WHO does a 180, now lauds Swedish model

[steelepulse]

Plenty of news links about this now.

 

https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-update-who-praises-sweden-resisting-lockdown-despite-growing-covid-19-2967717

 

Some quotes from various links I found in google news.

"  Sweden's approach was still lauded by the World Health Organization (WHO). Surprisingly, WHO has praised Sweden as a “model” for battling COVID-19. 

Dr Mike Ryan, the WHO’s top emergencies expert, said Wednesday there are “lessons to be learned” from the Scandinavian nation, which has largely relied on citizens to self-regulate.

“I think there’s a perception out that Sweden has not put in control measures and just has allowed the disease to spread,” Ryan told reporters, according to The New York Post. “Nothing can be further from the truth.”

“Ryan noted that instead of lockdowns, the country has ‘put in place a very strong public policy around social distancing, around caring and protecting people in long term care facilities,'” the Post noted.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by steelepulse

[thaibeachlovers]

No need for me to do a 180, as I've supported the Swedish model since I found out about it.

I think most of us will come to envy them.

[smutcakes]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No need for me to do a 180, as I've supported the Swedish model since I found out about it.

I think most of us will come to envy them.

Envy them that they have the space, wealth, economic set up to do this. Many countries/people do not have this option. They cannot separate, work from home. How did the relatively relaxed Singapore model work out for the migrant workers?

[Denim]

The World Humbug Organization does another volte face. Getting used to it by now. Their bad advice up until now has without doubt cost lives.

[SteveK]

It's amazing that anyone is paying attention to the WHO any more. They have proven themselves to be completely corrupt, incompetent and irrelevant.

[offset]

Deaths of 256 per million population and 17500 still active cases (only 1000 recoveries) does not seem very good to me need to wait to see the final outcome before we know what country did good or bad

[sirineou]

 Sweden is a homogeneous , educated, law abiding country with 10 million people , nearly half the size of New york city. 

Try implementing the Swedish system  with a population of 331 million, consisting of many Alabamastans and some of  these retards for citizens

  

Edited May 1, 2020 by sirineou

[chessman]

Plenty to praise the Swedes for, they’ve also increased the number of sick days you can take without seeing a doctor from 7 to 21 and removed the rule that you don’t get paid for the 1st day if you are off sick for a period of time.

there is also a lot of self-decipline, The most popular areas for domestic tourism had 96% less visitors during the Easter holidays this year, despite there being no laws to prevent travelling.

 

but praising ‘strong social policy’ around Sweden is NOT doing a 180. It is of course possible to praise aspects of a system without thinking the whole thing is successful.

 

[geriatrickid]

Sweden's approach changed and the WHO comments are in respect to the changes that Sweden put into place. It is Sweden that effected a major change in policy  once it became evident that Sweden had one of the highest death rates in Europe for its region and that its original strategy was not protecting the population. Sweden's brilliant initial strategy has given it  a death rate of close to 140 per million.  Finland, which embraced a stricter social distancing policy is at 15.  As New Zealand has shown, strict social distancing in  small population countries  works. New Zealand did not allow a  massive kill off of its citizens and the population will not be  plagued by chronic health conditions due to the long lasting secondary damage associated with Covid19.   Next door Norway used  significantly tougher measures and kept its death rate per million under 30.

WHO is praising the measures taken by Sweden last month that included; Prohibition of public gatherings of more than 50 people with stiff penalties for non compliance,  and more testing and tracking of infections. As the elderly started to die, Sweden put into a place a no visitors policy  as of April 1, at old age  residences. It has also recommended staying home and not going to restaurants or bars.  The educated are following that guidance.

 

I do not know how anyone can call Sweden's population homogeneous when 25%  is composed of non Swedish ethnic groups.  The fact is that Sweden  has  a growing ethical crisis on its hand as the overwhelming number of seriously ill and dead, aside from the elderly,  are from visible  ethnic groups. Unlike other countries such as the UK, Germany, Canada, USA Sweden made little effort to educate its poorer, less educated ethnic community.    Do not misinterpret the WHO's   attempt to encourage the Swedish changes as an endorsement of Sweden's failed strategy.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by geriatrickid

[yuyiinthesky]

42 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

the WHO's   attempt to encourage the Swedish changes as an endorsement of Sweden's failed strategy.

