38 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

Malevolence.

Towards Obama-the one that formed it, yup 

17 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

Why you need 2,000 labs if you only test a handful of people everyday?

It's a BIG country. Don't believe me... then look at a map!

1 hour ago, pegman said:

To put this in  perspective Canada and the USA has the longest border in the world. Trade agreements have made their  economies intertwined. The USA has 10x the population but Canada has conducted a few thousand more virus tests. Today the USA is at >60 deaths and Canada has 1. Leadership matters.

Well yeah that and virtually no one cares about going to Canada and as you stated they have a much smaller population.

 

Facts matter.

10 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Who can blame Trump for that? WHO is a useless organization. I could see desperate, third world countries relying them since they have no other options, that's about it.

Those  tests kits, which you dismiss, were created by specialists who had already developed the initial reliable SARS tests and the expertise was drawn from multiple countries' specialists including Americans. There is a difference between the technical expertise and the political aspect of WHO.

2 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Those  tests kits, which you dismiss, were created by specialists who had already developed the initial reliable SARS tests and the expertise was drawn from multiple countries' specialists including Americans. There is a difference between the technical expertise and the political aspect of WHO.

Excellent point. And here's another. You know how Trump supporters consistently downplay the importance of testing? Here's an article from the Wall Street Journal. Ya know, Rupert Murdoch's rag. Rupert Murdoch, the guy who owns Fox News. It's about how South Korea is successfully squelching COVID. One of the key ingredients to their success? Widespread early testing:

How South Korea Put Into Place the World’s Most Aggressive Coronavirus Test Program

The country has tested roughly one out of every 200 citizens under a screening policy credited with checking the outbreak

The test-heavy approach comes with fewer restrictions in South Korea, a country with a single-payer health-care system and a sweeping infectious-disease law that helped speed up its coronavirus response. Tests are administered at no charge when doctors recommend an individual gets examined, or if investigators unearth a potential link to a confirmed case.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-south-korea-put-into-place-the-worlds-most-aggressive-coronavirus-testing-11584377217?mod=hp_lead_pos10

22 hours ago, xylophone said:

In fact, under the Obama administration, diagnostic tests for the 2009 swine flu outbreak were approved and shipped less than two weeks after the H1N1 virus was identified and a day before the first US death.

Is there any difference between the two tests that would account for the delay in implementation?

(could that be a trick question he he he)

17 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Is there any difference between the two tests that would account for the delay in implementation?

(could that be a trick question he he he)

Why would it, and why should it.

 

Hasnt bothered other countries who have mass tested.

18 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Excellent point. And here's another. You know how Trump supporters consistently downplay the importance of testing? Here's an article from the Wall Street Journal. Ya know, Rupert Murdoch's rag. Rupert Murdoch, the guy who owns Fox News. It's about how South Korea is successfully squelching COVID. One of the key ingredients to their success? Widespread early testing:

How South Korea Put Into Place the World’s Most Aggressive Coronavirus Test Program

The country has tested roughly one out of every 200 citizens under a screening policy credited with checking the outbreak

The test-heavy approach comes with fewer restrictions in South Korea, a country with a single-payer health-care system and a sweeping infectious-disease law that helped speed up its coronavirus response. Tests are administered at no charge when doctors recommend an individual gets examined, or if investigators unearth a potential link to a confirmed case.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-south-korea-put-into-place-the-worlds-most-aggressive-coronavirus-testing-11584377217?mod=hp_lead_pos10

And exactly what does Trump have to do with the 2003 SARS outbreak and South Korea's response to it?

AP fact-checkers find Biden, Bloomberg paint 'distorted picture' on Trump CDC funding

And, no, I have not heard of "Trump supporters consistently downplaying" the importance of testing. Do you have a survey? Or just orange coloured glasses?

23 hours ago, xylophone said:

In fact, under the Obama administration, diagnostic tests for the 2009 swine flu outbreak were approved and shipped less than two weeks after the H1N1 virus was identified and a day before the first US death.

Shipping the first tests just one day before people start dying is not something to brag about.

 

CDC December 2009

Why can’t I get a more accurate laboratory test to find out if I had flu or what kind of flu I had?

The most accurate laboratory tests, such as real-time reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR) are only available in certain laboratories, and these tests can take several days to obtain results. This season, CDC is focusing use of these tests on people who are hospitalized or for other reasons explained in the question “Who is being tested for flu this season?”

 

Authority to develop testing came in April. 

Anyway, flu is vastly easier to work with than a corona virus, just reserach SARS.

Edited March 17, 20206 yr by rabas

8 minutes ago, rabas said:

Shipping the first tests just one day before people start dying is not something to brag about.

 

CDC December 2009

Why can’t I get a more accurate laboratory test to find out if I had flu or what kind of flu I had?

The most accurate laboratory tests, such as real-time reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR) are only available in certain laboratories, and these tests can take several days to obtain results. This season, CDC is focusing use of these tests on people who are hospitalized or for other reasons explained in the question “Who is being tested for flu this season?”

 

Authority to develop testing came in April. 

Anyway, flu is vastly easier to work with than a corona virus, just reserach SARS.

Nonsense. The US was offered test kits and Trump refused. Instead he chose to have the USA develop its own. South Korea launched a massive testing program with excellent results. You don't need to have the very best and latest tests for testing to make a massive positive impact on public health.

