Trump threatens new tariffs on China as U.S. mulls retaliatory action over virus

[yogi100]

41 minutes ago, Sujo said:

It is not man made so stop with the conspiracy. Even trumps own agencies say its not man made.

 

The US didnr get it from the chinese, they got it because trump allowed flights in from europe.

 

 

If it is not man made where did it come from?

[riclag]

China needs to be accountable ,The attention shouldn't  be on  the POTUS ! It should be on China for spreading this virus ,while  184 countries were being devastated, because of them ,in allowing their citizens to travel around the world ! Oh, and a special shout out to the folks at the WHO,they have been   praising china ,while recommending to the world to not restrict travel and trade! IMOP The POTUS needs to slam both of these players at the same time! 

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

<Snip>IMOP The POTUS needs to slam both of these players at the same time! 

He did that, but with his own failings here it came back to himself like a hammerblow.

[xylophone]

34 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

If it is not man made where did it come from?

Zoonotic diseases, such as corona virus types are caused by pathogens which originate in other animal species. Some diseases, such as rabies, cause sporadic outbreaks, often self-contained but deadly and traumatising for the communities they infect. Others manage to spread worldwide and become pandemic, circulating in the global population. Some are repeat offenders that re-emerge from animal hosts in a mutated form every few decades – think influenza, plague and cholera.

[yogi100]

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Zoonotic diseases, such as corona virus types are caused by pathogens which originate in other animal species. Some diseases, such as rabies, cause sporadic outbreaks, often self-contained but deadly and traumatising for the communities they infect. Others manage to spread worldwide and become pandemic, circulating in the global population. Some are repeat offenders that re-emerge from animal hosts in a mutated form every few decades – think influenza, plague and cholera.

There are wet markets in every country in the world selling fresh produce daily.

 

When has a virus as severe as this one ever been traced to any of the planet's tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of markets that are open every day in all five continents?

 

Especially one that by a remarkable coincidence is located in the same town as a biological warfare testing facility. Do you not think it possible that it's a cover up?

 

An authoritarian regime does not care what outsiders think and it's own citizens are not allowed to think. Thousands of Chinese people were gunned down on that day in Tiananmen Square for giving voice to their thoughts.

 

Most of us in the free world do not believe a single word that is uttered by the dictators who run China.

[ChouDoufu]

2 hours ago, yogi100 said:

If it is not man made where did it come from?

many of these viruses come from critters.

 

remember the hantavirus scare in the usa in '93?  mice.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/outbreaks/history.html

 

 

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, yogi100 said:

There are wet markets in every country in the world selling fresh produce daily.

 

When has a virus as severe as this one ever been traced to any of the planet's tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of markets that are open every day in all five continents?

 

Especially one that by a remarkable coincidence is located in the same town as a biological warfare testing facility. Do you not think it possible that it's a cover up?

 

An authoritarian regime does not care what outsiders think and it's own citizens are not allowed to think. Thousands of Chinese people were gunned down on that day in Tiananmen Square for giving voice to their thoughts.

 

Most of us in the free world do not believe a single word that is uttered by the dictators who run China.

You asked: "If it is not man made where did it come from?"

 

And I replied: transmission from an animal carrying the virus.

 

And there are "wet markets" and wet markets and many trap, butcher and sell what is also known as "bush meat", not to mention many exotic and wild species that many other nationalities wouldn't consider/dream of eating.

 

As an example, the Ebola virus infected a scientist after she was carrying out a necropsy on a dead monkey, and there are many monkeys living in the Philippines who are infected with Ebola and many other outbreaks of Ebola from primates have been recorded.

 

Similarly with HIV which was (as far as is known) also transmitted from primates to humans, usually by another host therefore causing a mutation to occur.

 

That was the basis of my reply and I wasn't really going into what you thought of the Chinese or how oppressed they were, or how much they lied, because it wasn't what you asked.
 

 

[muzley]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

He did not stop flights from China and Europe. Just look how many entered after his 'stop' and the quarantine restrictions they faced.

The only people who flew in after the bans were repatriated US citizens.

[metisdead]

14 minutes ago, stevenl said:

He did not stop flights from China and Europe. Just look how many entered after his 'stop' and the quarantine restrictions they faced.

