Kor Ror 2 available anywhere? - Non-O extension (marriage)

[USNret]

Hi.  My initial 90-day non-O for marriage expires May 20.  Whenever the amnesty policy ends, immigration offices all over Thailand are going to be a clusterf__k since foreigners everywhere will have like a week to catch up & renew their visas.  I would rather avoid that mad crowd by doing my 1-year extension now while things are relatively quiet. 

The one obstacle is obtaining a new Kor Ror 2 at the local amphur.  We've called a couple of amphurs and they are not issuing Kor Ror 2 for now. All they are doing is registering births, deaths, and marriages.  Does anyone know if this is a policy nationwide, or should we call other amphurs to find one who will issue a Kor Ror 2 in these crazy days?  Does anyone know of any amphur around BKK that IS issuing Kor Ror 2 right now? 

Will CW even accept my 1-year non-O extension in April, or will they tell me to come back after April 30?  And if they are open for business, might they tell me "mai phen rai" about the Kor Ror 2 in recognition of the fact that they are hard or impossible to get right now?  

Thank you in advance for any insight. 

[ubonjoe]

You can do your extension now since you have less than 45 day before your 90 days ends.

If you got a updated Kor Ror 2 when you applied for the visa they will accept the one you have.

A member reported not having a new one due to the Amphoes not doing them and was told by his local office they would accept the old one.

[Tanoshi]

35 minutes ago, USNret said:

Hi.  My initial 90-day non-O for marriage expires May 20.  Whenever the amnesty policy ends, immigration offices all over Thailand are going to be a clusterf__k since foreigners everywhere will have like a week to catch up & renew their visas.  I would rather avoid that mad crowd by doing my 1-year extension now while things are relatively quiet. 

In my honest opinion the amnesty will be extended monthly until such time as the local borders reopen allowing those on VE, TV, and Non O's to exit/re-enter. Given the current situation I cannot foresee that happening until at least July.

Why would the IO's be clusterf__ck at the end of the amnesty. The majority whom this amnesty affect will then be hightailing across the border to obtain a new entry or new Visa.

 

The only folk now visiting IO's (with maybe a couple of exceptions) should be those renewing their annual internal extensions of stay, (permits not Visas) or those applying for the first annual extension.

That was the intention of the amnesty to free up the crowds.

 

35 minutes ago, USNret said:

The one obstacle is obtaining a new Kor Ror 2 at the local amphur.  We've called a couple of amphurs and they are not issuing Kor Ror 2 for now. All they are doing is registering births, deaths, and marriages.  Does anyone know if this is a policy nationwide, or should we call other amphurs to find one who will issue a Kor Ror 2 in these crazy days?  Does anyone know of any amphur around BKK that IS issuing Kor Ror 2 right now? 

Contact the Provincial Amphoe for further advice on how/where to obtain an update Kor Ror 2.

As you've had a home visit already recently the requirement of a Kor Ror 2 could we waived under the circumstances.

 

(Edit: UJ just answered the last question).

[USNret]

13 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Contact the Provincial Amphoe for further advice on how/where to obtain an update Kor Ror 2.

As you've had a home visit already recently the requirement of a Kor Ror 2 could we waived under the circumstances.

 

(Edit: UJ just answered the last question).

Yes, we had a home visit in February.  Which brings the 2nd question... will CW want to do a 2nd home visit?  I don't see why they would since they just came & got a witness statement.  But there is no predicting what any particular IO would want to do.  We hope there is no 2nd home visit; we are not inviting outsiders into our home and we would have to do massive decontamination following any visit. 

[ubonjoe]

16 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

In my honest opinion the amnesty will be extended monthly until such time as the local borders reopen allowing those on VE, TV, and Non O's to exit/re-enter.

But he applied for his at immigration. Not sure the rule will apply since it was not from an entry to the country from one.

[Tanoshi]

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

But he applied for his at immigration. Not sure the rule will apply since it was not from an entry to the country from one.

I know. I never suggested he was entitled to an automatic extension.

It was to reinforce the fact that under the amnesty those who entered VE, TV, Non O should no longer have any requirement to visit an IO. Therefore CW shouldn't be a clusterf--k at the time he submits his extension request, nor when returning after it's approval, which was his original concern.

[Tanoshi]

23 minutes ago, USNret said:

Yes, we had a home visit in February.  Which brings the 2nd question... will CW want to do a 2nd home visit?

In my own experience and from those I've read, only one home visit is required.

[USNret]

2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

In my own experience and from those I've read, only one home visit is required.

It seems each different office has it's own unique practices.  In other conversions, some people have never had a home visit in 17 years; others have had one each & every time they extend.  Just not sure what to make of CW. 

[USNret]

45 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Why would the IO's be clusterf__ck at the end of the amnesty. The majority whom this amnesty affect will then be hightailing across the border to obtain a new entry or new Visa.

