In leaked call, Obama describes Trump handling of virus as chaotic

[TopDeadSenter]

7 hours ago, Sujo said:

There is no law against it, the just dont comment out of respect and custom. But trump threw that out the window by promising to show his tax returns then refusing to do so.

 

If trump has no respect for the customs of the office he cant complain when others follow suit.

 

These trump supporters sure like to whinge.

Great to hear such maturity. The left now welcome ongoing interference from ex POTUS's. So, after Trump has finally been replaced in 2024, you will welcome his daily running commentary and barbed Tweets aimed at whoever the new administration is. Uncomfortable truths forced in peoples faces, every day. Remember, it might even be a democrat government. Why do I get the feeling democrat supporters in such a situation would be unhappy with this? 

[Phulublub]

On 5/10/2020 at 9:17 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

 Joe's secret sauce has been causing enough problems already. 

 

 It is a disgrace that Obama can not be quiet and go away like the Bushes and other ex POTUS's did. Just no class whatsoever, either of them. Although I believe this turkey is starting to squawk due to his neck being on the chopping block as all the dreadful details of his illegal deep state spying and ginning up fallacious cases and investigations against Donald Trump. As any detective knows, the guilty party starts flapping when put under the spotlight. Exactly what we are witnessing now.

As Trump has been doing for years!

 

PH

[impulse]

If they leaked the part after the microphone was turned off, they'd have heard Obama say, "Biden...  What were you thinking???" or, "Biden...  My God is that the best we can do???"

 

I'm not a fan of Trump at all.  But the Dems conceded this one when they chose Biden.

[Phulublub]

45 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Great to hear such maturity. The left now welcome ongoing interference from ex POTUS's. So, after Trump has finally been replaced in 2024, you will welcome his daily running commentary and barbed Tweets aimed at whoever the new administration is. Uncomfortable truths forced in peoples faces, every day. Remember, it might even be a democrat government. Why do I get the feeling democrat supporters in such a situation would be unhappy with this? 

So hou disagree with Trump?  He is wrong?  Maybe for the first time EVER!!!!

 

How many days ago was it when he rounded on Bush for not publicly supporting him in 2016?

 

PH

[Somtamnication]

If you ever could create a painting of the chaos in this White House, it would be similar to a Dali painting; no sense whatsoever.

[stevenl]

9 hours ago, talahtnut said:

There's no such thing as a leak.

It just adds pique to what you're

meant to hear.

Of course there are leaks, look at all the unwanted information that left the WH.

[samran]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Great to hear such maturity. The left now welcome ongoing interference from ex POTUS's. So, after Trump has finally been replaced in 2024, you will welcome his daily running commentary and barbed Tweets aimed at whoever the new administration is. Uncomfortable truths forced in peoples faces, every day. Remember, it might even be a democrat government. Why do I get the feeling democrat supporters in such a situation would be unhappy with this? 

You and I both know that Obama and bush could have been the virtuous ex presidents and have said nothing, but come 29 January 2020 or 2024, he would have thrown that convention out the window not applying it to himself.

 

I mean, that’s why you like they guy right, he’s a bull in a china shop breaking everything all your political enemies hold dear and precious. 

[TopDeadSenter]

7 minutes ago, samran said:

You and I both know that Obama and bush could have been the virtuous ex presidents and have said nothing, but come 29 January 2020 or 2024, he would have thrown that convention out the window not applying it to himself.

So you are saying that because liberals assume Trump would comment on politics after his term ends, that it's OK for liberal ex POTUS's to interfere now? You can see a problem with this logic, right? Have liberals ever been wrong about Trump since he won? How has their record been for guessing his actions? I'll just leave it at that!

[samran]

7 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So you are saying that because liberals assume Trump would comment on politics after his term ends, that it's OK for liberal ex POTUS's to interfere now? You can see a problem with this logic, right? Have liberals ever been wrong about Trump since he won? How has their record been for guessing his actions? I'll just leave it at that!

His closest advisors can’t predict what he’s going to do.
 

Having said that, we both know that I’m right, he’s not going to all of a sudden stop tweeting. 
 

As for ‘liberals’ being wrong - what is with you guys? Is everyone who disagrees with your dear leader a ‘liberal’ are they, or is that just the go to tag you fellas you use?

Edited May 12, 2020 by samran

[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, samran said:

His closest advisors can’t predict what he’s going to do.
 

Having said that, we both know that I’m right, he’s not going to all of a sudden stop tweeting. 
 

As for ‘liberals’ being wrong - what is with you guys? Is everyone who disagrees with your dear leader a ‘liberal’ are they, or is that just the go to tag you fellas you use?

 

I'm right there with you on the Trump hating. But let's not forget there's a reason so many people were willing to throw away all reason and vote for someone like Trump. The neoliberal order, starting with Clinton has failed America. Every president, Republican and Democrat, from Bill Clinton through Barack Obama sold off pieces of the American Dream to their funders. Blair did the same in the UK. Gore cashed in. Yes Trump is horrible but don't denigrate him by showing what a fine example the other side has been. It's time for something entirely different. It is time for a UBI and a human centered version of capitalism.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by lannarebirth

[WalkingOrders]

16 hours ago, xylophone said:

Trump was not exonerated by my report, Robert Mueller tells Congress.