 

 

You missed this topic from March 12, 2020 then:

 

 

[ChouDoufu]

i'm sure national disease centers in many countries are going over previous unexplained respiratory illnesses and deaths.  expect they'll get around to sequencing samples from the vaping deaths beginning april of 2019, with clusters in the us, a few in canada, but nowhere else vaping was popular.  attributed to toxins from the product.  seems strange it wouldn't be more widespread, but could be contaminated shipments to certain areas.

 

Patients afflicted with the illness typically have showed up in emergency rooms with shortness of breath after several days of flulike symptoms, including high fever.

In an especially severe case in Utah, a 21-year-old man had such serious lung damage that even a ventilator could not provide enough breathing help. Doctors had to connect him to a machine that pumped oxygen directly into his bloodstream to keep him alive.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/06/health/third-death-vaping-related-disease.html

 

[metisdead]

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[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, metisdead said:

 

 

You missed this topic from March 12, 2020 then:

 

 

Did not miss it but look at details. From China alone 40,000 people arrived in US after the 'ban', many from mainland Europe traveled to UK and flew from there before ban from there was implemented. And on arrival quite often no screening at all.

 

So 'ban' sounds nice, but it really did not work out to be a ban.

Edited May 2, 2020 by stevenl

[candide]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Did not miss it but look at details. From China alone 40,000 people arrived in US after the 'ban', many from mainland Europe traveled to UK and flew from there before ban from there was implemented.

 

So 'ban' sounds nice, but it really did not work out to be a ban.

On top of it, the European partial travel ban was decided on March 12. As the outburst already occurred before this date, it probably did not have much effect.

[xylophone]

23 minutes ago, metisdead said:

 

 

You missed this topic then:

 

 

And you missed these facts:

 

--The trump administration was warned about health risks of this virus in early January, but trump never took any action on it, and others in the administration were frustrated at his refusal to act.

 

--And it was calculated that at least 430,000 people arrived in the United States on direct flights from China since Jan. 1, including nearly 40,000 in the two months after Trump imposed restrictions. Furthermore, screening proceedings of travellers from China were uneven and inconsistent, and in addition, a statement from Mike Pence puts this into perspective when he said that the Feb. 29 travel warning was just an advisory!!! 

 

Face it......he was slow to react and it has cost US lives.

Edited May 2, 2020 by xylophone

[metisdead]

And then on March 15:

 

 

 

Now, let's get back on topic to this topic which is:

 

Trump threatens new tariffs on China as U.S. mulls retaliatory action over virus

 

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday his hard-fought trade deal with China was now of secondary importance to the coronavirus pandemic and he threatened new tariffs on Beijing, as his administration crafted retaliatory measures over the outbreak.

 

Trump's sharpened rhetoric against China reflected his growing frustration with Beijing over the pandemic, which has cost tens of thousands of lives in the United States alone, sparked an economic contraction and threatened his chances of re-election in November.

[metisdead]

1 minute ago, xylophone said:

And you missed these facts:

 

--The trump administration was warned about health risks of this virus in early January, but trump never took any action on it, and others in the administration were frustrated at his refusal to act.

 

--And it was calculated that at least 430,000 people arrived in the United States on direct flights from China since Jan. 1, including nearly 40,000 in the two months after Trump imposed restrictions. Furthermore, screening proceedings of travellers from China were uneven and inconsistent, furthermore a statement from Mike Pence puts this into perspective when he said that the Feb. 29 travel warning was just an advisory!!! 

 

Face it......he was slow to react and it has cost US lives.

 

Now, let's get back on topic to this topic which is:

 

Trump threatens new tariffs on China as U.S. mulls retaliatory action over virus

 

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday his hard-fought trade deal with China was now of secondary importance to the coronavirus pandemic and he threatened new tariffs on Beijing, as his administration crafted retaliatory measures over the outbreak.

 

Trump's sharpened rhetoric against China reflected his growing frustration with Beijing over the pandemic, which has cost tens of thousands of lives in the United States alone, sparked an economic contraction and threatened his chances of re-election in November.

 

[rabas]

25 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

i'm sure national disease centers in many countries are going over previous unexplained respiratory illnesses and deaths.  expect they'll get around to sequencing samples from the vaping deaths beginning april of 2019, with clusters in the us, a few in canada, but nowhere else vaping was popular.  attributed to toxins from the product.  seems strange it wouldn't be more widespread, but could be contaminated shipments to certain areas.

