Biden courts Sanders voters with student loan, healthcare policies

[Cryingdick]

So Biden has basically offered Bernie a cabinet post it seems to pay off his supporters. I love that Bernie supporters are too smart to buy this. I am amused by Biden giving a podcast each day about what his plans to tackle the virus are and open the economy. Does he realize he isn't in office?

 

Biden has just as little sway on the outcome right now as all of us that post here. The election is in November and by then it's either sorted or too late.

Edited April 14, 2020 by Cryingdick

[Chiphigh]

On 4/10/2020 at 3:04 AM, Jingthing said:

Biden comes as advertised, a decent left of center politician. I think both proposals are both good policy and good politics. The student loan thing is more of a Bernie issue, including Medicare at age 60 has more appeal to independents and accidental 45 supporters. But I assume that's only a buy in option which so many people won't be able to afford. The truth is in the USA that health care is tied to employment and if you lose your job at 60, the majority of people will have very few options. Sure people want much more but at least it's an improvement over 45's plans to totally trash Obamacare and replace it with nothing. I also assume this is kind of an opening position and Bernie will be pushing for some more and he'll probably get it. I think that because these proposals are very modest. It would help bring Bernie people along if he can help Biden move further. I am personally disappointed because I feel the virus situation has the USA primed for a real universal health care system as in Canada and UK more so than ever.

 

But again at the end of the day and the end of the election, democratic policy statements don't really matter. It's a referendum on 45 and he is in the deep doo doo and he knows it.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-reason-trump-is-skeptical-of-mail-in-voting-because-hed-likely-lose/2020/04/09/0a4982f2-7a99-11ea-a130-df573469f094_story.html

Beat him like a drum!

Would a "decent" politician allow his son to accompany him on a official trip to China and the be awarded a massive investment deal benefiting his son? 

 

Of course, we know that the double standards applies to only one party. 

 

How biased do you have to be to ignore this documented fact? 

[Cryingdick]

Just now, Chiphigh said:

Would a "decent" politician allow his son to accompany him on a official trip to China and the be awarded a massive investment deal benefiting his son? 

 

Of course, we know that the double standards applies to only one party. 

 

How biased do you have to be to ignore this documented fact? 

 

You are talking to a poster who is famous for ignoring any opinion that doesn't suit his narrative. What do you expect?

[Chomper Higgot]

44 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Divisive? Hillary told half the country they are utter pieces of human waste and would end their livelihoods forever. Divisive? 

Apart from your but but but... Hilary.

 

No she didn’t.

[Chiphigh]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah, that's a great way to answer the endless attacks on correct and righteous critics of 45.

 

Seriously, what is not to hate about a president that did this? 

 

Unforgiveable.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/13/trumps-deadly-negligence-is-now-demonstrated-beyond-reasonable-doubt/

If anyone was ever in denial about the moral preening and unfounded self prescribed superiority complex of the progressive liberal hive:

 

"correct and righteous critics of 45"

 

Is the shining example of the blinding hatred fueling this emotional irrational response to anything trump. 

 

 

[Cryingdick]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Apart from your but but but... Hilary.

 

No she didn’t.

 

Trump runs the show until November, no ifs, ands, and buts about it. Hillary was a terribly polarizing figure, if you can't admit that, you have no argument.

 

Why bring it up? Because I wish you people would learn and pointing out past errors is what could make you stronger. 

Edited April 14, 2020 by Cryingdick

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Trump runs the show until November, no ifs, ands, and buts about it. Hillary was a terribly polarizing figure, if you can't admit that, you have no argument.

 

Why bring it up? Because I wish you people would learn and pointing out past errors is what could make you stronger. 

Hilary is not the subject of discussion, other that is in your whataboutary.

[Kelsall]

On 4/12/2020 at 10:44 PM, Crazy Alex said:

"The fact is, every time I've called the president, he's quickly gotten on the line."

-- Gavin Newsom (D), governor of California

 

 

 

 

And this from the DEMOCRAT Governor of New York...

 

 Gov. Andrew Cuomo lauds Trump as 'amazingly accessible': 'He has delivered for New York'

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/13/andrew-cuomo-lauds-trump-as-amazingly-accessible-h/

 

But the haters of course still hate, because it's in their DNA.

