Please read these medical opinions

[Logosone]

That's if  you can get alcohol soon with all the pointless closures of bars and cafes.

 

Not to mention curfews.

 

Can probably take away. 

 

It's so pointless.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Logosone

[Logosone]

And now for something completely different:

 

The UK Government’s own top health experts have officially downgraded the status of the corona virus.

 

Their shock conclusions were published on the Public Health England website a week ago - to a deafening silence from the mainstream media busy ramping up the apocryphal rhetoric.

 

The unexpected turnaround by his health boffins failed to deter Boris Johnson from pressing ahead with plans for a nationwide lockdown, due to be nodded through by the Commons today.

 

The official government announcement on the downgrade is buried among a mass of routine virus-related information on the health authority website. It states:

 

"COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

"The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. 

"Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

"The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID."

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

[Chazar]

The  last  people I want advice from is the Thai govt that same  govt who cancelled  the need for a visa for Chinese, gave it them free  begged  them to come. Morons

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

"Gutter press" like the The Times?

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/professor-half-the-country-may-have-caught-it-already-9m39rpzhc

All of them. This incomplete draft, if genuine, has either been stolen or leaked. In any event it has not been properly reviewed or formally published. So the gutter press have taken it upon themselves to quote or publish it anyway. Quite irresponsible.

[Brunolem]

12 minutes ago, Logosone said:

And now for something completely different:

 

The UK Government’s own top health experts have officially downgraded the status of the corona virus.

 

The official government announcement on the downgrade is buried among a mass of routine virus-related information on the health authority website. It states:

 

"COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

"The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. 

"Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

"The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID."

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

When this pandemic will be over, they will discover that they have destroyed the world economy for a virus no more lethal than the flu...

 

A typical example of "act first, think later" which has become the motto of our civilization.

 

[stouricks]

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

Not only did the Robert Koch Institute warn in 2012 of a coronavirus pandemic, witness Bill Gates in 2015 warning of a pandemic. Gives you chills down your spine...

 

 

But I've got Windows Defender included in W10. Does that not stop all virii?

[Logosone]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

All of them. This incomplete draft, if genuine, has either been stolen or leaked. In any event it has not been properly reviewed or formally published. So the gutter press have taken it upon themselves to quote or publish it anyway. Quite irresponsible.

So the Financial Times, the Guardian, the Spectator, the Times, all gutter press, rather an extravagant indictment of your excellent press. 

 

Of course the paper is genuine the authors have been interviewed and widely quoted. 

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, stouricks said:

But I've got Windows Defender included in W10. Does that not stop all virii?

It's virus. In Latin virus has no plural, it's just virus.

 

In English it's viruses.

 

Virii is the plural of another Latin word.

[saengd]

5 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

When this pandemic will be over, they will discover that they have destroyed the world economy for a virus no more lethal than the flu...

 

A typical example of "act first, think later" which has become the motto of our civilization.

 

Do you really think that just because the corona virus is no longer classified in the same category as ebola or lassa fever that it is not a massive danger to life, as such  do you really think the current actions are not warranted......really, you really believe that!

Edited March 26, 2020 by saengd

[geisha]

logosone , It also states that all confirmed cases of the virus should be sent to the treatment centers and hospitals. So what do you, or they, suggest one does when these centers and hospitals are full to overflowing with very sick patients ? 

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, Logosone said:

So the Financial Times, the Guardian, the Spectator, the Times, all gutter press, rather an extravagant indictment of your excellent press. 

 

Of course the paper is genuine the authors have been interviewed and widely quoted. 

From your Guardian link: 

 

Paul Klenerman, one of the Oxford researchers, called the 68% figure the most extreme result and explained that “there is another extreme which is that only a tiny proportion have been exposed”. The true figure, which is unknown, was likely somewhere in between, he said.

 

In other words, the number of people infected in Britain is either very large, very small, or middling. This may sound unhelpful, but that is precisely the point. “We need much more data about who has been exposed to inform policy,” Klenerman said.

 

In other words they don't know! And this is about exposure, not actual contraction of the virus. So, your initial suggestion that a new model by the University of Oxford estimates that half the population of the UK could be infected already and thus the UK is well on the way to herd immunity which is almost achieved there is actually just speculation, guesswork and therefore likely to be false. 