 

Patients afflicted with the illness typically have showed up in emergency rooms with shortness of breath after several days of flulike symptoms, including high fever.

In an especially severe case in Utah, a 21-year-old man had such serious lung damage that even a ventilator could not provide enough breathing help. Doctors had to connect him to a machine that pumped oxygen directly into his bloodstream to keep him alive.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/06/health/third-death-vaping-related-disease.html

 

Wrong disease, this hit young people.

 

What we need to address is the global disinformation pandemic. That may save even more lives.

[ChouDoufu]

16 minutes ago, metisdead said:

 

Now, let's get back on topic to this topic which is:

 

Trump threatens new tariffs on China as U.S. mulls retaliatory action over virus

 

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday his hard-fought trade deal with China was now of secondary importance to the coronavirus pandemic and he threatened new tariffs on Beijing, as his administration crafted retaliatory measures over the outbreak.

 

Trump's sharpened rhetoric against China reflected his growing frustration with Beijing over the pandemic, which has cost tens of thousands of lives in the United States alone, sparked an economic contraction and threatened his chances of re-election in November.

 

what effect will new and improved tariffs have?   the world economy, the us economy included, is not expected to improve significantly for some time.  imports to the us from china should be lower than normal from the depressed trade, as well as from the first phase of the trade war.  add boycotts of chinese goods by us consumers, and the effect of higher tariffs will be minimal.

 

tariffs, paid by the american consumer, won't have much economic effect, but will allow trump to claim he's harder on china than old joe.

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

many of these viruses come from critters.

 

remember the hantavirus scare in the usa in '93?  mice.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/outbreaks/history.html

 

 

I've never actually heard of it.

 

CV19 is a tad more serious than some Mickey Mouse Hantavirus. The Coronavirus is international and may possibly claim hundreds of thousands or maybe a million or more lives.

 

Like many world leaders Trump suspects that this virus is deadly serious and could have been released on purpose.

 

Seeing as the US election will be held this year and in view of the trade problems between China and other countries many folk  may share those suspicions and think this is a move to discredit DT before November.

 

Do you not think it all seems a bit iffy when the Chinese won't allow the WHO to visit the Wuhan facility to look into the matter thoroughly when the virus is affecting the whole world? Many people do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by yogi100

[yogi100]

55 minutes ago, xylophone said:

You asked: "If it is not man made where did it come from?"

 

And I replied: transmission from an animal carrying the virus.

 

And there are "wet markets" and wet markets and many trap, butcher and sell what is also known as "bush meat", not to mention many exotic and wild species that many other nationalities wouldn't consider/dream of eating.

 

As an example, the Ebola virus infected a scientist after she was carrying out a necropsy on a dead monkey, and there are many monkeys living in the Philippines who are infected with Ebola and many other outbreaks of Ebola from primates have been recorded.

 

Similarly with HIV which was (as far as is known) also transmitted from primates to humans, usually by another host therefore causing a mutation to occur.

 

That was the basis of my reply and I wasn't really going into what you thought of the Chinese or how oppressed they were, or how much they lied, because it wasn't what you asked.
 

 

I brought up the matter of oppression and how much they lied because of the threat this Coronavirus presents and how we desperately need to hear the truth about how it appeared.

[Traubert]

4 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

I've never actually heard of it.

 

CV19 is a tad more serious than some Mickey Mouse Hantavirus. The Coronavirus is international and may possibly claim hundreds of thousands or maybe a million or more lives.

 

Like many world leaders Trump suspects that this virus is deadly serious and could have been released on purpose.

 

Seeing as the US election will be held this year and in view of the trade problems between China and other countries many folk  may share those suspicions and think this is a move to discredit DT before November.

 

Do you not think it all seems a bit iffy when the Chinese won't allow the WHO to visit the Wuhan facility look into the matter thoroughly when the virus is affecting the whole world? Many people do.

Put down the shovel and go and have lie down.

 

Despite everything, and however you view it, Mr Trump has bitten off more than he can chew this time. Cant even bomb it.

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, yogi100 said:

I brought up the matter of oppression and how much they lied because of the threat this Coronavirus presents and how we desperately need to hear the truth about how it appeared.

There are indications it is manmade and there are indications it evolved naturally. Imo indications for the latter are much stronger, but that can be a difference of opinion. 