 

US President Donald Trump's claim that he was "totally exonerated" by special counsel Robert Mueller was rejected by Mr Mueller.

 

Mr Mueller said he had not exonerated Mr Trump of obstruction of justice and he concluded that Russia had interfered in the election with the intention of benefitting Mr Trump's campaign.

 

Trump has repeatedly said the Mueller report "fully exonerated" him from any wrongdoing, but Mueller pushed back, telling Congress, "That's not what the report said. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49100778

 

Perhaps you should take a break from all of this? Another holiday would give other posters a break. 

The expression about not being able to see the forest through the trees is appropriate here. It's a shame that people are still clinging to the whole idea that Donald J Trump is really a Russian double agent.

 

Even more shameful and comical is their insistance, even as this whole scam is crumbling before their faces, they can't let go, and run for the BBC as if this is going to prove something. My God man, the entire hoax was predicated on a wholly disproved dossier paid 50/50 by Hillary campaign and DNC used by FBI and a compliant press filled with paid intel operatives to remove Trump. And the proof keeps coming out. Look at it!

 

Read my lips: The entire USA sees this. They see how it began, how it was ran, no matter if you think Trump is the biggest dick head on the planet, what they did to him is abhorrent. It was filthy. This only ends in the most bitter way possible for DEMS. You want to know why?

 

Because they refuse to admit what they did and ask for forgiveness from the American people. And their can be no forgiveness untill Justice is served. You have to be blind if you can't see what's coming.

 

Seriously, this is bigger then any scandal in American history. We now know the Mueller report is filled with lies from the start of it to its final product. Go ahead serve some more links...BBC...or the other favorites of the jokesters here The Guardian, or Politico... etc.

 

Now, back to the forest....did the Mueller report find sufficient ammunition to remove the President?  Think man - the claim of colluding with the Russian state was being made. If the American people thought that was true he would already be in prison. Obviously its a ridiculous lie. Enough of the BS man.

 

Those who made such claims now are standing naked and shamed and justice is coming for them. It should be the hangman's noose, but we have no such punishment for their crimes.

[WalkingOrders]

14 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

In private, Trump and aides have discussed stripping China of its “sovereign immunity,” aiming to enable the U.S. government or victims to sue China for damages. George Sorial, who formerly served as a top executive at the Trump Organization and is involved in a class-action lawsuit against China, told The Washington Post he and senior White House officials have discussed limiting China’s sovereign immunity. Legal experts say an attempt to limit China’s sovereign immunity would be extremely difficult to accomplish and may require congressional legislation.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/30/trump-china-coronavirus-retaliation/

 

of course, this would open the floodgates!  imagine all the lawsuits that could be filed against the united states! 

 

wedding parties in afghanistan, birth defects in vietnam and fallujah, missing legs in cambodia, 500k dead children in iraq that were (at the time by somebody else) a price we considered worth it.....

The link to WAPO is behind a payment firewall so I cant read it. But curious as to why you would post this as if anonymous sourced drival about private conversations should be taken as fact? It could be propaganda designed to scare the CCP( obviously it has), or a lie, or a false narrative created from mear questions or hypotheticals from a conversation. Yet you post as fact? 

Edited May 12, 2020 by WalkingOrders
Sp

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

 

You can voice your opinion all you want, but the reality is the opinion of anyone outside the US is irrelevant.

Incorrect. Respect for the President of the USA is important for the global Rule of Law and influence of the Western democracies. trump's arrogance, current path to isolation and disregard for the Rule of Law will be proven to be a grave error of leadership, as it has been in other times of history.

Edited May 12, 2020 by simple1

[Tie Dye Samurai]

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The left now welcome ongoing interference from ex POTUS's. 

Yes because you just know in 2021 when Trump is down in Florida, "retired" from public office, that all of his tweets will be about peace love and understanding. (provided he even survives the Corona virus pandemic)

 

 

[lannarebirth]

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Incorrect. Respect for the President of the USA is important for the global Rule of Law and influence of the Western democracies. trump's current path to isolation and disregard for the Rule of Law will be proven to be a grave error, as it has been in other times of history.

 

Clinton, Bush and Obama were well respected because they kept surrendering competitive advantages to the detriment of their citizens. 

[EricTh]

Finally, someone like Obama dares to tell the truth.

[Berkshire]

4 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

4 hours ago, balo said:

80% of the world population agrees with Obama.   

You can voice your opinion all you want, but the reality is the opinion of anyone outside the US is irrelevant.

Why would you even make that point?  You don't listen to criticisms of Trump from inside the US.  And you know darn well there is plenty.

[Opl]

4 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

 

You can voice your opinion all you want, but the reality is the opinion of anyone outside the US is irrelevant.

but listening to Trump is an entertaining way of filling available brain time for observers outside the US, for in the end, not even Trump can B.S a virus  

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So you are saying that because liberals assume Trump would comment on politics after his term ends, that it's OK for liberal ex POTUS's to interfere now? You can see a problem with this logic, right? Have liberals ever been wrong about Trump since he won? How has their record been for guessing his actions? I'll just leave it at that!