Edited March 26, 2020 by nauseus

[Logosone]

8 minutes ago, geisha said:

logosone , It also states that all confirmed cases of the virus should be sent to the treatment centers and hospitals. So what do you, or they, suggest one does when these centers and hospitals are full to overflowing with very sick patients ? 

Maybe vote Labour.

[stouricks]

9 minutes ago, Logosone said:

It's virus. In Latin virus has no plural, it's just virus.

 

In English it's viruses.

 

Virii is the plural of another Latin word.

Go on, tell us which one please.   LOL

 

[Logosone]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

From your Guardian link: 

 

Paul Klenerman, one of the Oxford researchers, called the 68% figure the most extreme result and explained that “there is another extreme which is that only a tiny proportion have been exposed”. The true figure, which is unknown, was likely somewhere in between, he said.

 

In other words, the number of people infected in Britain is either very large, very small, or middling. This may sound unhelpful, but that is precisely the point. “We need much more data about who has been exposed to inform policy,” Klenerman said.

 

In other words they don't know! And this is exposure, not contraction.

They don't know for certain in terms of having iron-clad data. Simply because that data is not available yet. The HAVE to hypothesize but you do so within rational parametres if you're an Oxford University academic.

 

And one of the models shows that it is quite possible that most of the UK has already been infected. It certainly would be more than ten times or twenty times the identified cases as Sir Patrick Vallance, the chief medical adviser of the UK has already said.

 

So even your Chief Medical Adviser is using hypothesis and non-iron clad data. He doesn't know for sure that the number of cases is ten or twenty times the identified cases. However it is the most likely conclusion, and quality analysis would dictate that the number of cases is considerably higher than identified cases. 

 

Of course nobody in the world would claim they have the exact number, but the model shows that it is more than possible that more than half the UK's population has already been infected. 

 

Which of course is excellent news. Unless you're 80.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Logosone

[geisha]

logosone, no answer to my post ?

[Chazar]

15 minutes ago, saengd said:

Do you really think that just because the corona virus is no longer classified in the same category as ebola or lassa fever that it is not a massive danger to life, as such  do you really think the current actions are not warranted......really, you really believe that!

its  not as  dangerous  as  driving daily  in Thailand if I check the death rate for  both in the next 6  months, theyre  gonna  need  at least 12000 deaths

[Logosone]

18 minutes ago, geisha said:

logosone , It also states that all confirmed cases of the virus should be sent to the treatment centers and hospitals. So what do you, or they, suggest one does when these centers and hospitals are full to overflowing with very sick patients ? 

What one always does in crowded hospitals, wait until the medical personnel tell you it's your turn?

 

What else can you do? Try another hospital. It's been like that for decades. The underfunded, understaffed NHS has been poorly managed for decades. This is not a surprise. This is not new.

 

We shouldn't let the mass media induced hysteria get to us. I've just seen a perfidious example of this mis-reporting by no-one else but Adam Boulton of Sky News.

 

They did an interview with a New York doctor. The doctor said "It's worse than 911, then we were waiting for lots of patients but they never came".

 

So on goes Adam Boulton to claim straight-faced and serious 'It's worse than 911'.

 

Well of course it would be worse from a doctor's perspective because hardly any patients came after 911. Pretty much anything would have been worse.

 

This is just a small example of how the media twists the truth for ratings and creates panic.

 

 

 

 

[NanLaew]

30 minutes ago, geisha said:

logosone , It also states that all confirmed cases of the virus should be sent to the treatment centers and hospitals. So what do you, or they, suggest one does when these centers and hospitals are full to overflowing with very sick patients ? 

Bunk beds?

[saengd]

13 minutes ago, Chazar said:

its  not as  dangerous  as  driving daily  in Thailand if I check the death rate for  both in the next 6  months, theyre  gonna  need  at least 12000 deaths

A person has a choice whether to drive on the roads or not, they have little choice in whether they frequent places where others are.

[geisha]

It is not only the NHS, practically every country has, or will have, enormous problems handling this crisis. Not something to be taken lightly. 

[Logosone]

26 minutes ago, stouricks said:

Go on, tell us which one please.   LOL

 

‘Viri’ does exist in Latin as the plural form of ‘vir’ (man).

