Phuket's dragonian lockdown

[Sharp]

 Based on the virus numbers in Thailand but in particular Phuket.

 

Ok understand there the highest outside BKK but active search measures are in place obviously leading to more cases.

 

What are your thoughts should nothing change come the 1st of May and the situation regarding lockdowns continue .

 

To me its way over the top looking at other countries actions based on numbers.

[Sujo]

Unless its safe then i hope those that think its over the top and dont adhere to the guidelines only come into contact with their own family so the rest of us can be safe.

 

do you really believe the numbers from the thai govt?

[Sharp]

Just now, Sujo said:

Unless its safe then i hope those that think its over the top and dont adhere to the guidelines only come into contact with their own family so the rest of us can be safe.

 

do you really believe the numbers from the thai govt?

Not sure to be honest

 

But all reports are now pointing to the fact that virus will be on par with normal Flu deaths.

 

So I feel as  safe as I do with Flu.

[Yankeesvsredsox]

I suppose if it was high season as opposed to rainy ,the decision makers might push for opening up! Don't get your hopes up for Phuket to make the cut . That's just my opinion

[Sharp]

3 minutes ago, Yankeesvsredsox said:

I suppose if it was high season as opposed to rainy ,the decision makers might push for opening up! Don't get your hopes up for Phuket to make the cut . That's just my opinion

Yeah thats my thoughts also.

Still doesn't make much sense personally

 

 

[DavisH]

Active case tracing is showing up more people who are infected but have no symptoms (or had not developed symptoms at the time of testing). This was reported in the press but also at a meeting my wife attended today in Nonthaburi (she works with the MoPH). So I think the 'lockdown' will contnue, especially in Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Puket, etc. 

[samsensam]

what about the dragon?!

[Sharp]

1 minute ago, samsensam said:

what about the dragon?!

looks like it'll still be around for another month..

[Sharp]

4 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Active case tracing is showing up more people who are infected but have no symptoms (or had not developed symptoms at the time of testing). This was reported in the press but also at a meeting my wife attended today in Nonthaburi (she works with the MoPH). So I think the 'lockdown' will contnue, especially in Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Puket, etc. 

 Yeah hopefully less restrictive tho.

[DaRoadrunner]

11 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Active case tracing is showing up more people who are infected but have no symptoms (or had not developed symptoms at the time of testing). This was reported in the press but also at a meeting my wife attended today in Nonthaburi (she works with the MoPH). So I think the 'lockdown' will contnue, especially in Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Puket, etc. 

No one believes the Thai Govt figures. Your inside access to information is most useful to all here. Please keep posting any news.

[daveAustin]

1 hour ago, samsensam said:

what about the dragon?!

'Dragonian' 

 

OTT unless they know something and the books and cooked. I would keep my head down if it does open up prematurely though. Having said that, the army might be being extra cautious because if they did open up and folk started dropping en-masse, it'd make them look bad and they can't have that.

[timendres]

30 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Having said that, the army might be being extra cautious because if they did open up and folk started dropping en-masse, it'd make them look bad and they can't have that.

Right, because otherwise they look great!

[schlog]

Demonstration of power paired with shift of power.

[Somtamnication]

The dragons took the GOT princess away. 

[Puchaiyank]

This pandemic has exposed the lack of quality and responsible leadership around the world...

 

Educators social design to make all people equal is finally reaping the consequences...moron are running the asylums...

 

Karma!

[Valentine]

3 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

This pandemic has exposed the lack of quality and responsible leadership around the world...

 

Educators social design to make all people equal is finally reaping the consequences...moron are running the asylums...

 

Karma!

Don't put us on the same level as those running the asylums

[Agusts]

Do you guys think this virus that has been here since Jan, and all throughout Feb, and also early March, when everything finally closed on 18 Mar, was not transmitting in the population and was just waiting for someone's permission to go ahead and start in mid March...!?!?

