32 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

And where do you think your politics are?

Mine? I try not to label myself...minarchist maybe as a philosophy, but I have recently been re reading Bakunin, though more as a historical background in my studies on early Bolshevism. My last voter registration was independent. I voted for Bill too, despite the fact he was a lying sexist rapist exploiter who enriched himself off the public teat with his harridan of a crooked wife. Didnt vote for her though LOL

 

Theres a virus out there and I can only watch so much netflix.

8 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Mine? I try not to label myself...minarchist maybe as a philosophy, but I have recently been re reading Bakunin, though more as a historical background in my studies on early Bolshevism. My last voter registration was independent. I voted for Bill too, despite the fact he was a lying sexist rapist exploiter who enriched himself off the public teat with his harridan of a crooked wife. Didnt vote for her though LOL

 

Theres a virus out there and I can only watch so much netflix.

Less loquaciously; you're a Trump supporter.

Perhaps now Trump will do a real medical test. He seem rather under the weather and sniffing more than usual. 

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Less loquaciously; you're a Trump supporter.

as my good friend Yinn would say: pfftt.

 

Have a great day! Im heading to the pool shortly myself, nothing beats a lazy day at home. I wont be reading your posts anymore.

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

South Korea has engaged in a massive program of early testing. The result: COVID infections are already leveling off.

How is it that testing has much effect on infection rate? That it provides some evidence of less detectable infection is great but it is the actions the SK authorities took that have probably been positive. They  may have done  many tests but those were targeted rather than generalized. Without applying the  more  draconian clamp downs  China did I think they recognized quickly that transpareny and publicity worked well on a population perhaps  more ready to acknowledge compliant reality especially  when nearby China provided examples of potential outcome if not  to do so.

The US has undeniably fumbled the ball in this game. The  rapid distribution across Italy should  have been an early enough wake up call . Sadly for Italy it and China signed an MOU early in January expanding tourism and flights between the two countries which probably  accounts for the problem now despite progressive measures to contain and the culmination in total lockdown. With a  death toll already around 60% of those reported from China and a significant elderly population Italy is in no happy situation.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

How is it that testing has much effect on infection rate? That it provides some evidence of less detectable infection is great but it is the actions the SK authorities took that have probably been positive. They  may have done  many tests but those were targeted rather than generalized. Without applying the  more  draconian clamp downs  China did I think they recognized quickly that transpareny and publicity worked well on a population perhaps  more ready to acknowledge compliant reality especially  when nearby China provided examples of potential outcome if not  to do so.

The US has undeniably fumbled the ball in this game. The  rapid distribution across Italy should  have been an early enough wake up call . Sadly for Italy it and China signed an MOU early in January expanding tourism and flights between the two countries which probably  accounts for the problem now despite progressive measures to contain and the culmination in total lockdown. With a  death toll already around 60% of those reported from China and a significant elderly population Italy is in no happy situation.

 

 

For one thing, random testing helps to find hot spots so authorities can do more intensive testing and treatment in those areas.

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Mine? I try not to label myself...minarchist maybe as a philosophy, but I have recently been re reading Bakunin, though more as a historical background in my studies on early Bolshevism. My last voter registration was independent. I voted for Bill too, despite the fact he was a lying sexist rapist exploiter who enriched himself off the public teat with his harridan of a crooked wife. Didnt vote for her though LOL

 

Theres a virus out there and I can only watch so much netflix.

You certainly have a history of voting for crooked lowlifes then. Perhaps its best for the country if you abstain in future.

Just now, bristolboy said:

For one thing, random testing helps to find hot spots so authorities can do more intensive testing and treatment in those areas.

 

Random testing is just dumb.

Whats the point of wasting something that is in short supply?

1 minute ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Random testing is just dumb.

Whats the point of wasting something that is in short supply?

Take it up with them:

Coronavirus experts call for random blood testing to slow the spread

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/coronavirus-experts-call-for-random-blood-testing/12060666

Anyway, why should anyone worry about this. After all...

RUSH LIMBAUGH (HOST): But I’m telling you, folks, I have — there’s so many red flags about things happening out there. This coronavirus, they’re just — all of this panic is just not warranted. This, I’m telling you, when I tell you — when I’ve told you that this virus is the common cold. 

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/rush-limbaugh-coronavirus-common-cold-and-all-panic-just-not-warranted

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Correct. Best handling of a pandemic EVER. That's what people are telling me.

