Britain's Labour turns page on socialism with Starmer as new leader

[bristolboy]

5 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

More to the point, the minority of votes NEVER won an election hahaha so yeah, dumb Labour cant see that even after a record thrashing. Life is great watching the left self implode constantly. The last 4 years have been the best in my political life. I would put the Thatcher years up there but I was only 11 when she was elected. Now, if there were more women like her in politics today, I wouldnt even be commenting, Id have another Thatcher before any man that has occupied number 10 since her

Actually, if you knew anything about the british electoral system, you'd know that the "minority of votes" nearly always wins the election. For example,Johnson got 43.6% of the votes.   And have you forgotten that Trump didn't get even a plurality of votes, much less a majority? Same goes for Bush vs. Gore.

[Walter Travolta]

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, if you knew anything about the british electoral system, you'd know that the "minority of votes" nearly always wins the election. For example,Johnson got 43.6% of the votes.   And have you forgotten that Trump didn't get even a plurality of votes, much less a majority? Same goes for Bush vs. Gore.

Oh so that means Corbyn won last year then, better hurry up and tell him bef..... oops, too late haha
Not sure how you come to the conclusion that the minority of votes wins an election but I guess that is the kind of lunacy Im dealing with here. 

Tell me, is it Bristol, Liverpool or Sheffield that is twinned with Portland Oregon? ????

 

[jany123]

31 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

Are you for real? I mentioned the dems being the same as the Labour party because they are both left wing and have the same principles. I wasnt the one who started posting figures of how many women were in congress! All I did was say that the Labour party are a set of virtue signalling liars who promise they will do everything for minorities yet never follow through, JUST LIKE THE DEMS IN THE STATES - Are you understanding yet?

I also said it is a trait of the left wing in the west to be like this, yet point to anywhere in the west where there is a leader that is a woman, someone of colour, trans, or any other minority? Merkel is one. I wasnt talking about anyone being 'deputy' or 'vice' whatever, I was talking about leaders. Honestly what are you picking at? 

My other point about inviting all and sundry in via immigration from any babhole is the lefts only chance of winning votes. Yet that usually backfires because the left are not too fond of work, they prefer people who have the ability to oppose and demonstrate against the sitting governments ideas because the left simply do not have any of their own hahaha

Please dont come across as you are schooling me, it was you that couldnt comprehend what I wrote, with the help of that irrelevant link you jumped on. And now you are so far in, you havent got the face to admit you got it wrong. I typed it the way I typed, if you didnt understand that, that is a YOU problem, not mine. Dont bother expecting yet another explanation because of your inability to comprehend ????

Ah... there it is... finally... I think

 

my question was... are you talking about heads of state or leaders in general.... your answer... heads of state only, I think... cause you say “leaders”. Leaders include far more than heads of state.... but I’ll assume you mean head of state.

 

as your answer is still very wish washy... I will assume you also mean current heads of state.

 

there... that’s narrowed the list down to 24 possible candidates. 

 

So.... are any of those 24 possibilities relevant to your position, which was;

“yet point to anywhere in the west where there is a leader that is a woman, someone of colour, trans, or any other minority?”

 

you said merkal... that’s 1:24

add New Zealand... that’s 2:24

add Iceland... that’s 3:24

add Belgium... that’s 4:24

add Switzerland... that’s 5:24

 

im starting to see why you didn’t want to give a definitive answer to my question

 

add Denmark... that’s 6:24

add Finland... that’s 7:24

add Norway... that’s 8:24.

 

im also seeing why you don’t want to debate the issue.

 

The other new points that you tossed in... do you want to discuss them as well?

 

dude... if I fail to understand your post... and I ask questions that you fail to answer, it’s not me with the language problem, it’s you... spinning of and accusing me of baiting or trolling, as you have done, might be accurate if your post wasn’t so wrong. You can’t avoid being corrected by defaulting to accusing others of breaching rules... what kind of debating tactic is that? 