 

And you know it was here in Jan because they were catching a few infected Chinese at the airport and announcing it, while thousands more without symptoms getting through.

 

I know personally a few people with symptoms in Feb, one went to doctor and was told go home it's normal flu, with no test !

 

So virus was going around and even peaked already by the time of lockdown, it's now tailing off. For whatever reason,  it's just not as bad as Italy or NYC, don't know why, maybe temperature, maybe different strain, who knows, but not as bad..., imagine if it was bad, all hospitals on this small island would be overwhelmed and we would hear about it, no way to hide all that. Instead something like 50 or 60 people are still not fully recovered...! Not a single death , if you discount the bike accident case with broken spine...

 

Imagine all the bars, packed discos , malls and massage shops, it got around as much as it wanted for a good two months before lockdown. Now it's almost gone,  I bet half the population already had it, many with no symptoms or very mild ones...

 

Edited April 26, 2020 by Agusts

[timendres]

2 hours ago, Agusts said:

Imagine all the bars, packed discos , malls and massage shops, it got around as much as it wanted for a good two months before lockdown. Now it's almost gone,  I bet half the population already had it, many with no symptoms or very mild ones...

 

Do not know if 1/2 the population already had it, but it is very likely a lot more than this:

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On 24 April 2020 at 18:00, Thailand announced that 2,604 additional people met the criteria for PUI, raising the total to 50,390 PUI, as shown in Table 1.

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/situation.php

 

[Tarukhtah]

I am also interested in that door-to-door test that caches asymtomatics. They came to my place today and I saw how they made the test to everyone including me, and it was just a temperature check (same I am done every day few times when I go to 7-11). How is it possible that they catch the asymtomatics with that?

[Flying Clog]

What a load of <deleted>. Most of my mates had it, (what appears to now be the bat flu), in January and February.

 

Some of my mates had it pretty bad and actually went to the doctor! Couple of panadol and sent home. 

 

Let's not wreck the economy shall we?

 

Oops, to late. Thanks to the media, and our friends to north who caused this.

[Agusts]

It's like in Thailand they didn't mind or had any issues until suddenly all other countries in Europe and US got into trouble and lockdown, and these guys thought sh*t we have to do something or we look bad, just playing catch up, and too late...

 

Of course now as they didn't have high numbers to start with (well, official reported one), they have no idea how to end it - they say should have zero cases for 14 days to open, zero...! ? Who does that, we will have a few cases everywhere for years to come, unless they vaccinate everyone...., Spain and Italy are opening up, is it worse here....!!! ? 

 

 

Edited April 26, 2020 by Agusts

[Tarukhtah]

I also find odd, January, February... Chinese were admitted like there is no issue at all. But ok... I guess none wanted to damage tourism too much. Anyway... what's gonna happen with the lockdown in Phuket on May 1st? anyone knows?!

[xylophone]

20 hours ago, Agusts said:

it's just not as bad as Italy or NYC, don't know why, maybe temperature, maybe different strain, who knows

Perhaps the answer is in the stats posted regarding the age range of the deaths in Italy.......which for some reason I cannot seem to post/copy??

 

 Age 60 to 69 yrs = 11% and age 70 yrs and older = 84 %......so the oldies are being killed off in the main.

 

 

 

 

 

[Agusts]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Perhaps the answer is in the stats posted regarding the age range of the deaths in Italy.......which for some reason I cannot seem to post/copy??

 

 Age 60 to 69 yrs = 11% and age 70 yrs and older = 84 %......so the oldies are being killed off in the main.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the age may be a factor, and life expectancy,  and how the old population go out and about and caught this virus in numbers there. Maybe in here there are less old folks in general, and with pre-conditons (they probably die of their pre-condition due to, well, not have money or good/free health service to save them), and this age group get out less - again not being wealthy and stay at home. But of course they live with their kids more here who can give them the virus, as oppose to the west...! ? Who knows...

 

I think they will do a lot of research and PhD on these studies in the next few years...