 

potus said it was "under tremendous control".

 

 

“In a tabletop exercise days before an untested new president took power, officials briefed the incoming administration on a scenario remarkably like the one he faces now.  Two-thirds of Trump officials who were briefed on the matter are no longer in the administration, which is likely one reason why the president has managed this current crisis so badly.“

 

Edited March 17, 20206 yr by Opl

2 minutes ago, Opl said:

“In a tabletop exercise days before an untested new president took power, officials briefed the incoming administration on a scenario remarkably like the one he faces now.”

But they didnt use sharpies then.

5 hours ago, zydeco said:

It's called a Depression and it takes years, sometimes a decade, to work your way out of it. One thing is for certain, the Fed throwing more money, going to NIRP, and directing money to banksters and billionaires isn't going to make things better. In fact, doing that is what made the current crisis into more than that, a catastrophe.

The last depression to hit the USA was 1929. I think it may be a bit early to call this economic downturn a depression, in my humble opinion.

4 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

The last depression to hit the USA was 1929. I think it may be a bit early to call this economic downturn a depression, in my humble opinion.

We'll see. If they Republicans do what they did during the last crisis, and push for budgetary austerity, it could happen.

I bet the USA is going to come out the other side of this very strong! Yep! Despite all the non-Americans claiming otherwise! Oh yeah, build up your Navy's! The brave new world approaches! 

 

Thailand likewise, will do fine. Although will be economically hurt by the downturn as will be everyone.

 

Ok those are my calls! 

9 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

We'll see. If they Republicans do what they did during the last crisis, and push for budgetary austerity, it could happen.

A good idea!

4 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

I bet the USA is going to come out the other side of this very strong! Yep! Despite all the non-Americans claiming otherwise! Oh yeah, build up your Navy's! The brave new world approaches! 

 

Thailand likewise, will do fine. Although will be economically hurt by the downturn as will be everyone.

 

Ok those are my calls! 

I’ll give you my call.

 

The virus, the economic crisis and the inability of this President to lead will have very profound political consequences. 

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

as my good friend Yinn would say: pfftt.

 

Have a great day! Im heading to the pool shortly myself, nothing beats a lazy day at home. I wont be reading your posts anymore.

I'm devastated!

20 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

I bet the USA is going to come out the other side of this very strong!

I agree if one of the outcomes is Trump out of office. Not only the US but the whole world will benefit. 

I guess the old saying that every cloud has a silver lining really is true!

24 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

I bet the USA is going to come out the other side of this very strong! Yep! Despite all the non-Americans claiming otherwise! Oh yeah, build up your Navy's! The brave new world approaches! 

 

Thailand likewise, will do fine. Although will be economically hurt by the downturn as will be everyone.

 

Ok those are my calls! 

I guess it depends on what you mean by the USA. If you mean the upper 10 percent, you're mostly right. But the bottom 50 percent or maybe even  higher, not so much. As a Manhattan Institute report noted in a family of 4 with a single average earning male breadwinner, that breadwinner has to work 53 weeks per year just to pay for the basics. Is your prognostication for their future based on the saying "Whatever doesn't kill me makes me stronger."?

One good thing that will come out of this disaster is that support for universal health care will skyrocket.

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

as my good friend Yinn would say: pfftt.

 

Have a great day! Im heading to the pool shortly myself, nothing beats a lazy day at home. I wont be reading your posts anymore.

Looks like you'll be adding an awful lot more people to your 'do not read list' as none of your sycophantic fawning over Trump is going to belie the fact that Trump has handled this badly. VERY badly.

From brushing it off as 'just the flu' to constantly undermining his own experts, to exposing others when he himself could have had the virus (refusing to be tested, shaking LOTS of hands and eventually being tested) to taking no responsibility for closing down the pandemic office or for the lack of testing shortage. Even even lied about a new Google app. and basically called fears of the virus 'a hoax'.

All of this has led experts to openly criticise him with Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, calling it “deeply disturbing,” adding that it’s “left the country far less prepared than it needs to be for what is a very substantial challenge ahead.”

If he had got fully behind his own administration when they announced a public health emergency way back in Janaury, many of the forthcoming deaths could have been prevented. The guy's a clown and should resign for his serious mishandling of the ensuing crisis.

