitals across the country are trying to prepare for a flood of critically ill patients who will strain their capacities like nothing they have seen in at least a generation. Even with some time to prepare, administrators fear they will not be ready.

...

The novel coronavirus could result in 10 million to 34 million hospital visits, based on statistics from other countries, according to the Harvard Global Health Institute.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 13, 20206 yr by metisdead
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3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Think the U.S. is remotely prepared for what's to come?  Think again...

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/hospitals-coronavirus.html?

 

 

 

 

Exactly.  Yet, these Trump minions are still at it with their...."But, but, but....it's just like the flu!"

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

 

 

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

6 hours ago, Berkshire said:

On a more somber note, the stock market now more accurately reflects the kind of job the POTUS has been doing these past three years. 

 It's apparent and very obvious you don't know what your talking about! 

"The coronavirus outbreak and the fear that it could become a pandemic is crushing stocks. The Dow fell 1,000 points in back-to-back days in what it the worst week for stocks since the 2008 financial crisis, leading many to wonder if this could become a full-on stock market crash".

https://www.thestreet.com/markets/history-of-stock-market-crashes-14702941