[jany123]

47 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

3 times now. If you cant comprehend what it is Im saying just forget it, you're not understaing it. Like I said I cant help you with that so stop bothering me. And stop saying Im not explaining it when I have 3 different ways.Y ou are constantly banging on about the states when all I did in my OP was to make a comparison with Labour in the UK. It was an on topic comparison, go back and read it, then read it again and again if you have to.

I thought trolls were warned here ????

Ah... so your comparison was what was wrong. That wrongness was pointed out to you multiple times... glad you understand

 

im sorry to have upset you... have a nice evening

Edited April 5, 2020 by jany123

[bristolboy]

20 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

Oh so that means Corbyn won last year then, better hurry up and tell him bef..... oops, too late haha
Not sure how you come to the conclusion that the minority of votes wins an election but I guess that is the kind of lunacy Im dealing with here. 

Tell me, is it Bristol, Liverpool or Sheffield that is twinned with Portland Oregon? ????

 

Not sure about your basic grasp of math. What don't you understand about the fact that 43.6% of total votes is a minority of votes cast? You should look up the difference between "majority" and "plurality".

[Jonnapat]

At long last a Labour leader who has the capacity and goodwill to oust these Tory grandees sometime in the future, hopefully.

[Walter Travolta]

43 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Not sure about your basic grasp of math. What don't you understand about the fact that 43.6% of total votes is a minority of votes cast? You should look up the difference between "majority" and "plurality".

ahhh here we have yet another nit picker. 43.6% is of course not as much as 56.4% although it was still way more than the second place loser wasnt it. And DT didnt win the 'popular' vote but still ended up in the WH. 

And just to back my point up, look at the race for 2020 . . . 3 OLD privileged white guys. If you want to earn some dollars, back Biden to be in a nuthouse before the end of the year, its actually sad to see the Dems doing what they are doing with him and even more so Bidens family allowing it, its just wrong whether you are left or right wing. 

Are you and the other mup the same person? The cognitives are exactly the same, alter the meaning of someones comment and try and gain a victory that way? Could you really not deduce that when I was talking about minorities, I was talking about, erm, how can I simplify this for you? Not the majority? Like a combined amount of individuals not as large in number as another combined amount of individuals? Thus, when the M I N O R I T Y group puts its hands up in a classroom for example (probs the best way you will get the drift if i talk in primary school terms) and votes to do painting and the M A J O R I T Y votes for paper mache, guess what the teacher implements?

Oh and erm, I notice you didnt mention Nigel Farage and UKIP in your examples of the voting system? How very forgetful of you ????

Trump - Johnson - Brexit and another 5 years of right wing leadership must be awful for ya ????

Have a peep at the first paragraph just underneath the map of victoire ???? and notice where it says MAJORITY - off ya pop

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/12/13/britain-votes-resoundingly-for-boris-johnson

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by Walter Travolta

[elliss]

5 hours ago, pixelaoffy said:

If you think that you are out if touch with members ! Labour party membership swung dramatically to the left under a £3 membership fee and a group called momentum 

 

 Really , financed by ? , factual links , would be much appreciated .

    Please enlighten  us ...

 

[Grusa]

5 hours ago, Walter Travolta said:

I shall try 1 time to explain my point - the left, whether it be in the UK, US, Canada always bang the drum for minorities either based on colour, race, culture or sexual orientation. This is called virtue signalling. But when the left are having a change of leadership, and have the chance to elect someone from any of the above categories, they flatter to deceive each time. Yet another white male has taken the place of a white male, both regarded as privileged in todays world as long as it suits? The reply was a link basically saying how many women are in congress in the states, not relevant whatsoever.