 

Sweden has not failed. Not at all. 

With the lockdown caused economic crisis worsening everywhere else it is getting more obvious every day that Sweden's strategy is not wrong, not failing.

[Rancid]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

 Sweden is a homogeneous , educated, law abiding country with 10 million people , nearly half the size of New york city. 

Try implementing the Swedish system  with a population of 331 million, consisting of many Alabamastans and some of  these retards for citizens

  

Is it helpful or perhaps a tad arrogant to attack anyone that has a differing viewpoint? This typically comes from the Chardonnay Set, and is really just an aristocratic leftover of trying to feel superior by denigrating the peasant class. Higher evolution lies in how we treat others and not with the sharpness of our tongues.

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Rancid said:

Is it helpful or perhaps a tad arrogant to attack anyone that has a differing viewpoint? This typically comes from the Chardonnay Set, and is really just an aristocratic leftover of trying to feel superior by denigrating the peasant class. Higher evolution lies in how we treat others and not with the sharpness of our tongues.

The above applies to everyone including the guys with the assault rifles, but does little to discredit the argument I made. 

[chessman]

8 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:

With the lockdown caused economic crisis worsening everywhere else

If you think the economic situation in Sweden is not worsening too then you are not thinking very carefully about the situation.

[White Christmas13]

Sweden has less than half of Australia's population

Australia has about 6700 cases and 84 deaths

compare this with Sweden.

[yuyiinthesky]

5 minutes ago, chessman said:

If you think the economic situation in Sweden is not worsening too then you are not thinking very carefully about the situation.

Of course it is, Sweden depends on the International economy, on exports, and if the world is going down it affects Sweden too.

However many businesses in Sweden are not closed and therefore much less affected than elsewhere, especially the small and medium enterprises.

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

6 hours ago, steelepulse said:

Sweden's approach was still lauded by the World Health Organization (WHO). Surprisingly, WHO has praised Sweden as a “model” for battling COVID-19. 

If you watch the video though, that's absolutely NOT what the guy is saying. He says quite clearly that Sweden could serve as a "future model" for how countries could develop their policies going forward as they start to come out of their lockdown measures.

[rumak]

If anyone would like to know exactly how the 2 party political system works ,  just study the

replies  made by the two opposing sides on all the Covid  topics. 

 

and hey,  just found a quote that fit my way of thinking.   I was surprised that there was some

other guy who had the same ( crazy, tin foil hat,  misinformed)  idea that i have .

Wow...... look at who that was !!    

[MikeyIdea]

7 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

 

Sweden has not failed. Not at all. 

With the lockdown caused economic crisis worsening everywhere else it is getting more obvious every day that Sweden's strategy is not wrong, not failing.

In terms of deaths per 100,000 inhabitants, Swedens mortality rate is among the highest in the world. This despite the fact that population density is very low.

 

Statistics show something very different from what you say

Edited May 1, 2020 by MikeyIdea

[MikeyIdea]

6 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

If you watch the video though, that's absolutely NOT what the guy is saying. He says quite clearly that Sweden could serve as a "future model" for how countries could develop their policies going forward as they start to come out of their lockdown measures.

Yes absolutely. 

I just watched how Swedish media lied and reported that WHO praised the Swedish model, deliberately leaving out the most important part, that they were talking about the future, not the present. 

 

China couldn't have done it better 

[MikeyIdea]

7 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Of course it is, Sweden depends on the International economy, on exports, and if the world is going down it affects Sweden too.

However many businesses in Sweden are not closed and therefore much less affected than elsewhere, especially the small and medium enterprises.

 

Not much less, only less. Its only because the population is so low that the unemployed aren't counted in the millions. Bankruptcies are everywhere here too

Edited May 1, 2020 by MikeyIdea

[geriatrickid]

10 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Sweden has not failed. Not at all. 