 

Virii would be the plural form of the word virius.

 

It's simple as chips man.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Logosone

[Logosone]

2 minutes ago, geisha said:

It is not only the NHS, practically every country has, or will have, enormous problems handling this crisis. Not something to be taken lightly. 

You're quite right. Almost every country has underfunded its health service, so when push comes to shove they are not able to cope.

 

Except for the shining example of the German health service, which has basically done everything right.

 

We should judge at the end though. 

[tlock]

There is a real death toll that will come as a result of worldwide lockdowns.  Massive unemployment, people without health insurance.  I can't cite a study, but it seems clear to me that a multi-year depression would result in lower life expectancy worldwide.  

 

And then how many people will die of boredom?

 

 

[AussieBob18]

7 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

I remember (well figurately) when Galileo was the only percentage who differed.

Same thing applied to most who declared that what the majority of 'experts' at the time stated, was wrong: 

 

Albert Einstein, Girolamo Fracastoro, Alfred Wegener, Charles Darwin - Jean-Baptiste Lamarck, Giordano Bruno, Lucretius, Nicolaus Copernicus, Jocelyn Bell Burnell, Karl Schwarzschild, Jacobus Kapteyn, Marie Curie, Nikola Tesla, Ada Lovelace, Carl Linnaeus, Rosalind Franklin, Johannes Kepler, etc etc etc.

 

About the only one that wasn't denied/attacked for any length of time by the experts of the day was Isaac Newton. But only because he kept quiet about it all, until he was ready to publish and scientifially prove his theories in the one single greatest ever scientific book:  (Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy). 

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by AussieBob18

[Logosone]

4 minutes ago, tlock said:

There is a real death toll that will come as a result of worldwide lockdowns.  Massive unemployment, people without health insurance.  I can't cite a study, but it seems clear to me that a multi-year depression would result in lower life expectancy worldwide.  

 

And then how many people will die of boredom?

 

 

Absolutely, people don't seem to understand the devastating and life-changing effect which the worldwide lockdowns will have, especially on poorer service people.

 

The Great Depression was peppered with suicides, crime and domestic violence. 

[AussieBob18]

12 minutes ago, Logosone said:

‘Viri’ does exist in Latin as the plural form of ‘vir’ (man).

Virii would be the plural form of the word virius.

It's simple as chips man.

Param, Paras, Parat, Paramus, Parantus, Parant  - I remember it not very well ????

 

[FarFlungFalang]

Death rates: Italy 10% Germany 0.5%,there is a twenty fold difference?I've read that both have a mean age of 81 years for fatalities so whats the go with that?Surely Italy doesn't have a twenty fold difference in the number of 81 year olds?

[JetsetBkk]

23 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Death rates: Italy 10% Germany 0.5%,there is a twenty fold difference?I've read that both have a mean age of 81 years for fatalities so whats the go with that?Surely Italy doesn't have a twenty fold difference in the number of 81 year olds?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBB9bA-gXL4&feature=youtu.be&t=99

 

[Logosone]

Flattening the curve to avoid overwhelming the health system is conceptually sound — in theory. A visual that has become viral in media and social media shows how flattening the curve reduces the volume of the epidemic that is above the threshold of what the health system can handle at any moment.

 

Yet if the health system does become overwhelmed, the majority of the extra deaths may not be due to coronavirus but to other common diseases and conditions such as heart attacks, strokes, trauma, bleeding, and the like that are not adequately treated. If the level of the epidemic does overwhelm the health system and extreme measures have only modest effectiveness, then flattening the curve may make things worse: Instead of being overwhelmed during a short, acute phase, the health system will remain overwhelmed for a more protracted period. That’s another reason we need data about the exact level of the epidemic activity.

 

One of the bottom lines is that we don’t know how long social distancing measures and lockdowns can be maintained without major consequences to the economy, society, and mental health. Unpredictable evolutions may ensue, including financial crisis, unrest, civil strife, war, and a meltdown of the social fabric. At a minimum, we need unbiased prevalence and incidence data for the evolving infectious load to guide decision-making.

 

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

[Muzzique]

7 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

I am still raising a fundamental question on the virus. How does using a glass, or similar, of an infected person affect people?

You catch Coronavirus.