1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

The way I heard the excellent video of a genuine expert being interviewed I took it like this. Travel bans don't work when the virus has already spread significantly to most places in the world. Containment is no longer a possibility, viruses don't recognise borders. Earlier on when the Japanese quarantined the cruise ship one could see the logic.

 

Personally I would be more reassured if the Corona virus had given an announcement telling us how we were going to save ourselves from Trump!

Trump being Trump is doing his best to make sure COVID-19 takes care of him.

 

His previous anti-vaccination stance has become indefensible so he's trying a new tack by portraying himself as omnipotent and thus naturally immune.  Why would he need that silly test?

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Is this prevention against the virus or is it all a big commercial hoax ?

31 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

Is this prevention against the virus or is it all a big commercial hoax ?

Only a stable genius with access to tremendous resources is capable of a hoax of this magnitude.  Have you heard of any?

 

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31 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

Is this prevention against the virus or is it all a big commercial hoax ?

Neither? It's politics. It's xenophobia. It's finding scapegoats to divert from blame for the big mistake of failing to act for so many weeks. Community transmission is already widespread in the USA. Travel bans are USELESS. In fact, destructive if people think that they are the answer so that there is less emphasis for measures that will actually help. 

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Neither? It's politics. It's xenophobia. It's finding scapegoats to divert from blame for the big mistake of failing to act for so many weeks. Community transmission is already widespread in the USA. Travel bans are USELESS. In fact, destructive if people think that they are the answer so that there is less emphasis for measures that will actually help. 

What I particularly enjoyed was his calling the disease a "foreign virus." Unlike the flu which I guess has been in the USA for us so long that it's now gotten its naturalization papers.

Edited March 14, 20206 yr by bristolboy

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

Trump being Trump is doing his best to make sure COVID-19 takes care of him.

 

His previous anti-vaccination stance has become indefensible so he's trying a new tack by portraying himself as omnipotent and thus naturally immune.  Why would he need that silly test?

People all over the world should be listening to scientists now and ignoring any and all demagogue type politicians. Of course some politicians in some countries are letting the scientists lead and are leading purely based on that expertise, so in those cases a good politician can be the voice of science.

56 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

What I particularly enjoyed was his calling the disease a "foreign virus."

 

I know exactly what Trump means...and so do most sane people.

No problem understanding where this ghastly agent originated.

In a foreign city under suspicious circumstances.

China's day to account for this mess will come when the time is right.

 

Edited March 14, 20206 yr by JHolmesJr

Trump has proven, once again, he is way ahead of the crowd.  He suspends travel from Europe and two days later the WHO announces the epicenter has moved from China to Europe.

 

Trump is playing 4-D chess while his haters play checkers.  Thank God for Trump as this is now life and death.

 

Thank you President Trump!

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22 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Trump has proven, once again, he is way ahead of the crowd.  He suspends travel from Europe and two days later the WHO announces the epicenter has moved from China to Europe.

And a day later realizes that Great Britain is part of Europe, with larger infection rates,  so now they have been suspended also. Never mind Trump's Golf resorts

 

Thank you American Press for pointing this out

45 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Trump has proven, once again, he is way ahead of the crowd.  He suspends travel from Europe and two days later the WHO announces the epicenter has moved from China to Europe.

 

Trump is playing 4-D chess while his haters play checkers.  Thank God for Trump as this is now life and death.

 

Thank you President Trump!

So its not a hoax.

51 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Trump has proven, once again, he is way ahead of the crowd.  He suspends travel from Europe and two days later the WHO announces the epicenter has moved from China to Europe.

 

Trump is playing 4-D chess while his haters play checkers.  Thank God for Trump as this is now life and death.

 

Thank you President Trump!

So he was ahead of the crowd on acknowledging how serious this is, on REFUTING the dangerous falsehood that this is just another flu, on ramping up mass testing during the SEVERAL WEEKS of lead time that the world got from China? I'll answer. No, no, no. His response has been disastrous and now the USA will be reaping the deadly fruits of his truly horrible lack of leadership. Focusing on travel bans is pure politics and xenophobia especially when there is already massive community transmission happening as it is in the U.S. 