With the lockdown caused economic crisis worsening everywhere else it is getting more obvious every day that Sweden's strategy is not wrong, not failing.

What has been stated is that the initial Swedish strategy failed and that the  changes Sweden implemented were  praised. You are confusing your assumption with the reality. Do you know what the reality is?

 

1. Economic damage that is just as bad if not WORSE than other European countries which had lockdowns. This past week, Sweden’s central bank, the Riksbank, provided two possible scenarios for the economic outlook in 2020, which it said “depend on how long the spread of infection continues and on how long the restrictions implemented to slow it down are in place.”

Scenario A:  GDP falls by 6.9% in 2020, unemployment rate  8.8%

Scenario B:  GDP falls by 9.7% in 2020, Unemployment rate 10.1%

 

For comparison sake, the IMF projection of GDP reduction for lockdown countries is;

Germany - 6.5% ; UK - 7% , France - 7.2% contraction, Spain - 8% contraction Italy - 9.1%.  More  appropriate comparisons are with Finland  - 6% and  Denmark - 6.5%

 

2. A Death rate  which will soon become one of the highest in Europe.

 

3 The  creation of a population with chronic illnesses that could have been prevented. And yes, Covid19 infections leave chronic or long lasting damage.

 

Now please come back and tell us why Sweden's initial strategy was a success. Please provide examples in respect to the economic and public health indicators. Give us facts and not your imagined  outcome. 

 

Sweden's top infectious disease experts condemned the initial government strategy and it is because of their courageous decision to take on quackery and assumptions that were not based on medical fact that the public health strategy in Sweden changed. The initial Swedish strategy condemned  hundreds to an early death that was easily avoided. Lock down countries Denmark and Finland have delivered outcomes better than Sweden.

Edited May 1, 2020 by geriatrickid

[yuyiinthesky]

8 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

2. A Death rate  which will soon become one of the highest in Europe.

Where did you buy your crystal ball?

[yuyiinthesky]

9 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

3 The  creation of a population with chronic illnesses that could have been prevented. And yes, Covid19 infections leave chronic or long lasting damage.

You seem not to understand that all the lockdowns are not to contain or eliminate the infections, far too late for that, but to flatten the curve.

 

So whatever the strategy is, lockdown or not, closing businesses or not, eventually the same saturation level of people who had been infected will be reached everywhere. 

So if, and only if, it turns out to be the case that there are are infections which cause chronic or long lasting damage, then that will be the same everywhere.

[chessman]

3 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Where did you buy your crystal ball?

Crystal ball not needed. Already in top 10 in terms of mortality.

[timendres]

2 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

China couldn't have done it better 

Feel free to believe the China "story". Feel free to move there. Then kiss your freedom goodbye.

[yuyiinthesky]

2 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

Not much less, only less. Its only because the population is so low that the unemployed aren't counted in the millions. Bankruptcies are everywhere here too

As said, Sweden depends on the International economy, on exports, and if the world is going down it affects Sweden too. This dependence cannot be changed by whatever Sweden does. 

At least in Sweden it is not collective suicide, coming from the inside, but externally induced.

[chessman]

2 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:

So whatever the strategy is, lockdown or not, closing businesses or not, eventually the same saturation level of people who had been infected will be reached everywhere. 

So some people say. It remains to be seen. I’d be very surprised if Norway or Finland reached 1000 deaths but obviously nobody knows.

 

many posters on here seem almost 100% sure that Sweden are following the correct strategy, the evidence is not there at the moment.

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, timendres said:

Feel free to believe the China "story". Feel free to move there. Then kiss your freedom goodbye.

Don't cut the quote you reply to.

[chessman]

6 minutes ago, timendres said:

Feel free to believe the China "story". Feel free to move there. Then kiss your freedom goodbye.

I’d read the post again, there’s no praise for China in the reference.

[timendres]

2 minutes ago, chessman said:

I’d read the post again, there’s no praise for China in the reference.

I see your point. The statement "China couldn't have done it better" is ambiguous.