 

[Psimbo]

What exactly is 'Draconian' about the Lockdown in PHUKET for a 'Farang' (other spellings are available for the Pedantic)?

 

I am not chained down inside my house, I had the foresight to get some beer in, I am able to exercise within the sub-district whilst distancing myself from others and have had no issues with food supply. Last week I had a legitimate reason to go to Phuket Town and, passing through 10 checkpoints in total, had no issues at any one of them. Yes, I have to be indoors from 2200-0400 but so what? Try the Philippines- you'll get shot for being out at the wrong time. 

 

The current situation for Thais is a different story but still not from a lockdown point of view. Many are suffering financially but some of those in the food queues are there out of WANT not NEED. I have seen a number of people I know who are not in need of assistance in a couple of queues- it's just wrong. There's a lot of selflessness out there at the moment bu there's a lot of selfishness as well.

[Sharp]

47 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

What exactly is 'Draconian' about the Lockdown in PHUKET for a 'Farang' (other spellings are available for the Pedantic)?

 

I am not chained down inside my house, I had the foresight to get some beer in, I am able to exercise within the sub-district whilst distancing myself from others and have had no issues with food supply. Last week I had a legitimate reason to go to Phuket Town and, passing through 10 checkpoints in total, had no issues at any one of them. Yes, I have to be indoors from 2200-0400 but so what? Try the Philippines- you'll get shot for being out at the wrong time. 

 

The current situation for Thais is a different story but still not from a lockdown point of view. Many are suffering financially but some of those in the food queues are there out of WANT not NEED. I have seen a number of people I know who are not in need of assistance in a couple of queues- it's just wrong. There's a lot of selflessness out there at the moment bu there's a lot of selfishness as well.

Ok so we obviously we disagree no problem .

Based on the numbers being blurted out everyday you think closing of the Tambons ( Phuket only) is a rational response ..Note..(YOU had to pass 10 Checkpoints says it all)

Overkill at it's finest without doubt..

Maybe you got through with ease driving a car pictured in your profile ( Not rocket science to see the conection  lol...Unless you like police cars ).

SO you actually agree with my issue but for selected groups only ..nuff said..

Theres slot of selfishness out there. 

 

[moose7117]

look at the number of infected and dead against population in Thailand and then do the comparison with USA,Italy & Spain.

 

Thailand has done exceptionally well in containing this virus(Bat Flu) and if the Government chooses to continue the current measures to try to keep the death toll low, well then good on them.

 

The chances of catching CORONAVIRUS in Thailand are extremely low at the moment and this is because of the las that they have enforced.

 

And remember this is a kingdom, governed by a military government so what we or the average Thai wants does not matter.

 

like it or go home !

[Psimbo]

16 hours ago, Sharp said:

Ok so we obviously we disagree no problem .

Based on the numbers being blurted out everyday you think closing of the Tambons ( Phuket only) is a rational response ..Note..(YOU had to pass 10 Checkpoints says it all)

Overkill at it's finest without doubt..

Maybe you got through with ease driving a car pictured in your profile ( Not rocket science to see the conection  lol...Unless you like police cars ).

SO you actually agree with my issue but for selected groups only ..nuff said..

Theres slot of selfishness out there. 

 

Closing sub-districts is about controlling access to sub-districts. Draconian would be completely sealing off districts- which is not happening. There are justifiable reasons (as were mine) for having to pass through and I was checked at each one- no problems with that.

 

Given the recent outbreaks in Bang Tao the restrictions are a rational response and is the reason I chose to go via Patong, which had not had a registered case for a number of days by the time I went. I toyed with the idea of going to Makro but that would have defeated my personal choice just to do what I had to do and get back- others have not been applying the same moral compass.

 

Food, ambulances, essential workers, etc still needs to get around the island but by controlling access the amount of moment is significantly minimised as people are deterred in travelling.  If that's what you class as selected groups so be it- they are being checked, not just racing willy-nilly about the place. Its the same with the curfew- a few idiots are going to break it but with the MAJORITY of the population complying it cuts down on the peoential for spreading things.