Regarding why it will be a big mess after amnesty... I believe nearly everyone in need of an extension is presently NOT doing an extension. But once amnesty is lifted, all of them will dash to their nearest IO to get caught up.  I believe we will be given a week or so to do any extension that had been deferred.

Even in "normal" times (pre-COVID), CW is a madhouse packed with thousands of people.  Now imagine a rush to clear a backlog of work, it will be twice the insane asylum it normally is.  Virus or no, it's just not a time & place I would want to be in.  My expectation is that right now, it must be fairly deserted and it seems like perhaps the best time to go visit, while things are quiet. 

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, USNret said:

It seems each different office has it's own unique practices.  In other conversions, some people have never had a home visit in 17 years; others have had one each & every time they extend.  Just not sure what to make of CW. 

It is different in you case since they did one not long ago when you applied for the visa.

Other are writing about annual extensions. I have never had one but for the first one they had us get a letter from the local police chief but ended up with his and 2 more form policemen the new us.

[Tanoshi]

2 minutes ago, USNret said:

It seems each different office has it's own unique practices.  In other conversions, some people have never had a home visit in 17 years; others have had one each & every time they extend.  Just not sure what to make of CW. 

CW never started enforcing TM30 submissions or home visits until a couple of years ago.

I haven't read of CW making multiple house visits.

UJ keeps more detailed requirements on individual offices and perhaps he can concur that having already had a home visit a further visit isn't required.

 

It wouldn't surprise me, or rather it would be common sense if home visits were suspended for the time being.

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, USNret said:

Regarding why it will be a big mess after amnesty... I believe nearly everyone in need of an extension is presently NOT doing an extension. But once amnesty is lifted, all of them will dash to their nearest IO to get caught up.  I believe we will be given a week or so to do any extension that had been deferred.

But that will no be happening next month. The covid 19 emergency will certainly not be over on the 30th of this month.

[Tanoshi]

4 minutes ago, USNret said:

Regarding why it will be a big mess after amnesty... I believe nearly everyone in need of an extension is presently NOT doing an extension. But once amnesty is lifted, all of them will dash to their nearest IO to get caught up.  I believe we will be given a week or so to do any extension that had been deferred.

I absolutely concur with UJ. In my opinion this amnesty will last until at least the end of June.

Whilst Lao, Cambodia and Myanmar continue with their border closures to Thailand, TI will have little option other than to keep extending the amnesty. 

 

As UJ has already stated your within the window to submit your extension application at CW now.

However aren't Hua Hin and Bangkok currently under lockdown to prevent inter Provincial travelling?

Roi Et Province was locked down yesterday until 17th (Songkran period).

You probably have more local knowledge than I do on that issue.

[FinickyFarang]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

You can do your extension now since you have less than 45 day before your 90 days ends.

If you got a updated Kor Ror 2 when you applied for the visa they will accept the one you have.

A member reported not having a new one due to the Amphoes not doing them and was told by his local office they would accept the old one.

What if you never had an updated one?  

 

I came here on a non-o.  Missed getting a border bounce when my visa came due (borders shut) so had to go to Nonthaburi immigration for a 60 day extension.  

 

The plan always was to eventually convert to extension based on marriage but I had planned on doing that closer to the expiry of the visa.  Now I'm thinking, just get it over with and not have to worry about the covid stuff or doing any more border runs or count on future visa extensions.  

 

If I go to immigration with just my original Kor Ror 2 in the next week or two, what's the likely outcome since the local amphurs don't seem to be doing those at the moment?  

 

[ubonjoe]

9 minutes ago, FinickyFarang said:

What if you never had an updated one?  

I think immigration will make an exception if you cannot get a printout at a Amphoe or Khet.

 

[BritTim]

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Why would the IO's be clusterf__ck at the end of the amnesty. The majority whom this amnesty affect will then be hightailing across the border to obtain a new entry or new Visa.

There are a few dubious assumptions to your view.

1. As soon as borders reopen, you will be able to enter neighbouring countries without submitting to a 14-day quarantine and/or showing substantial health insurance.
2. Thai consulates in neighbouring countries will be issuing all categories of visas that they used to in the past without meeting difficult to obtain conditions.
3. It will be easy to return to Thailand. Before the current ban on foreigners entering Thailand, recall that they were requiring US$100,000 health insurance including Covid-19 cover plus other things

[Tanoshi]

6 minutes ago, BritTim said:

There are a few dubious assumptions to your view.

1. As soon as borders reopen, you will be able to enter neighbouring countries without submitting to a 14-day quarantine and/or showing substantial health insurance.
2. Thai consulates in neighbouring countries will be issuing all categories of visas that they used to in the past without meeting difficult to obtain conditions.
3. It will be easy to return to Thailand. Before the current ban on foreigners entering Thailand, recall that they were requiring US$100,000 health insurance including Covid-19 cover plus other things

The OP is applying for an extension at Immigration, not crossing a border.