But a conclusion either way is not yet justified.

[yogi100]

6 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Put down the shovel and go and have lie down.

 

Despite everything, and however you view it, Mr Trump has bitten off more than he can chew this time. Cant even bomb it.

What are you talking about and why the 'lie down' remarks?

 

Trump is standing up for the Western world against a communist dictatorship who may possibly have unleashed a lethal disease upon us all. Including yourself.

 

Would you say the same thing if Obama was still in the WH and having to deal with what is now an international crisis?

[rabas]

16 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

Like many world leaders Trump suspects that this virus is deadly serious and could have been released on purpose.

It does not need to have been released on purpose to be a biological weapon. Only for China to use it for strategic, economic, or military purpose. I think the answer will become clear soon enough.  You can almost see which it is through the fog and haze of rampant disinformation already. 

 

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by rabas

[yogi100]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

There are indications it is manmade and there are indications it evolved naturally. Imo indications for the latter are much stronger, but that can be a difference of opinion. 

But a conclusion either way is not yet justified.

If this virus was not man made then given the serious nature of the matter the CCP should be only too eager to allow the WHO to search the Wuhan facility leaving no stone unturned. They should insist on the WHO doing a thorough investigation of the place.

 

But they're not.

 

It's easier and more convenient to insist the blame lies with a food market a few miles down the road in a huge country just a tad (2%) smaller than the USA!

 

I dunno about you but I for one think that's more than just a little bit fishy.

[Crazy Alex]

Obviously, China is responsible for starting this mess. In the real world, real people believe in holding bad actors responsible. Of course China should be punished. They owe us trillions of dollars for their incompetence. And it's not the first time. Oh and we can only hope it was incompetence.

[candide]

6 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

If this virus was not man made then given the serious nature of the matter the CCP should be only too eager to allow the WHO to search the Wuhan facility leaving no stone unturned. They should insist on the WHO doing a thorough investigation of the place.

 

But they're not.

 

It's easier and more convenient to insist the blame lies with a food market a few miles down the road in a huge country just a tad (2%) smaller than the USA!

 

I dunno about you but I for one think that's more than just a little bit fishy.

China would not allow invasive investigations on any matter.

[KhaoYai]

6 hours ago, yogi100 said:

A lot of people hate Trump because he's a relief from politically correctness. He tells things as they are and how many others see them especially immigration issues. Liberals hate that.

Tells things as they are? He has no bloody idea how things are! Immigration? The USA is a country of immigrants - including Trump's wife and her parents! Manifestly hypocritical - no doubt you have a different take on that, Trump supporters always do.

 

As I said earlier - it doesn't seem to matter what Teflon Trump does, his supporters stay with him.  I'd like to think that's just misguided loyalty but I don't think it is in this case - perhaps it shows just how many more biggotted, nationalist lunatics exist in the USA?

 

I could probably list hundreds of matters where he has definitely not told things as they are - but would you listen?  Not a hope - and that's the problem.

 

Let me guess, you also think climate change is a hoax?

 

Trump - 'The concept of Global Warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non competitive'.

 

He's simply obsessed with China! If he attacked China and stuck to factual things like their human rights record or copyright issues, he might get more support worldwide.

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, KhaoYai said:

Tells things as they are? He has no bloody idea how things are! Immigration? The USA is a country of immigrants - including Trump's wife and her parents! Manifestly hypocritical - no doubt you have a different take on that, Trump supporters always do.

 

As I said earlier - it doesn't seem to matter what Teflon Trump does, his supporters stay with him.  I'd like to think that's just misguided loyalty but I don't think it is in this case - perhaps it shows just how many more biggotted, nationalist lunatics exist in the USA?

 

I could probably list hundreds of matters where he has definitely not told things as they are - but would you listen?  Not a hope - and that's the problem.

 

Let me guess, you also think climate change is a hoax?

 

Trump - 'The concept of Global Warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non competitive'.

 

He's simply obsessed with China! If he attacked China and stuck to factual things like their human rights record or copyright issues, he might get more support worldwide.

The issue is mostly ILLEGAL immigration. Any country can and should control immigration. For some reason, when the US does it, people are up in arms.

[KhaoYai]

4 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

The issue is mostly ILLEGAL immigration. Any country can and should control immigration. For some reason, when the US does it, people are up in arms.

Teflon Trump - I rest my case your honour.