Of course I understand how the voting system works, members of said party vote for THEIR next leader, just like the Tories did with BoJo, who doesnt know that? Im 52 so please dont patronise me ???? smiley emoji for your benefit. What you are missing is that with all the drum banging the left do about minority oppression, when they have a chance to back up their virtue signalling they fail everytime. That was the point of my OP. If you read any comments by me in previous topics, I do not avoid debate, I just refuse to be drawn into conversations about things I havent said or have been misread by other members ???? another happy emoji to show you Im not ranting ???? 
I cant offer you any more of my time as I feel it would be wasted like the last 15 minutes have been. Have a fantastic day 

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[kingdong]

25 minutes ago, rhyddid said:

Bravo! Finally real left wing on an old and bigot UK, need a new wave of changes, time to end such bigot right wing conservative who elected clown masks such BJ.

Full support to Starmer !  

Another Blair clone.

[nauseus]

Meanwhile....skulking somewhere near Parliament......

 

[blazes]

9 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

10 hours ago, blazes said:

 

There are (were) "socialists" in East Surrey????  In England's green and pleasant land?

 

Better inform MI5.

 

I guess you are a fan.  So you are using the past tense as your argument. Okay lets see how this works out. On credibility for me he has nothing.

 

If Johnson stuff this pandemic up he could lose the next election. But that's a long way off

 

I am assuming that he must be your great Labour hope.  Good luck with that.

 

Sadly he is not the working mans leader at all.

 

I will say it again he is a Champagne socialist of the highest order.

 

I see here the dangers of trying to be "funny" on ThaiVisa.  I was of course trying to raise a smile by implying that Surrey was not exactly  a hotbed of socialism (so far as I know).

 

No, I am not a "fan" of Sir Kier!  (In fact, I know almost next to nothing about him.)  The last (and only) British election I voted in was in 1964, when I supported Harold Wilson, but lived in a constituency that was "Conservative and National Liberal".

 

Starmer (or any Labour leader) will have a hard job dislodging a Tory Party that has suddenly become the party of the working class!!!!

[jany123]

7 hours ago, Walter Travolta said:

Are you and the other mup the same person? The cognitives are exactly the same, alter the meaning of someones comment and try and gain a victory that way?

Lmao... how did “the other mup” alter your meaning? He did not... He demonstrated that you were 100% wrong in saying no western countries have leader that were women, when 33% are women. 

 

Victory came because he was right and you were wrong... and in accusing him of changing your meaning, when he asked multiple times for you to clarify your meaning, your being a bit tish.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Walter Travolta said:

What you are missing is that with all the drum banging the left do about minority oppression, when they have a chance to back up their virtue signalling they fail everytime.

While the purported "leaders" of the party may bang on about such, it doesn't mean that a majority of the membership care about such. When I used to support Labour it was in the expectation that workers would get a better deal, but that was my only expectation of the party, The "diversity" and such was not important at all. The reason I stopped supporting Labour was that they changed from a worker's party to a "diversity" party and stopped trying to get a better deal for the workers. Far as that goes there is probably little difference between supposed conservative and worker parties now, just two sides of the same coin, IMO.

[norfolkandchance]

Wasn’t Staimer as head of the CPS refused to prosecute Savile due to lack of evidence.

[Kwasaki]

On 4/5/2020 at 7:46 AM, rooster59 said:

Starmer.

would need to build a fairer society, where key workers on the front line receive decent salaries and better chances in life.

[rickudon]

No-one has actually said anything about the man himself. He is not a 'Champagne socialist', his parents were working class (yes, working class people do exist in Surrey) and he didn't go straight to Oxford like Tory elitists.

 

He became the Director of Public Prosecutions in 2008, a post he held until 2013. My brother (a true blue conservative) worked with him on some court cases and said he had a lot of respect for him.

 

Corbyn was a zealous idealist, who would not compromise his beliefs. Unfortunately, in a democracy such a man is unlikely to garner much support. Reality is that democracy supports compromise and being selective about what you say. Starmer is sensible enough to polish the mad edges off of socialist idealogy.

 

I am not a Labour supporter either, or Conservative.