samtam Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Went to visit the showroom/office for Raimon Land's The River condo, having received an invitation to do so over Songkran. Having spent so much money on advertising and general promotion, it is so strange that they then employ inexperienced girls whose sales skills are so inadequate. Firstly to encounter them sleeping en masse on the sofas was a bit of surprise, but perhaps indicative of how little interest they have had. But then to listen to a very amateurish sales pitch, which included a number of remarks about certain things being undecided, (eg Tower B being for serviced apartments or for sale as condos), and the release of only certain floors for sale, (the lower ones) and at prices ranging ffrom THB138-144k psqm, despite the initial claim that the prices were "about THB100k psqm". Well in my book there's quite a large variance between 100 and 144. Rather ironic that the sales blah includes a reference to this becoming Bangkok's premier location. It might have been worthwhile spending a little on better training the sales team, as it's created quite the opposite impression for me and others visiting. These prices are also pretty punchy in the current climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backflip Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 What in your post is supposed to convey any sense of "desperation" on the part of the developer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Went to visit the showroom/office for Raimon Land's The River condo, having received an invitation to do so over Songkran. Having spent so much money on advertising and general promotion, it is so strange that they then employ inexperienced girls whose sales skills are so inadequate. Firstly to encounter them sleeping en masse on the sofas was a bit of surprise, but perhaps indicative of how little interest they have had. But then to listen to a very amateurish sales pitch, which included a number of remarks about certain things being undecided, (eg Tower B being for serviced apartments or for sale as condos), and the release of only certain floors for sale, (the lower ones) and at prices ranging ffrom THB138-144k psqm, despite the initial claim that the prices were "about THB100k psqm". Well in my book there's quite a large variance between 100 and 144. Rather ironic that the sales blah includes a reference to this becoming Bangkok's premier location. It might have been worthwhile spending a little on better training the sales team, as it's created quite the opposite impression for me and others visiting.These prices are also pretty punchy in the current climate. Not an enouraging sign !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawtilus Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Heard several stories about Raimon....most not so confidance making. There are several projects around now offering giveaways and prizes.....the sales gimmicks are coming out left right and centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingobongo Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 backflip, you are in the "denial" stage of the cycle...see picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khutan Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Good one, I must show that to my boss :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Went to visit the showroom/office for Raimon Land's The River condo, having received an invitation to do so over Songkran. Having spent so much money on advertising and general promotion, it is so strange that they then employ inexperienced girls whose sales skills are so inadequate. Firstly to encounter them sleeping en masse on the sofas was a bit of surprise, but perhaps indicative of how little interest they have had. But then to listen to a very amateurish sales pitch, which included a number of remarks about certain things being undecided, (eg Tower B being for serviced apartments or for sale as condos), and the release of only certain floors for sale, (the lower ones) and at prices ranging ffrom THB138-144k psqm, despite the initial claim that the prices were "about THB100k psqm". Well in my book there's quite a large variance between 100 and 144. Rather ironic that the sales blah includes a reference to this becoming Bangkok's premier location. It might have been worthwhile spending a little on better training the sales team, as it's created quite the opposite impression for me and others visiting.These prices are also pretty punchy in the current climate. maybe the things are selling themselves. That is why the girls don't need to try too hard. If things were desperate, they be jumping (figuratively) all over you. Maybe it is just reverse phsyhology. One thing is for sure, the dudes at Raimon Land aren't silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiGoon Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 What in your post is supposed to convey any sense of "desperation" on the part of the developer? I was about to ask the same question. Not sure who's more desperate, the seller or the buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasreeve17 Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 What in your post is supposed to convey any sense of "desperation" on the part of the developer? I was about to ask the same question. Not sure who's more desperate, the seller or the buyers. And so speaks the voice of reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiGoon Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 And so speaks the voice of reason... I'm talking specifically about this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macular Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Went to visit the showroom/office for Raimon Land's The River condo, having received an invitation to do so over Songkran. Having spent so much money on advertising and general promotion, it is so strange that they then employ inexperienced girls whose sales skills are so inadequate. Firstly to encounter them sleeping en masse on the sofas was a bit of surprise, but perhaps indicative of how little interest they have had. But then to listen to a very amateurish sales pitch, which included a number of remarks about certain things being undecided, (eg Tower B being for serviced apartments or for sale as condos), and the release of only certain floors for sale, (the lower ones) and at prices ranging ffrom THB138-144k psqm, despite the initial claim that the prices were "about THB100k psqm". Well in my book there's quite a large variance between 100 and 144. Rather ironic that the sales blah includes a reference to this becoming Bangkok's premier location. It might have been worthwhile spending a little on better training the sales team, as it's created quite the opposite impression for me and others visiting.These prices are also pretty punchy in the current climate. maybe the things are selling themselves. That is why the girls don't need to try too hard. If things were desperate, they be jumping (figuratively) all over you. Maybe it is just reverse phsyhology. One thing is for sure, the dudes at Raimon Land aren't silly. Fixed hourly rate to do the job? -let's sleep till the shift is over. It would be quite different if there is high commission for the girls after the deal is sealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingobongo Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 (edited) for those of you keeping score at home: Backflip: 0 Thaigoon: 0 Reality: 1 2007 YOY #'s will be worse Edited April 17, 2007 by bingobongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiGoon Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 for those of you keeping score at home:Backflip: 0 Thaigoon: 0 Reality: 1 2007 YOY #'s will be worse That's an overall picture. It doesn't mean that every single property is struggling to sell. (I hope even you can understand what