16 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Really shouldn't be any difference in immigration policy at all considering illegal aliens are breaking the laws of the USA by being here. How that can be interpreted differently from person to person and party to party is beyond me. 

it's about the manner of enforcement e.g. forced family separation , processing of asylum seekers and so on. trump administrations enforcement rules are contrary to accepted international norms. Yes, i realise many trump supporters and others don't care about international Rule of Law, which is certainly underlined by trump still having Stephen Miller as a senior adviser. 

10 minutes ago, simple1 said:

it's about the manner of enforcement e.g. forced family separation , processing of asylum seekers and so on. trump administrations enforcement rules are contrary to accepted international norms. Yes, i realise many trump supporters and others don't care about international Rule of Law, which is certainly underlined by trump still having Stephen Miller as a senior adviser. 

 

Yeah and people like you don't care what it costs the taxpaying citizen to get your little fraudulent demographic shifting pet projects but there's a helluva alot of people that do care.

 

Blows my mind how a nations top politicians on the left have gone all in on campaigning for Non-Citizens and there are people who support it. 

26 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Yeah and people like you don't care what it costs the taxpaying citizen to get your little fraudulent demographic shifting pet projects but there's a helluva alot of people that do care.

 

Blows my mind how a nations top politicians on the left have gone all in on campaigning for Non-Citizens and there are people who support it. 

You're proving my point. Let go of the conspiracy and false personal accusations nonsense, it's one of the primary reasons why so many dislike trump & trying to engage with trump supporters.

12 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You're proving my point. Let go of the conspiracy and false personal accusations nonsense, it's one of the primary reasons why so many dislike trump & trying to engage with trump supporters.

 

To be frank, your positions are the ones that are fringe, not mine.

 

And I feel exactly the same about engaging with anyone on the left. 

2 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

To be frank, your positions are the ones that are fringe, not mine.

 

And I feel exactly the same about engaging with anyone on the left. 

I have not posted my 'positions' you're making up stuff - bye

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

I have not posted my 'positions' you're making up stuff - bye

 

Bye ????

On 4/22/2020 at 10:24 PM, JackThompson said:

If the policies being advocated are that doing anything to stop illegal immigration (like a wall) is immoral - and anyone in the country illegally can stay, get a drivers-license, open a bank-acct, get "free" healthcare citizens don't get, and take a job from a citizen, and get a "pathway to citizenship" without even going back home to apply - what else does one call that, other than "open borders"?

I think one calls that, "current U.S. immigration policy". Now that you have defined that, do you have any productive policy input? 

On 4/22/2020 at 7:25 AM, Slip said:

Really?  I had you down as smarter than that TBL.  I mean that NZ's decision is a short term reaction to a global pandemic and nothing whatsoever to do with immigration.  Quite the opposite of Trump's tub thumping anti-immigrant stance.

The US takes in, by far, more immigrants then any other country in the world and that is a fact. When is enough enough? Where does your country stand on accepting immigrants? I’ll bet its nowhere near what the US takes in every year, maybe you should worry more about your own country and less about ours. More Americans approve of Trump then disapprove and this will be reaffirmed come November. Hope you can take another 4 years.

5 hours ago, simple1 said:

Why not check current Dems policy rather than posting misinformation.

 

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/immigration-reform/

 

 

Oh, going to support the wall now, are they?

5 hours ago, simple1 said:

it's about the manner of enforcement e.g. forced family separation , processing of asylum seekers and so on. trump administrations enforcement rules are contrary to accepted international norms. Yes, i realise many trump supporters and others don't care about international Rule of Law, which is certainly underlined by trump still having Stephen Miller as a senior adviser. 

If illegals don't want to be separated, don't try and enter illegally. Is that too hard a concept to understand?

 

Indeed, Trump would get my vote if I could in the States BECAUSE he gives the finger to the establishment, which has never done anything for the less well off, other than exploiting them or using as cannon fodder.

 

contrary to accepted international norms

Accepted by whom? No one ever asked me.

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

one of the primary reasons why so many dislike trump & trying to engage with trump supporters.

Feel free not to engage with us, and not respond to our posts. You ain't going to change our minds; in fact probably the opposite.

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh, going to support the wall now, are they?

Self deleted as Off Topic - reminder to self don't take the bait to try and get me banned / suspended

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Feel free not to engage with us, <SNIP>

Self deleted as Off Topic - reminder to self don't take the bait to try and get me banned / suspended

11 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Self deleted as Off Topic - reminder to self don't take the bait to try and get me banned / suspended

Although we hold diametrically opposite opinions I would never "bait" you or anyone to try and get them to say something bad. Plenty on TVF that do that to me though.

Jai yen, it's just a forum, not the UN.

6 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Really shouldn't be any difference in immigration policy at all considering illegal aliens are breaking the laws of the USA by being here. How that can be interpreted differently from person to person and party to party is beyond me. 

Hahaha... so everything is just so obvious... no need for a supreme court then.

 

Interpretation of laws is a thing.

1 hour ago, Aland said:

The US takes in, by far, more immigrants then any other country in the world and that is a fact.

REALLY?

 

As a percentage of total population U.S.A. ranked 67th in 2015...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

Hahaha... so everything is just so obvious... no need for a supreme court then.

 

Illegal? You have to go back. 

 

Not hard at all. 

 

Seeking Asylum on the southern border? Stay on the Mexican side and apply like the law states, don't jump the border and then 'claim' asylum when caught. 

 

It really is that obvious, and written in law. 

 

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

As a percentage of total population U.S.A. ranked 67th in 2015...

 

And by total number we are in the top spot. What percentage of population has to do with anything is beyond me. Doesn't matter at all. 

 

Immigration should be strictly family based and in support of Americans, Americans companies and to the benefit of America, not a parasite that drains billions of dollars from taxpayer. 