[Tug]

2 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

And this from the DEMOCRAT Governor of New York...

 

 Gov. Andrew Cuomo lauds Trump as 'amazingly accessible': 'He has delivered for New York'

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/13/andrew-cuomo-lauds-trump-as-amazingly-accessible-h/

 

But the haters of course still hate, because it's in their DNA.

They have to stroke him or their people die the lives of their citizens is more important to them than calling out that narcissist imo it’s like the drug cartels gold or lead your choice 

[Cryingdick]

33 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hilary is not the subject of discussion, other that is in your whataboutary.

Agreed. True, Trump is the president. He will be the president 100% guaranteed for the next 7 months and after that until January. He will be the sitting president until then.

 

Even after that he will refuse to leave. So the next election is likely to be 2024.

Edited April 14, 2020 by Cryingdick

[Cryingdick]

31 minutes ago, Tug said:

They have to stroke him or their people die the lives of their citizens is more important to them than calling out that narcissist imo it’s like the drug cartels gold or lead your choice 

Joe has to be very careful who he intends to put in his cabinet. It is universally accepted he won't be alive to be sworn in.

[248900_1469958220]

It almost seems as though the democrats like shooting themselves in the foot. Its a re run of 2016. Expect a lot of peed off Bernie bros to cast protest votes for you know who....and please...please be stupid enough to run with Clinton again, the entertainment value would be POST APOCALYPTIC BABY! 

[248900_1469958220]

Good ole Joe 'where am I'? Biden is the perfect candidate.....he'll be signing those papers to bomb places he's never heard of, and then have no recollection of it by the next morning! 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

Agreed. True, Trump is the president. He will be the president 100% guaranteed for the next 7 months and after that until January. He will be the sitting president until then.

 

Even after that he will refuse to leave. So the next election is likely to be 2024.

I don’t know where you get this nonsense.

 

The election is mandated in the Constitution, it will be held in November 2020.

 

The President in the White House after January 2021 will be the candidate who wins the election.

 

Period!

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

 It is universally accepted he won't be alive to be sworn in.

Since I don’t accept any such assertion  both claims you make in one short sentence are nonsense.

 

Perhaps you should accept your right-field views are not ‘universally held.

 

 

Edited April 14, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

snip

 

But the haters of course still hate, because it's in their DNA.

Please Kelsall, give us a break, it seems like nearly every post you come up with has the "Haters love to hate" line, and now you have added the catch all "It's in their DNA". 

 

Trying something new and original would be a breath of fresh air, whatever your political views.

 

BTW many people totally despise 45, but they don't hate him. You don't hate a child with serious personality disorders who regularly throws tantrums; you feel sorry for them. When their behaviour affects others then you call the social work department for help.

 

I don't hate 45, I feel sorry for him, sadly his unimaginably vast inadequacy is a horrendous burden on the American people, particularly in this virus crisis. 

  

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Please Kelsall, give us a break, it seems like nearly every post you come up with has the "Haters love to hate" line, and now you have added the catch all "It's in their DNA". 

 

Trying something new and original would be a breath of fresh air, whatever your political views.

 

BTW many people totally despise 45, but they don't hate him. You don't hate a child with serious personality disorders who regularly throws tantrums; you feel sorry for them. When their behaviour affects others then you call the social work department for help.

 

I don't hate 45, I feel sorry for him, sadly his unimaginably vast inadequacy is a horrendous burden on the American people, particularly in this virus crisis. 

  

I hate him. There is no good excuse not to hate him. He isn't a child. He's the most powerful very much grown ass man in the world. He has caused immeasurable damage and now he has the blood of tens of thousands of Americans on his hands. What's not to hate? When you have a disastrously incompetent damaging leader, it's normal and natural to hate her and also of course to make best efforts to oust such a leader.

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t know where you get this nonsense.

 

The election is mandated in the Constitution, it will be held in November 2020.

 

The President in the White House after January 2021 will be the candidate who wins the election.

 

Period!

 

This president clearly has no respect for the rule of law or the constitution. So I wouldn't put the 2020 election on the books with that man in the white house until it actually happens, and if he loses, if he actually leaves. We all know he's going to call any negative result a fraud. He even did that in 2016 when he won!