 

I wouldn't say 3D chess.

His response doesn't even make the checkers cut.

7 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

I know exactly what Trump means...and so do most sane people.

No problem understanding where this ghastly agent originated.

In a foreign city under suspicious circumstances.

China's day to account for this mess will come when the time is right.

 

So not appreciating racist / xenophobic demagoguery is insane? Nice try. That's ridiculous. 

people should be stopped travelling from usa

 

other country's have been testing there people now for some time 

nil or little tested in usa /work the figures out yourself

oz minister returns after meeting with trumps daughter and others there returns tested positive

tom hanks and wife positive after coming from usa 

4people yesterday /positive on return to oz /if you work out the odds millions in usa have it

Some troll posts and replies have been removed. 

On 3/14/2020 at 1:58 PM, sanemax said:

Trump only closed down its Whitehouse offices 

The USA CDC did not get dismantled, its still active 

https://www.cdc.gov/

Total nonsense, lies and fabrications. Bolton presided over the closing of the pandemic division of the NSA. The entire budget of $30 million was withdrawn, in June of 2018, despite the adamant protest of many experts in the field of epidemiology, who stated at the time, that the next great pandemic was right around the corner. It was a tragic mistake, and a horrendous miscalculation, based on hubris, arrogance, ignorance and indifference to the health and safety of the masses. 

 

So, contrary to what Trump is saying, he knew this was coming, he was warned this was coming, and it is entirely his responsibility. And partly as a result, he will lose the upcoming election, and he will lose big. 

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5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So not appreciating racist / xenophobic demagoguery is insane? Nice try. That's ridiculous. 

There is nothing xenophobic about this, except for your own irrational biased conclusions. 

46 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Total nonsense, lies and fabrications.

No, you are wrong 

The CDC is still open and it has not been closed own 

Reports of panic buying guns and ammo in the States. 

 

Asians in the US farangs in Thailand - racism same same. 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-gun-sales-asian-california-washington-1491891

 

Gun stores are reporting a sharp rise in the number of Asian people purchasing firearms to protect themselves from racist attacks amid the coronavirus outbreak.

David Liu, the owner of Arcadia Firearm & Safety in San Gabriel Valley, has claimed that he has seen around 10 times more customers walk through his door in recent weeks.

"It was crazy," Liu told Newsweek. "One example is on March 3 and 4, I had 50 plus people come in here to take their firearms safety test and everyone one of them bought a gun. That's quite unusual for my small shop.

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why is the govt in oz saying most cases arriving are from usa not other country's

no shock as trump always turns blame to someone else  

16 minutes ago, sanemax said:

No, you are wrong 

The CDC is still open and it has not been closed own 

 

correct Obama believed in a bloated bureaucracy Trump merely

applied common sense to right size the relevant departments.

To say that some white coats in cdc could have predicted and prevented

this pandemic is hyperbole at best.

 

2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

correct Obama believed in a bloated bureaucracy Trump merely

applied common sense to right size the relevant departments.

To say that some white coats in cdc could have predicted and prevented

this pandemic is hyperbole at best.

 

Because you're an expert on pandemic planning. Good to know. 

On 3/14/2020 at 2:28 PM, JHolmesJr said:

 

awww please be man enough to point out to our readers why

the Dow went up....because the markets have confidence in the measures 

he's taking to combat the virus.

I assume you made no comments when trump's Oval Office address regards Covid-19 led to a sharp drop in the Dow. trump is potentially setting himself for failure for claiming all the credit each time Dow increases, but blames others when it drops - pathetic.

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

I assume you made no comments when trump's Oval Office address regards Covid-19 led to a sharp drop in the Dow.

 

I put it to you that was not his address.....but the frenzied dissection and panic mongering 

that followed after the liberal media pundits went to work.