 

What I object to is histrionic over reactions (not pointing the finger at you- just commenting on a number of posters in general throughout the Forums). Personally I would have used a less dramatic word that Draconian but as you say above- each to their own. 

 

Still looking for Dragons. ????

[Agusts]

@Psimbo You must be joking about being checked at checkpoints...! Getting your temperature is a check for this virus...!!! ? As everyone knows by now there is a large percentage of infected people with no symptoms,  no fever, no cough, that's been the main issue,  where have you been, maybe comedown your ivory tower and see what's going on...!

 

Draconian it is, just s few days ago the police, volunteers and even so called farang tourist police stopping people in Patong who were waking or running , telling them you are not allowed to exercise outside, go and do it at home....!!! , even it made the news and Patong mayor had to comment on it, kind of a spin ....

 

Phuket is the only province with this "draconian"  sub-district restriction in whole of Thailand... , good for you to somehow freely go through all of them with your police car.... ! lol

 

And no, we don't have room to pile up beer in our condos, lucky for you and your foresight and big warehouse...

 

And read this below to see what really spread the virus, this poor woman was sick as a dodo on 6 Apr, but only diagnosed on 27 Apr, total incompetent in quarantining her, seem they let her go and she had to come back 3 times, with all their search for the infected, how many people she infected in this time...!? And they make all these restrictions for the rest of us...

 

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"Case 211. A Thai woman, 47, who looked after grandchildren at her home in Koh Kaew. The woman became ill, with coughing, on Apr 6 and presented herself for medical treatment at her local health promotion hospital (clinic). On Apr 15, still ill, she presented herself at Vachira Phuket Hospital. X-rays of her lungs were normal, but she still had symptoms of infection. She had a fever, was coughing and felt tired. She returned to Vachira Phuket Hospital on Apr 27. Officers are investigating how she became infected. It was not reported how many people had high risk exposure to this woman."

 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Agusts

[KarenBravo]

15 minutes ago, Agusts said:

@Psimbo You must be joking about being checked at checkpoints...! Getting your temperature is a check for this virus...!!! ? As everyone knows by now there is a large percentage of infected people with no symptoms,  no fever, no cough, that's been the main issue,  where have you been, maybe comedown your ivory tower and see what's going on...!

 

Draconian it is, just s few days ago the police, volunteers and even so called farang tourist police stopping people in Patong who were waking or running , telling them you are not allowed to exercise outside, go and do it at home....!!! , even it made the news and Patong mayor had to comment on it, kind of a spin ....

 

Phuket is the only province with this "draconian"  sub-district restriction in whole of Thailand... , good for you to somehow freely go through all of them with your police car.... ! lol

 

And no, we don't have room to pile up beer in our condos, lucky for you and your foresight and big warehouse...

 

And read this below to see what really spread the virus, this poor woman was sick as a dodo on 6 Apr, but only diagnosed on 27 Apr, total incompetent in quarantining her, seem they let her go and she had to come back 3 times, with all their search for the infected, how many people she infected in this time...!? And they make all these restrictions for the rest of us...

 

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"Case 211. A Thai woman, 47, who looked after grandchildren at her home in Koh Kaew. The woman became ill, with coughing, on Apr 6 and presented herself for medical treatment at her local health promotion hospital (clinic). On Apr 15, still ill, she presented herself at Vachira Phuket Hospital. X-rays of her lungs were normal, but she still had symptoms of infection. She had a fever, was coughing and felt tired. She returned to Vachira Phuket Hospital on Apr 27. Officers are investigating how she became infected. It was not reported how many people had high risk exposure to this woman."

 

 

 

You first say that there are asymptomatic people who are infected and show no signs of infection, which is great reason why the lock-down has to be strict. Then, you describe the lock-down as a joke.

 

Maybe you should spend some time thinking things through.