 

P.S. Feel free to add me to the 'do not read' list. 

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If everybody does actually stop doing most things, recession is guaranteed because of everybody stopping doing most things. If no small businesses are making any money, they will go broke. That's pretty obvious but what are governments around the world going to do when it's all over and millions are broke and unemployed?

I doubt that millions are going to say "I'm unemployed and broke, but I'll go on that overseas holiday I missed out on before". I'd say tourism is pretty screwed for a good while, and that industry employs many millions of people.

So true.  Many small businesses can't carry large amounts of debt for long lengths of time like big businesses apparently can.   Many will simply go out of business, never to reopen, and some fairly quickly with no revenue coming in.  Tourism will likely be hardest hit and one of the slowest to recover as travel will be a low priority for many focused on hanging on to a job. 

1 hour ago, Dumbastheycome said:

How is it that testing has much effect on infection rate? That it provides some evidence of less detectable infection is great but it is the actions the SK authorities took that have probably been positive. They  may have done  many tests but those were targeted rather than generalized. Without applying the  more  draconian clamp downs  China did I think they recognized quickly that transpareny and publicity worked well on a population perhaps  more ready to acknowledge compliant reality especially  when nearby China provided examples of potential outcome if not  to do so.

The US has undeniably fumbled the ball in this game. The  rapid distribution across Italy should  have been an early enough wake up call . Sadly for Italy it and China signed an MOU early in January expanding tourism and flights between the two countries which probably  accounts for the problem now despite progressive measures to contain and the culmination in total lockdown. With a  death toll already around 60% of those reported from China and a significant elderly population Italy is in no happy situation.

 

 

I don't think a travel agreement signed so recently could have led to an immediate onslaught of Chinese tourists. People don't plan their travel on such short notice. Particularly when the destination is an uncomfortable distance away.

12 minutes ago, newnative said:

So true.  Many small businesses can't carry large amounts of debt for long lengths of time like big businesses apparently can.   Many will simply go out of business, never to reopen, and some fairly quickly with no revenue coming in.  Tourism will likely be hardest hit and one of the slowest to recover as travel will be a low priority for many focused on hanging on to a job. 

Have you had a recent look at US national debt? Currently sitting at around $23.5 trillion, Likely by elections will reach $25 trillion+ due to the funds requested to counter Covid-19 financial impact. National debt already exceeds the US annual GDP, possible trump will get hammered 11/20.

 

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Where do people see pent up demand driving the market back up after this is over? Pent up demand for what? Toilet paper? Many, many people will have lost income and probably a great many will lose jobs. People in the US will also be maxing out those 20 percent interest credit cards just to pay the mortgage and buy food and medicine. Sort of hard to see them in four or five months saying, "Whew! Glad it's all over. I need an iPhone and a big screen TV, some Belgian chocolate, and big new SUV, and new furniture for the house. Then, we'll take another month off to go on a cruise! Yea!" And then it will be getting close to the beginning of next flu season, when this all may return in either milder or, like in 1919, more lethal form.

 

If there is one thing I hope the American consumer learns from this is not to consume so much!  Learn to save, if you can. Of course, that will make the banks and Wall Street scream. But they can go suck an egg.

Edited March 17, 20206 yr by zydeco

8 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I don't think a travel agreement signed so recently could have led to an immediate onslaught of Chinese tourists. People don't plan their travel on such short notice. Particularly when the destination is an uncomfortable distance away.

There was reportedly a massive increase in bookings by Chinese immediately after by comparison  to the  same period in  2019.

It also coincided within the  40 days of the year when annual holidays are taken in China. Part of the problem in containing the spread  even within China.

4 hours ago, gargamon said:

Come on, everything must be ok, Trump gave himself a rating of 10/10 for his handling of the crisis.

A simple error.  He accidentally dropped a zero from the denominator.

6 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

What do you want him to do? Not Monday morning quarterbacking about yesterday with a longstanding bias and hostility to our Presdient, but practicaly, what exactly do you want him to do, right now.

After closing the empty barn door... I would like him to personally visit all the sick and suffering, to raise their spirits.

3 minutes ago, jany123 said:

After closing the empty barn door... I would like him to personally visit all the sick and suffering, to raise their spirits.

9 hours ago, webfact said:

On Monday, when asked, he gave himself a good grade for his response

Are they still bothering with counting the liars lies and mistruths?