His concern was that as soon as the amnesty ends the TI offices will be full of tourists once again.

 

Your post merely confirms my own opinion that that will not be the case. Those on VE, TV and Non O's will be mostly heading for the borders, not the Immigration offices.

[bkkfaranguy]

I just did a 60 day extension at CW and the accepted my Kor Ror 2 which is the original from 7 years ago, but I imagine ever office is different, CW also wanted my TM30 so don't forget that as well.

[Number 6]

My experience at CW. For five years they wanted the updated one. The last two a copy of original. Who the heck knows. I just bring both.

 

CW also wanted 2x copies of house map.

 

PS yeah, CW is bedlam but the non o section was very quiet in January. Picking up extension. Copy of bank book, 90 day report. Some other crazy nonsense. Arrive early.

 

 

[BritTim]

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

2 hours ago, BritTim said:

There are a few dubious assumptions to your view.

1. As soon as borders reopen, you will be able to enter neighbouring countries without submitting to a 14-day quarantine and/or showing substantial health insurance.
2. Thai consulates in neighbouring countries will be issuing all categories of visas that they used to in the past without meeting difficult to obtain conditions.
3. It will be easy to return to Thailand. Before the current ban on foreigners entering Thailand, recall that they were requiring US$100,000 health insurance including Covid-19 cover plus other things

The OP is applying for an extension at Immigration, not crossing a border.

His concern was that as soon as the amnesty ends the TI offices will be full of tourists once again.

 

Your post merely confirms my own opinion that that will not be the case. Those on VE, TV and Non O's will be mostly heading for the borders, not the Immigration offices.

... and I was expressing my opinion that there will not be hoards of tourists and Non O visa holders headed to the border so they can begin a 14-day period of enforced quarantine in Cambodia or Malaysia. Those tourists that can will choose between a return to home country or trying for extensions of stay.

[FinickyFarang]

3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

I think immigration will make an exception if you cannot get a printout at a Amphoe or Khet.

 

Much appreciated.  Thanks!  I was hoping that would be the answer.  ????

 

[Tanoshi]

6 minutes ago, BritTim said:

... and I was expressing my opinion that there will not be hoards of tourists and Non O visa holders headed to the border so they can begin a 14-day period of enforced quarantine in Cambodia or Malaysia. Those tourists that can will choose between a return to home country or trying for extensions of stay.

Your entitled to your opinion.

However the facts remain that the OP is within the window to apply for his marriage extension at CW now.

After his under consideration period he will have to return for his extension stamp in May.

 

His concern about 'crowding' and 'social distancing' are therefore unwarranted as the amnesty will almost certainly continue for an undefined period, certainly beyond May 30th and Immigration offices be in a position to enforce 'social distancing'.

 

Do you seriously believe that Immigration will give further 30 day extensions under the standard conditions of extensions after the amnesty ceases when borders reopen after probably already issuing 2/3/4 extensions.

 

[USNret]

This report exemplifies why I'd like to renew my visa during this downtime.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1158816-chaengwattana-is-a-ghost-town/

[BritTim]

17 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Do you seriously believe that Immigration will give further 30 day extensions under the standard conditions of extensions after the amnesty ceases when borders reopen after probably already issuing 2/3/4 extensions.

No, I do not. However, I can see many people attending immigration to request an extension (denied) and getting seven days to leave the country. I think most who are eligible for the 60-day extension to visit Thai spouse/child will also avail themselves of that opportunity. What I do not expect is a lot of people attempting to do border bounces or visa runs to neighbouring countries. Those who do not return to their home countries will be attending immigration.

[Tanoshi]

2 hours ago, BritTim said:

No, I do not. However, I can see many people attending immigration to request an extension (denied) and getting seven days to leave the country. I think most who are eligible for the 60-day extension to visit Thai spouse/child will also avail themselves of that opportunity. What I do not expect is a lot of people attempting to do border bounces or visa runs to neighbouring countries. Those who do not return to their home countries will be attending immigration.

I can't disagree with your hypothesis, however those in this position that I've communicated with are desperate for the borders to open to obtain a further Visa or a 30 day VE entry. They're hopeful Immigration will allow a 7-14 day window of opportunity to do this prior to an announcement of the cessation date of amnesty.

I believe there are those who will visit Immigration as you suggest, but I don't believe it will be mass hoards clogging up the system again. It greatly depends on when the borders reopen and the amnesty ends.

Looking at how Immigration are staggering these automatic 30 day extension, by 15 days at a time, it suggests when the borders do reopen folks will have varying periods of granted permission to stay left, unless TI cancel all automatic periods of stay from a specific date.