 

Its just so obvious. 

35 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Illegal? You have to go back. 

 

Not hard at all. 

 

Seeking Asylum on the southern border? Stay on the Mexican side and apply like the law states, don't jump the border and then 'claim' asylum when caught. 

 

It really is that obvious, and written in law. 

 

 

And by total number we are in the top spot. What percentage of population has to do with anything is beyond me. Doesn't matter at all. 

 

Immigration should be strictly family based and in support of Americans, Americans companies and to the benefit of America, not a parasite that drains billions of dollars from taxpayer. 

 

Its just so obvious. 

In other words, if a country has say 20 million inhabitants and 10 million are immigrants, that would be have less impact on that nation than would be the case for a country with 300 million inhabitants of whom 20 million are immigrants? Do you really want to stick with your position?

In fact, you have it exactly backward. It's the percentage that counts, not the total. This is basic, basic math. In fact, it's basic arithmetic.

3 hours ago, Aland said:

The US takes in, by far, more immigrants then any other country in the world and that is a fact. When is enough enough? Where does your country stand on accepting immigrants? I’ll bet its nowhere near what the US takes in every year, maybe you should worry more about your own country and less about ours. More Americans approve of Trump then disapprove and this will be reaffirmed come November. Hope you can take another 4 years.

A reasonable comparison would be percentage of legal immigrant population. As an example, as a percentage of legal immigrant population, the USA is currently around 14%, whereas in Australia it's 29%. Don't know where you get your figures, but a credible source current shows trump approval rating at 43.6%, disapproval rating is 52.4%.

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

 

trump's Covid handling approval rating is also below 50% at 45.9%.

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-are-largely-unimpressed-with-trumps-handling-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

 

 

51 minutes ago, winslowsjardine said:

In other words, if a country has say 20 million inhabitants and 10 million are immigrants, that would be have less impact on that nation than would be the case for a country with 300 million inhabitants of whom 20 million are immigrants? Do you really want to stick with your position?

In fact, you have it exactly backward. It's the percentage that counts, not the total. This is basic, basic math. In fact, it's basic arithmetic.

 

Im sorry, when did it become some sort of requirement to have a certain amount of migrants, illegal aliens, refugees, and legal immigrants as per percentage of population? 

 

Its got nothing to do with percentage and everything to do with what the country needs. 

 

The USA takes in more than anyone, percentage of population means jack unless you're working on some sick demographic manipulation of a country. 

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Im sorry, when did it become some sort of requirement to have a certain amount of migrants, illegal aliens, refugees, and legal immigrants as per percentage of population? 

 

Its got nothing to do with percentage and everything to do with what the country needs. 

 

The USA takes in more than anyone, percentage of population means jack unless you're working on some sick demographic manipulation of a country. 

You have the revised trump reelection plan presentation:

Donald Trump set to fall back on xenophobia with re-election plan in tatters

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-set-fall-back-080008535.html

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

A reasonable comparison would be percentage of legal immigrant population. As an example, as a percentage of legal immigrant population, the USA is currently around 14%, whereas in Australia it's 29%. Don't know where you get your figures, but a credible source current shows trump approval rating at 43.6%, disapproval rating is 52.4%.

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

 

trump's Covid handling approval rating is also below 50% at 45.9%.

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-are-largely-unimpressed-with-trumps-handling-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

 

 

There you go putting a lick on Aland's reaffirming that trump win. Thanks

3 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Im sorry, when did it become some sort of requirement to have a certain amount of migrants, illegal aliens, refugees, and legal immigrants as per percentage of population? 

 

Its got nothing to do with percentage and everything to do with what the country needs. 

 

The USA takes in more than anyone, percentage of population means jack unless you're working on some sick demographic manipulation of a country. 

Well you DO have a point. The native Americans should have been much less welcoming.

On 4/21/2020 at 11:22 PM, Slip said:

Let us hope that the rest of the world immediately responds in kind.

So do I and hope they follow the usa,there are going to be hard times ahead and the West will simply be unable to afford their current expenditure to economic migration,and this isn,t racism it's simple arithmetic.

20 minutes ago, kingdong said:

So do I and hope they follow the usa,there are going to be hard times ahead and the West will simply be unable to afford their current expenditure to economic migration,and this isn,t racism it's simple arithmetic.

Because you believe that immigration represents a net cost to the usa? How do you know that?

1 minute ago, frenetic said:

Because you believe that immigration represents a net cost to the usa? How do you know that?

Did  I mention net cost to the usa?no,you did,stop trying to put words in my mouth and telling me what I believe,how do I know that? Didn,t say i did,if that's the best reply you can give to a post think long and hard before giving up the day job.

13 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Did  I mention net cost to the usa?no,you did,stop trying to put words in my mouth and telling me what I believe,how do I know that? Didn,t say i did,if that's the best reply you can give to a post think long and hard before giving up the day job.

Well, you did write this. 

"and the West will simply be unable to afford their current expenditure to economic migration"

So you're saying that migration is something that represents a net cost to the West? How do you know that?

 

4 hours ago, frenetic said:

Well, you did write this. 

"and the West will simply be unable to afford their current expenditure to economic migration"

So you're saying that migration is something that represents a net cost to the West? How do you know that?

 

Check out the amounts played out for benefits paid out for a start,there is also the high cost of health care,education,etc, etc you don,t get ,owt for nowt lad someone has to pay for it,and as a worker and a taxpayer that's me,say again,simple arithmetic

40 minutes ago, kingdong said:

My views come from personal experience,not pounding a keyboard.

Well..you are in very good company that's for sure!

58 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Oh, OK quoting a Republican research centre is "slant".

 

LOL you think that's a republican research center?