Edited April 14, 2020 by Jingthing

[Number 6]

5 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

Would a "decent" politician allow his son to accompany him on a official trip to China and the be awarded a massive investment deal benefiting his son? 

 

Of course, we know that the double standards applies to only one party. 

 

How biased do you have to be to ignore this documented fact? 

And has the boards he sat on he has absolutely no experience and has point blank admitted such.

 

Hunter Biden sits or sat on many boards with absolutely no other reason other than connection to his father the man running for president. Honest Joe Biden.

 

That's why the left made such a 5hitstorm of Trump in Ukraine because it was really Biden and son with their panties around their ankles. Obfuscate, Deflect. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

 

Edited April 14, 2020 by Number 6

[Chiphigh]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I hate him. There is no good excuse not to hate him. He isn't a child. He's the most powerful very much grown ass man in the world. He has caused immeasurable damage and now he has the blood of tens of thousands of Americans on his hands. What's not to hate? When you have a disastrously incompetent damaging leader, it's normal and natural to hate her and also of course to make best efforts to oust such a leader.

Yes, we know you do. 

It is in every emotional irrational post that you make. 

To try and ascribe blame for the people who have passed away from the virus, while ignoring the Chinese deception is pure hatred and irrational hatred. 

 

It's good that you have admitted that. 

Edited April 14, 2020 by Chiphigh

[Crazy Alex]

10 hours ago, Tug said:

They have to stroke him or their people die the lives of their citizens is more important to them than calling out that narcissist imo it’s like the drug cartels gold or lead your choice 

Yes, because dealing with Trump is just like dealing with a drug cartel. You may not see it, but rational Americans aren't in sync with your thinking. I hope to see voices like yours given a prominent position in the Biden campaign through election day. I can only hope you realize your rhetoric is solely for jousting purposes on an internet forum and not the actual route to take.

 

Actually, I hope you don't realize that.

[Crazy Alex]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I hate him. There is no good excuse not to hate him.

Yes, there are many reasons to not hate Trump. Your apparent inability to see them does not change that.

[Crazy Alex]

9 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Please Kelsall, give us a break, it seems like nearly every post you come up with has the "Haters love to hate" line, and now you have added the catch all "It's in their DNA". 

 

Trying something new and original would be a breath of fresh air, whatever your political views.

 

BTW many people totally despise 45, but they don't hate him. You don't hate a child with serious personality disorders who regularly throws tantrums; you feel sorry for them. When their behaviour affects others then you call the social work department for help.

 

I don't hate 45, I feel sorry for him, sadly his unimaginably vast inadequacy is a horrendous burden on the American people, particularly in this virus crisis. 

  

The fact is, there is a very large contingent of Americans who are literally consumed with hatred for Donald Trump. So it is always appropriate to point out. While foreigners are free to speak their mind and join in the hatred, we normal Americans generally don't care what foreigners think. The not caring about what foreigners think statement is not gratuitous. It is at the core of why many people voted for Donald Trump in the first place.

[CharlieH]

Reported off topic post removed.

[Nigel Garvie]

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

The fact is, there is a very large who contingent of Americans are literally consumed with hatred for Donald Trump. So it is always appropriate to point out. While foreigners are free to speak their mind and join in the hatred, we normal Americans generally don't care what foreigners think. The not caring about what foreigners think statement is not gratuitous. It is at the core of why many people voted for Donald Trump in the first place.

Whether a large "contingent of Americans are literally consumed with hatred" or not is not my point. Repeating the same phrase again and again is tedious, and a poor substitute for reasoned argument. Meanwhile to the basic topic,  I would be very surprised if a significant proportion of the youth who supported Bernie this time would be stupid enough to vote for Trump, even those who out of idiotic misguided passion did last time, in their bitterness over Bernie's defeat. Biden is not Hilary. Cosy old uncle Joe may not be firing on all cylinders, but recent press conferences are suggesting that Trump is totally losing the plot. Time for the Trumpets to deny what they are seeing and hearing, blindingly obvious though it is. Hopefully also avoiding  but but but Hilary etc, that approach does us all a disservice. 

[Cryingdick]

Well Obama finally got off the fence and endorsed Biden. For awhile I thought he was going to join the Trump camp. 

