Finance Ministry clarifies 5,000-baht monthly cash handout issue

[mok199]

5000 bt /mnth to anyone who has financial conections to someone in govt ie. scooter taxi. tour groups , speed boat operaters , jet ski rental staff...Thai CIVAL SERVATNTS take care of themselves first...

[Greg O]

So basically they've all been screwed by the government. Some things never change..

[LoS itaint]

8 hours ago, mok199 said:

5000 bt /mnth to anyone who has financial conections to someone in govt ie. scooter taxi. tour groups , speed boat operaters , jet ski rental staff...Thai CIVAL SERVATNTS take care of themselves first...

It was always going to be that way so why it has surprised some Thais is beyond me...Apparently there will be a means of appealing via internet on Sunday for the 23 mill that were denied...555

 

[OneeyedJohn]

On 4/14/2020 at 10:33 AM, Russell17au said:

A friend of mine has a legal massage shop and she was forced to close her shop on 18th March by the Ministry of Public Health so she has applied for this 5000 baht assistance as she still has to pay the rent on the shop. She received notification that her application was rejected because her father is a farmer. Her father has been dead for 6 years so what is he farming? This is a pathetic joke.

This is exactly the same attitude the Amphur had when my wife and I went to apply for a yellow book. They insisted on having my father's name, and I said my father is dead, he never lived with me, he isn't on my birth certificate, he doesn't exist or never did exist in my life and I don't know his name .

They wouldn't accept that.

This childish mentality of these fukkkin beaurocrats where they have to tick every fukkkkin box pisssses me off.

[473geo]

It's a bad flip from '5000 baht we are saved', to nothing at all, or you may appeal

 

One major problem is the recently working offspring unable to continue contributing for their parents and family on the homestead, imagine the pressure and disappointment from being unable to fulfill obligations of help and support for family. I got the impression it was a source of pride, for many, to send a little home every month

 

Very sad indeed

[treetops]

Talk now that the 3 (maybe 6) months of benefit will be cut to 1 month.

[rbkk]

22 minutes ago, OneeyedJohn said:

This is exactly the same attitude the Amphur had when my wife and I went to apply for a yellow book. They insisted on having my father's name, and I said my father is dead, he never lived with me, he isn't on my birth certificate, he doesn't exist or never did exist in my life and I don't know his name .

They wouldn't accept that.

This childish mentality of these fukkkin beaurocrats where they have to tick every fukkkkin box pisssses me off.

They might have accepted OneeyedJohn Senior!

[rbkk]

6 minutes ago, treetops said:

Talk now that the 3 (maybe 6) months of benefit will be cut to 1 month.

source?

[pagallim]

In the Thai social media, Prayuth has announced that the country does not have the money to extend the 5000 baht handout for more than one month.   A lot of people are very, very upset, and no, this is not false news.

[treetops]

15 minutes ago, rbkk said:

source?

Tilac watching some news in Thai on her phone, but pagallim seems to back it up.

 

Some mention of involving the IMF but I never got all that.

[rbkk]

https://www.bot.or.th/App/BTWS_STAT/statistics/BOTWEBSTAT.aspx?reportID=80&language=ENG Perhaps the IMF could return Thailands' 28.3 Billion Baht they are holding at this time. The people are in desperate need. Suicides and thefts are on the rise. 

[pagallim]

Not sure if this link will be allowed, but it's the one that is getting everyone wound up at the moment.   The gist of what Prayuth is saying is that Thailand does not have the money to make more than one months payment to those claiming their 5000 baht, and they are applying to the IMF for further funds.

 

https://www.one31.net/news/detail/20316?fbclid=IwAR3Y29IuXNJpZvXVg7iNxb0smLO4T-vHTphmXR5D5fMdIMM9IMZm7V8uA-I#.Xpa-AGplREQ.facebook

[rbkk]

2 minutes ago, rbkk said:

https://www.bot.or.th/App/BTWS_STAT/statistics/BOTWEBSTAT.aspx?reportID=80&language=ENG Perhaps the IMF could return Thailands' 28.3 Billion Baht they are holding at this time. The people are in desperate need. Suicides and thefts are on the rise. 