6 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Facts matter.

Yet you disregard them in your posts.....

 

"Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised

Public health and national security experts shake their heads when President Donald Trump says the coronavirus “came out of nowhere” and “blindsided the world.”

 

They’ve been warning about the next pandemic for years and criticized the Trump administration’s decision in 2018 to dismantle a National Security Council directorate at the White House charged with preparing for when, not if, another pandemic would hit the nation.

Trump’s elimination of the office

 

And the Swine flu response resulted in test kits and public information out to the public BEFORE the first death.........a great response under Obama and Biden.

 

So trump disbands the unit????? Idiot.

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Nonsense. The US was offered test kits and Trump refused. Instead he chose to have the USA develop its own. South Korea launched a massive testing program with excellent results. You don't need to have the very best and latest tests for testing to make a massive positive impact on public health.

I didn't mention Trump, I was talking facts, but anyway

Biden Falsely Blames Trump Administration For Rejecting WHO Coronavirus Test Kits (That Were Never Offered)

8 minutes ago, rabas said:

I didn't mention Trump, I was talking facts, but anyway

Biden Falsely Blames Trump Administration For Rejecting WHO Coronavirus Test Kits (That Were Never Offered)

My mistake. Thank you for the correction.

Incompetent leadership at all levels of government + the private, for profit healthcare system in the US means many American are completely screwed.

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10 hours ago, Redline said:

https://apnews.com/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a

this

 

Yep, that too....

 

Lying as usual....

 

Quote

Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised

 

When Trump was asked on Friday whether closing the NSC global health unit slowed the U.S. response, the president called it a “nasty” question because his administration had acted quickly and saved lives.

“I don’t know anything about it,” Trump said.

Earlier, when asked about it, he said: “This is something that you can never really think is going to happen.”

 

 

Edited March 17, 20206 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Yep, that too....

 

Lying as usual....

 

 

They knew that here were other viruses coming out of China even before this one.  They were not as bad, but still worse than the average flu.  They knew, almost as a fact, that this type of virus was going to happen in a this decade 

Edited March 17, 20206 yr by Redline

5 minutes ago, Redline said:

They knew that here were other viruses coming out of China even before this one.  They were not as bad, but still worse than the average flu.  They knew, almost as a fact, that this type of virus was going to happen in a this decade 

Yes but they were busy building walls and making America great again . If we had build a bigger wall this stupid virus would not had being able to climb over it.  Stupid democrats!!

I would think(being non american) this would be the perfect time to come together

as one nation and beat this virus without blaming the;"other side"

Why use this threat to the USA as a tool to win votes?

Get your xsses together(or not, be better)and do all you can to beat the Covid virus!!!

 

3 hours ago, sirineou said:

Yes but they were busy building walls and making America great again . If we had build a bigger wall this stupid virus would not had being able to climb over it.  Stupid democrats!!

I’m sure if we look into it closely, the Democrats handed it to the Mexicans, that took it to China, who sacrificed some of their people to send it to the west ????.  Watch, this little story will be on the right wing blogs tomorrow ????. A conspiracy president-amazing times

Edited March 17, 20206 yr by Redline

4 hours ago, jvs said:

I would think(being non american) this would be the perfect time to come together

as one nation and beat this virus without blaming the;"other side"

Why use this threat to the USA as a tool to win votes?

Get your xsses together(or not, be better)and do all you can to beat the Covid virus!!!

 

When you have a President who consistently gets things wrong about such a crisis as this, it would be a dereliction of duty not to comment on it.

4 hours ago, jvs said:

I would think(being non american) this would be the perfect time to come together

as one nation and beat this virus without blaming the;"other side"

Why use this threat to the USA as a tool to win votes?

Get your xsses together(or not, be better)and do all you can to beat the Covid virus!!!

 

And of course, if the Administration comes up with misguided proposals, is that to be greeted with acquiesence? For instance, they want to cut the payroll tax. How dumb an idea is that? You want to target the people who lose their jobs because of this situation, not the ones who kept them. 

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

 You want to target the people who lose their jobs because of this situation, not the ones who kept them. 

 

YOU and I may want to help the people who are going to lose their jobs. But they're not the ones "the Administration" is interested in protecting in the least.

 

On 3/17/2020 at 3:55 PM, jvs said:

I would think(being non american) this would be the perfect time to come together

as one nation and beat this virus without blaming the;"other side"

Maybe you should share that sentiment with Donald Trump. And while you're at it, ask him to stop lying.

From March 20, 2020 Press Briefing

Donald Trump:

“But what we are having is we’re having — these private labs have come and they’ve been really fantastic.  And we also have a great system for the future.  Because, as I said, we inherited — “we,” meaning this administration — an obsolete, broken system that wasn’t meant for anything like this.”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-c-oronavirus-task-force-press-briefing/

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On 3/16/2020 at 11:34 AM, Redline said:

https://apnews.com/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a

 

Yes, of course, less government is always better.

 

Americans will have access to more than 2,000 labs for coronavirus testing, Pence says

He wouldn't say it if it wern't true, right?  Why would he lie?

He didn't say when, though.

 

This stuff is too macabre to be managed by the same ol' car full of clowns.