20 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

Reportes of panic buying guns and ammo in the States. 

Someone will come up soon stating that they are lefties panicking...????

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ammunition-sales-soar-response-coronavirus-133400231.html

40 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

Reports of panic buying guns and ammo in the States. 

 

Asians in the US farangs in Thailand - racism same same. 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-gun-sales-asian-california-washington-1491891

 

Gun stores are reporting a sharp rise in the number of Asian people purchasing firearms to protect themselves from racist attacks amid the coronavirus outbreak.

David Liu, the owner of Arcadia Firearm & Safety in San Gabriel Valley, has claimed that he has seen around 10 times more customers walk through his door in recent weeks.

"It was crazy," Liu told Newsweek. "One example is on March 3 and 4, I had 50 plus people come in here to take their firearms safety test and everyone one of them bought a gun. That's quite unusual for my small shop.

Thats why I cant understand why the left would sell out people of colour and gender non conforming folks by trying to limit their ability to obtain arms to defend themselves against the bloodthirsty right wing opressors.  

 

19 minutes ago, candide said:

Someone will come up soon stating that they are lefties panicking...????

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ammunition-sales-soar-response-coronavirus-133400231.html

Ammuntion sales are subject to different market forces that just mere personal panic buying.

37 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

I put it to you that was not his address.....but the frenzied dissection and panic mongering 

that followed after the liberal media pundits went to work.

I put it to you sounds like a courtroom. Objection !

18 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

The way I heard the excellent video of a genuine expert being interviewed I took it like this. Travel bans don't work when the virus has already spread significantly to most places in the world. Containment is no longer a possibility, viruses don't recognise borders. Earlier on when the Japanese quarantined the cruise ship one could see the logic.

 

Personally I would be more reassured if the Corona virus had given an announcement telling us how we were going to save ourselves from Trump!

What does that mean? "A virus does not recognize borders"? Can we think this statement through? Is this to say the virus is blowing in the wind hundreds of miles? That it does not need a human carrier? If it does require a human carrier, then to cross a border it needs a human carrier. Yes? No? That would mean the carrier arrives via plane, train, or automobile, unless inhibited from doing so. Perhaps, what I am saying is pure nonsense. If so feel free to explain to me where my logic is faulted.

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1 hour ago, sanemax said:

No, you are wrong 

The CDC is still open and it has not been closed own 

He has presented the facts relating to Trump firing the Pandemic Response Team,  your comments regarding the CDC are irrelevant to closure of the PRT.

 

A nice try at a switch but it doesn’t wash.

Edited March 15, 20206 yr by Chomper Higgot

20 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

What does that mean? "A virus does not recognize borders"? Can we think this statement through? Is this to say the virus is blowing in the wind hundreds of miles? That it does not need a human carrier? If it does require a human carrier, then to cross a border it needs a human carrier. Yes? No? That would mean the carrier arrives via plane, train, or automobile, unless inhibited from doing so. Perhaps, what I am saying is pure nonsense. If so feel free to explain to me where my logic is faulted.

The virus does not need a human carrier, it can survive for days on surfaces and objects.

 

 

22 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

What does that mean? "A virus does not recognize borders"? Can we think this statement through? Is this to say the virus is blowing in the wind hundreds of miles? That it does not need a human carrier? If it does require a human carrier, then to cross a border it needs a human carrier. Yes? No? That would mean the carrier arrives via plane, train, or automobile, unless inhibited from doing so. Perhaps, what I am saying is pure nonsense. If so feel free to explain to me where my logic is faulted.

I do follow your logic, it is not nonsense, it is fine of course, up to a certain point. What I said was this:- "Travel bans don't work when the virus has already spread significantly to most places in the world." Putting it simply, if you are just as likely, or indeed more likely, to catch Covid from the family next door, then restricting international travel isn't really going to help. At least you can run rudimentary checks in an airport. The guy next door is not going to take kindly to you demanding that he get tested.