So you think it's unusual and inappropriate for ex-Presidents to support candidates from their party in Presidential elections?  What do you think of that low-life Ronald Reagan supporting his Vice President Bush against Jimmy Carter in 1992?   https://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/09/us/1992-campaign-endorsements-reagan-endorses-bush-as-best-hope-for-nation.html

[TopDeadSenter]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

So you think it's unusual and inappropriate for ex-Presidents to support candidates from their party in Presidential elections?  What do you think of that low-life Ronald Reagan supporting his Vice President Bush against Jimmy Carter in 1992?   https://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/09/us/1992-campaign-endorsements-reagan-endorses-bush-as-best-hope-for-nation.html

I think it's unusual and inappropriate for ex-President Obama to suddenly start squawking and publicly panicking when the noose is closing in on his neck. Let us remember, the hoaxes that were launched by the democrat party (and released classified docs are starting to to show Obama may well have been the principal architect of the spying and hoaxes) have had 24/7 airtime on MSM for years and they were still playing with the failed Ukraine hoax as Covid was ravaging the world. If Obama and his team really did cause the 4 years of civil division and the worst political hoaxes and witch hunts ever, well then he and his crew will have to pay for their crimes. He can go quietly to face justice, or like most cowards, make a whole lotta noise as he desperately grasps for solid ground. 

[riclag]

53 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Clinton, Bush and Obama were well respected because they kept surrendering competitive advantages to the detriment of their citizens. 

The forgotten citizens!

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

 

You can voice your opinion all you want, but the reality is the opinion of anyone outside the US is irrelevant.

Not on this forum it’s not.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

The forgotten citizens!

That’ll be the over 80,000 dead Americans killed by this virus that Trump has failed to adequately respond to.

 

Now it’s in the WH it might get his attention.

[Tug]

6 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I think it's unusual and inappropriate for ex-President Obama to suddenly start squawking and publicly panicking when the noose is closing in on his neck. Let us remember, the hoaxes that were launched by the democrat party (and released classified docs are starting to to show Obama may well have been the principal architect of the spying and hoaxes) have had 24/7 airtime on MSM for years and they were still playing with the failed Ukraine hoax as Covid was ravaging the world. If Obama and his team really did cause the 4 years of civil division and the worst political hoaxes and witch hunts ever, well then he and his crew will have to pay for their crimes. He can go quietly to face justice, or like most cowards, make a whole lotta noise as he desperately grasps for solid ground. 

Stop it lol I almost had a accident I was laughing so hard there have been no hoaxes there’s reason for each and every investigation of trump he has succeeded in intimidation of almost all involved he’s in such deep trouble over his incompetence that he’s trying another distraction by smearing a better man and btw this imo is going to blow up in his face 

[KarenBravo]

On 5/10/2020 at 9:17 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

 Joe's secret sauce has been causing enough problems already. 

 

 It is a disgrace that Obama can not be quiet and go away like the Bushes and other ex POTUS's did. Just no class whatsoever, either of them. Although I believe this turkey is starting to squawk due to his neck being on the chopping block as all the dreadful details of his illegal deep state spying and ginning up fallacious cases and investigations against Donald Trump. As any detective knows, the guilty party starts flapping when put under the spotlight. Exactly what we are witnessing now.

Does it not work the other way, too? Never heard other presidents criticizing their predecessors.

The word "Obama" drives Trump crazy. 

[Sujo]

6 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Wow, a candidate broke a campaign promise. Sorry, I don't see how that is a game changer.

But you do when obama broke with custom and tradition.

[Sujo]

5 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Great to hear such maturity. The left now welcome ongoing interference from ex POTUS's. So, after Trump has finally been replaced in 2024, you will welcome his daily running commentary and barbed Tweets aimed at whoever the new administration is. Uncomfortable truths forced in peoples faces, every day. Remember, it might even be a democrat government. Why do I get the feeling democrat supporters in such a situation would be unhappy with this? 

He didnt make any public statement.

[metisdead]

An off topic baiting post and the off topic replies about NAFTA, etcetera have been removed. 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

So you think it's unusual and inappropriate for ex-Presidents to support candidates from their party in Presidential elections?  What do you think of that low-life Ronald Reagan supporting his Vice President Bush against Jimmy Carter in 1992?   https://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/09/us/1992-campaign-endorsements-reagan-endorses-bush-as-best-hope-for-nation.html

My apologies, I meant "against Bill Clinton in 1992", not Jimmy Carter.  I guess I'm showing my age.

[lannarebirth]

40 minutes ago, riclag said:

 You have stuck to a middle approach for the longest time ! I respect that

Do you think this was leaked or a publicity stunt gone wrong! I mean there was a few other stupid private statements he made!

I tend to think that "leaks" are made on purpose. I believe Obama wants to interject himself into the race but without having to come out for Biden. I think the strategy is Trump is so bad, that you should vote for the other guy. That's not a bad strategy, but it makes me wonder why they got rid of a dozen better "other guys" first.