That roughly equates to 1,000 baht for every one of the 28 million who applied.

[rbkk]

12 minutes ago, pagallim said:

Not sure if this link will be allowed, but it's the one that is getting everyone wound up at the moment.   The gist of what Prayuth is saying is that Thailand does not have the money to make more than one months payment to those claiming their 5000 baht, and they are applying to the IMF for further funds.

 

https://www.one31.net/news/detail/20316?fbclid=IwAR3Y29IuXNJpZvXVg7iNxb0smLO4T-vHTphmXR5D5fMdIMM9IMZm7V8uA-I#.Xpa-AGplREQ.facebook

The numbers of farmers seems to have risen recently. 9 million to 13 million and now up to 17 million. Does this mean that those who were declined for being a 'farmer' can access the Farmer Relief Scheme next week? https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1159205-government-finalising-cash-handouts-to-farmers/

 

[khunpa]

I am starting to get much more worried about Thais in financial trouble, than the virus.

 

Way to many of the Thais I know, will no survive this much longer. And once people get hungry and desperate, the virus will just be a small issue.

 

Thailand is in for a hell of a terrible time.

Edited April 15, 2020 by khunpa

[rbkk]

7 minutes ago, khunpa said:

I am starting to get much more worried about Thais in financial trouble, than the virus.

 

Way to many of the Thais I know, will no survive this much longer. And once people get hungry and desperate, the virus will just be a small issue.

 

Thailand is in for a hell of a terrible time.

Some horrible and sad reports already, and increasing.

[rbkk]

In the Metro and Evening Standard     .co.uk,  Shhhhh.

[Monomial]

2 hours ago, pagallim said:

Not sure if this link will be allowed, but it's the one that is getting everyone wound up at the moment.   The gist of what Prayuth is saying is that Thailand does not have the money to make more than one months payment to those claiming their 5000 baht, and they are applying to the IMF for further funds.

 

https://www.one31.net/news/detail/20316?fbclid=IwAR3Y29IuXNJpZvXVg7iNxb0smLO4T-vHTphmXR5D5fMdIMM9IMZm7V8uA-I#.Xpa-AGplREQ.facebook

 

After reading this (with some help from Google in several places because my Thai sucks), this is my only thought:

 

I'm on record as hating Thaksin. He was a demagogue and horrible for Thailand. I truly loathe the man and didn't think anything could be worse for the country.

 

Bring back Thaksin.

[DrTuner]

3 minutes ago, Monomial said:

After reading this (with some help from Google in several places because my Thai sucks), this is my only thought:

 

I'm on record as hating Thaksin. He was a demagogue and horrible for Thailand. I truly loathe the man and didn't think anything could be worse for the country.

 

Bring back Thaksin.

If the next guy with the pol pot stare takes over, we'll be missing uncle pretty badly. Down, down, dooooowwnn....

[Monomial]

3 hours ago, pagallim said:

The gist of what Prayuth is saying is that Thailand does not have the money to make more than one months payment to those claiming their 5000 baht

 

Do what the rest of the country is doing then. Pawn his submarines at the BMA sponsored pawn shops...

 

[rkidlad]

When I first read the government would be giving 5k each for people who lost their jobs, etc. I was skeptical. My main concern was how many people would actually get this money because I knew it would be many millions who needed it. Then when I started to read people who needed it the most were being rejected, I felt the 5k offer was mostly something being used to buy time while they worked out what to do.

 

Well, now I'm reading that Prayut says there may not be enough for 3 months cover. There may not even be enough for one month. Basically they underestimated how many people would apply. That's how out of touch this government is. Seems they have no knowledge of how their own job market and economy works. Many Thais I know live hand to mouth barely surviving. 

 

 

Edited April 15, 2020 by rkidlad

[Lacessit]

It seems to be quite haphazard, a neighbor of my GF got 5000 baht, she got nothing. Possibly there is an asset test operating, i.e. bank account balance. Some people in the village got it, others didn't.