an "average" means.) I also was talking specifically about the story in the OP. To me, I didn't get any sense of deperation from the sellers' part at all. Like K. Samran said, "If things were desperate, they be jumping (figuratively) all over you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 (edited) for those of you keeping score at home:Backflip: 0 Thaigoon: 0 Reality: 1 2007 YOY #'s will be worse That's an overall picture. It doesn't mean that every single property is struggling to sell. (I hope even you can understand what an "average" means.) I also was talking specifically about the story in the OP. To me, I didn't get any sense of deperation from the sellers' part at all. Like K. Samran said, "If things were desperate, they be jumping (figuratively) all over you." Mode, median? The OP's point seems clear that the sales process is somewhat flawed, especially at those prices. What is interesting is that virtually the only positives one get about the property market are from those with vested interests in it. A real world example was the small {based on projections} impact that the Sky Train had on values. This was of course because many Thai would not be seen dead on it to this day. Regards /edit spelling // Edited April 17, 2007 by A_Traveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingobongo Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Slowing growth in housing loans foreseen: KRC http://etna.mcot.net/query.php?nid=28699 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rak sa_ngop Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 A few weeks ago I saw one development in Bangkok advertising "buy 3 units and get one free'. Is this a sign of desperation or just a good marketing ploy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiksilva Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 (edited) I think this was Harrison's project buy 4 units get one free targetting investors as opposed to owner occupiers. I think over the next 12 months you will see alot of interesting promotions... Edited April 18, 2007 by quiksilva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkrv Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 for those of you keeping score at home:Backflip: 0 Thaigoon: 0 Reality: 1 2007 YOY #'s will be worse That's an overall picture. It doesn't mean that every single property is struggling to sell. (I hope even you can understand what an "average" means.) I also was talking specifically about the story in the OP. To me, I didn't get any sense of deperation from the sellers' part at all. Like K. Samran said, "If things were desperate, they be jumping (figuratively) all over you." Mode, median? The OP's point seems clear that the sales process is somewhat flawed, especially at those prices. What is interesting is that virtually the only positives one get about the property market are from those with vested interests in it. A real world example was the small {based on projections} impact that the Sky Train had on values. This was of course because many Thai would not be seen dead on it to this day. Regards /edit spelling // I'm sorry your statement is impirically and verifiable false. Everyone, except street people (those who sleep on the street) have a vested interest in property i.e. a roof over their head. The question becomes who drives the property market up and who attempts to bring it down, motivations on both sides need to be equally considered. BTW two years ago I was told the skytrain was too expensive for Thias and was empty, during a two week holiday I never got a seat, they need to extend the length of their trains (I suspect already planned for, unlike the west) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkandrew Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 for those of you keeping score at home:Backflip: 0 Thaigoon: 0 Reality: 1 2007 YOY #'s will be worse That's an overall picture. It doesn't mean that every single property is struggling to sell. (I hope even you can understand what an "average" means.) I also was talking specifically about the story in the OP. To me, I didn't get any sense of deperation from the sellers' part at all. Like K. Samran said, "If things were desperate, they be jumping (figuratively) all over you." I wish the "average" number of posts per day you spew out would decrease... Perhaps you should take a bloody plane back to this town and see for yourself the collapse, rather than pontificating from afar about matters you you are ignorant of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupont Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 for those of you keeping score at home:Backflip: 0 Thaigoon: 0 Reality: 1 2007 YOY #'s will be worse That's an overall picture. It doesn't mean that every single property is struggling to sell. (I hope even you can understand what an "average" means.) I also was talking specifically about the story in the OP. To me, I didn't get any sense of deperation from the sellers' part at all. Like K. Samran said, "If things were desperate, they be jumping (figuratively) all over you." I wish the "average" number of posts per day you spew out would decrease... Perhaps you should take a bloody plane back to this town and see for yourself the collapse, rather than pontificating from afar about matters you you are ignorant of! Glad you pointed this out Andrew. Sure he is just a rich kid with a chip on his shoulder at uni in the states (judging by the times he post on here) who has no mates so comes on here trying to score points with us poor low class tourists. you're not going to get any real life self esteme this way Thaigoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiGoon Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 "the collapse". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkandrew Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 "the collapse". Glad you find it so funny. Your compatriates that actually have to live, work and do business here do not and your attitude, whilst insulated by life in USA makes them sick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiGoon Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 "the collapse". Glad you find it so funny. Your compatriates that actually have to live, work and do business here do not and your attitude, whilst insulated by life in USA makes them sick... Judging by the way you interpretted that post of mine, you obviously aren't one of the shrapest tools in the shed. Let me try again: "the collapse" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkandrew Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 "the collapse". Glad you find it so funny. Your compatriates that actually have to live, work and do business here do not and your attitude, whilst insulated by life in USA makes them sick... Judging by the way you interpretted that post of mine, you obviously aren't one of the shrapest tools in the shed. Let me try again: "the collapse" Hmmm. The emoticon you used was the lol (laugh out loud). How is this misunderstood?? It seems I interpretted (sic) your post in the shrapest (sic) state of mind, but you simply have no clue what you are talking about. Give up before you embarass youself and ashame your countrymen (that actually live here) still further... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkrv Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 I do not understand what is happening here but we are way off subject, IMO we are bordering on racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiGoon Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 Bkkandrew, I was laughing at the term (i.e. the prediction of) "the collapse." Clear and easy enough for you to understand now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 Thread off topic and going downhill. Closed. /admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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