[Crazy Alex]

37 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Whether a large "contingent of Americans are literally consumed with hatred" or not is not my point. Repeating the same phrase again and again is tedious, and a poor substitute for reasoned argument. Meanwhile to the basic topic,  I would be very surprised if a significant proportion of the youth who supported Bernie this time would be stupid enough to vote for Trump, even those who out of idiotic misguided passion did last time, in their bitterness over Bernie's defeat. Biden is not Hilary. Cosy old uncle Joe may not be firing on all cylinders, but recent press conferences are suggesting that Trump is totally losing the plot. Time for the Trumpets to deny what they are seeing and hearing, blindingly obvious though it is. Hopefully also avoiding  but but but Hilary etc, that approach does us all a disservice. 

You are under the false assumption that I have an obligation to echo your point. Very strange. No, it's not your point. It's part of mine. Furthermore, it's always good to point out hate, is it not? Why do you think such statements need to adhere to some arbitrary standard you came up with?

 

As for the Bernie Bros, there are three basic types. First, there's the principled ones who won't vote for Biden. Second, there's the loyal Democrats who'll hold their nose and vote for Biden. And third, there's the bums who are too lazy to go out and vote anyway.

 

As for Trump versus Biden regarding lucidity, I am happy to let the American people decide when they watch each of the candidates interact during the debate. Honest people who are paying attention know that doesn't bode well for Biden.

[riclag]

On 4/14/2020 at 12:01 AM, nattaya09 said:

The Bernie Bro's like the free stuff message but even Bernie couldn't get them to show up at the polls on election day

History repeats itself  ! biden needs bbros, many will stay home! Why,because they feel slighted again, their socialist revolution has been stopped, along with their dreams of free and the  elimination of their plan to taxing the  1% . They won't be coming out for  biden.biden  is n't gonna  appease  sanders, and  give in  to some of his  socialist platform, without alienating moderate independents.

 imop, just because sanders endorses biden ,it doesn't necessarily mean the bbros will heed sanders advice.

The pandemic works in the POTUS favor! He's got the bully pulpit.

 

"Amid the economic and political uncertainty of the coronavirus pandemic, the Democratic Party now must struggle to bridge the distance between their disparate factions".

sanders:"It's no great secret out there, Joe, that you and I have our differences. We're not going to paper them over -- that's real," Sanders said as he endorsed Biden, then adding, "we need you in the White House".

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democratic-partys-progressive-wing-leverages-political-power-push/story?id=69598594

Edited April 15, 2020 by riclag

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, riclag said:

History repeats itself  ! biden needs bbros, many will stay home! Why,because they feel slighted again, their socialist revolution has been stopped, along with their dreams of free and the  elimination of their plan to taxing the  1% . They won't be coming out for  biden.biden  is n't gonna  appease  sanders, and  give in  to some of his  socialist platform without alienating moderate independents.

 imop, just because sanders endorses biden ,it doesn't necessarily mean the bbros will heed sanders advice.

The pandemic works in the POTUS favor! He's got the bully pulpit.

 

"Amid the economic and political uncertainty of the coronavirus pandemic, the Democratic Party now must struggle to bridge the distance between their disparate factions".

sanders:"It's no great secret out there, Joe, that you and I have our differences. We're not going to paper them over -- that's real," Sanders said as he endorsed Biden, then adding, "we need you in the White House".

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democratic-partys-progressive-wing-leverages-political-power-push/story?id=69598594

Odd given Biden has yet to announce his policy commitments. 

[riclag]

18 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

The fact is, there is a very large contingent of Americans who are literally consumed with hatred for Donald Trump. So it is always appropriate to point out. While foreigners are free to speak their mind and join in the hatred, we normal Americans generally don't care what foreigners think. The not caring about what foreigners think statement is not gratuitous. It is at the core of why many people voted for Donald Trump in the first place.

By having the bully pulpit ,the POTUS enacts plans to millions of Americans on taking the economy back from the enemy,pandemic!

The left has critized the POTUS as a looser,cause of his  past bankruptcies.While neglecting his pulling himself up by the boot straps and becoming more successful!

The dreams of the socialist  left have been dashed by a senial  old man that can't even remember the difference between his sister and wife,remember where he is. Most importantly biden reeks of the past 40 years of unnecessary intervention of some middle east countries  ! 

 

Edited April 15, 2020 by riclag