My GF is keeping it simple, she just says Prayut is a liar.

[greg71]

According to the budget for this year 30 billion baht was given to a certain family , thats all that matters and not the minions at the the bottom of the pyramid .

[The Barmbeker]

Completely out of touch!

When they closed massages, bars, pubs and restaurants in Bangkok, it was already clear, that the amoungt of money that would have to be payed, will be gigantic.

But I have the feeling, it was never ment for these "lowlifes"!

 

[pagallim]

1 hour ago, Monomial said:

 

After reading this (with some help from Google in several places because my Thai sucks), this is my only thought:

 

I'm on record as hating Thaksin. He was a demagogue and horrible for Thailand. I truly loathe the man and didn't think anything could be worse for the country.

 

Bring back Thaksin.

I agree.    Was he completely blameless, no.   Did he have the best interests of the Thai people, yes.   What ever Thaksin did or did not do, the welfare, education and health of Thai people were important.   That is why they got rid of him, ordinary people saw what he was doing for them.

Edited April 15, 2020 by pagallim

[Monomial]

1 minute ago, pagallim said:

I agree.    Was he completely blameless, no.   Did he have the best interests of the Thai people, yes.   What ever Thaksin did or did not do, the welfare, education and health of Thai people were important.   That is why they got rid of him, ordinary people saw what he was doing for them.

 

"The best interests of the Thai people?" You are obviously a dreamer, and you missed the whole point. The only interests Thaksin ever had were his own. However, the harm he did is still less than what the current occupant is doing.

[anto]

5 hours ago, OneeyedJohn said:

This is exactly the same attitude the Amphur had when my wife and I went to apply for a yellow book. They insisted on having my father's name, and I said my father is dead, he never lived with me, he isn't on my birth certificate, he doesn't exist or never did exist in my life and I don't know his name .

They wouldn't accept that.

This childish mentality of these fukkkin beaurocrats where they have to tick every fukkkkin box pisssses me off.

You have to play their game .Just make up a name and details of your father .They will never know .I have that yellow book myself .

[DrTuner]

5 hours ago, OneeyedJohn said:

This is exactly the same attitude the Amphur had when my wife and I went to apply for a yellow book. They insisted on having my father's name, and I said my father is dead, he never lived with me, he isn't on my birth certificate, he doesn't exist or never did exist in my life and I don't know his name .

They wouldn't accept that.

 

There's a reason for that. They enter you into the Thai civil registration system, the name of the father is mandatory. If you don't know, just say "John Doe". They have to put something in there. As the result you get the ID number, which can then be used to get a pink card, since you're now in the system. 

 

In effect, it's your birth in the Thai system.

[samsensam]

5 hours ago, OneeyedJohn said:

This is exactly the same attitude the Amphur had when my wife and I went to apply for a yellow book. They insisted on having my father's name, and I said my father is dead, he never lived with me, he isn't on my birth certificate, he doesn't exist or never did exist in my life and I don't know his name .

They wouldn't accept that.

This childish mentality of these fukkkin beaurocrats where they have to tick every fukkkkin box pisssses me off.

 

if your going to live in thailand you need to play the system and not get stressed, they just want boxes filled, they are not going to check the quality of information, or even if they wanted to how could they? just write a name. it's like when you arrive at the airport and want a hotel address, i write any old thing, of course it's never checked.

[pagallim]

34 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

"The best interests of the Thai people?" You are obviously a dreamer, and you missed the whole point. The only interests Thaksin ever had were his own. However, the harm he did is still less than what the current occupant is doing.

You need to quote the harm.   On the plus side I can think of the 30 baht health care scheme, the privately funded Shinawatra University of Technology, and the various other schemes that got Thailand through the 1997 financial crisis.   Thaksin was a businessman with a social conscience.   He was also wealthy enough that he didn't have to kow tow to those who thought they were superior, and didn't give a toss about ordinary people.   The same happened to his sister.