Fearing an election loss, Trump allies push him to be less polarizing

[Morch]

10 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

You hope that Trump gets the virus? Well, we should at least from this vanquish all pretense that the Left is the "compassionate," "empathetic," party, the so-called "good-guys." They're the most intolerant, vitriolic, resentful, spiteful, bunch of hypocrites, humanity has had the dubious honor of bastardizing. I don't see too many right-wingers wishing death upon the careerist Joe Biden.

 

Are you SERIOUSLY going to preach about social distancing with endless BLM and Antifa mobs running amok in America?

 

A poster writing something silly (or even nasty) on an Thailand expat forum is apparently enough for you to condemn "the left" - and go on yet another hyperbole rant. As for right-wingers commenting on Biden, well according to many of you guys on this forum he's almost there anyway etc., but do go on about compassion and all that.

 

Are you seriously going on about social distancing while supporting Trump?

[Morch]

11 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

Trump isn't "polarizing" enough. And it's not Trump that's polarizing. It's the Democratic party becoming ever more radicalized since the 1980's. It's not the right-wing becoming radicalized. That's laughable. Nothing supports that. It's the Left that has become progressively more extremist. The only way to combat such extremism on the Left is appropriate extremism on the Right. Try to have a productive, centrist conversation with a purple-haired feminist and you might understand what I mean. 

 

Yeah, it's only one side's "fault". Sure. Believable. There are no radicalized right-wingers, and if there are it's only as a reaction to "the left".

 

As for having productive conversations, you can't seem to manage one even with posters on this forum.

 

[Morch]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I was capable of understanding that was a silly remark at a rally. Pity that some are apparently not.

 

It goes in the same category as "if you like your Dr you can keep your Dr, if you like your plan you can keep your plan" and pledges to close Guantanamo.

 

 

You're were certainly capable treating it seriously when it suited, and dismissing it when it did not. Trump, however, kept at it for more than a "silly remark at a rally", and long after the election campaign was over.

 

Don't recall you giving Obama a free pass on either of the statements mentioned, but then this was only another attempt at deflection, wasn't it?

[Morch]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I dream of having a conversation with a "purple-haired feminist", but sadly have never had the opportunity. I do, however, cherish the memory of putting a lefty political scientist well and truly down with a cutting retort.

I wish we knew who is behind all this very strange, to me, political movement. People didn't wake up one morning and decide to make the hysteria cause of the day to create "as many genders as possible" without being led to it.

 

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I do, however, cherish the memory of putting a lefty political scientist well and truly down with a cutting retort.

 

We're all entitled to our fantasies, yet in light of your reasoning on this topics, find this one rather far fetched.

 

As for the "who is behind" bit....guess social change doesn't happen unless there's a good old conspiracy theory to explain it all.

[Morch]

10 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Biden isn't the problem. He has very few accomplishments over 4 decades. The problem is the people he is surrounded by. If it was just Biden I wouldn't mind. Beto for head of the ATF, AOC for the environment and interior, Warren head of the treasury.

 

The left particularly at the state level lately have shown how power hungry they are. If it was the do nothing Biden of old I am okay with that. However the left has no problem dictating to you, if you can go outside, where you can go, who you can go with, what you will wear, if you can swim, if you can use a boat, if you can travel interstate, what you can say online, etc. etc.

 

I have never seen the rights of the average person being completely trampled upon as I have in the past 6 months. I remember as a kid reading the Handmaid's Tale thinking the religious right were scary. These people are just like that but don't believe in God. 

 

Meanwhile America turns into a lawless graffiti ridden ghetto, whilst the average guy who wants to work can't leave his house. Do they really want all of the USA to resemble CHOP?

 

Anything they run ends up being like that sooner or later. Places that were truly remarkable before they came to power. 

 

I hope they make a law that the campaign period lasts only 3 months. No ads or whatever before that.This impeachment/election cycle has gone on for 4 years. 

 

I have no idea what is going to happen but something tells me something very unusual will occur before November.

 

Other than in your rant, were any of the people singled out seriously mentioned as candidates for the posts listed? And even if they were, would they be at a disadvantage relative to the current office holders?

 

If you've never seem rights trampled, guess you missed the 60's and earlier. Not that after that all was dandy. But sure, whatever hyperbole serving the talking point of the day. And do go on about the "average person" - you know, the one who didn't vote for Trump, who doesn't go for either the current violence or the President's fanning of flames. Co opt these people, because anything goes when a partisan argument needs to be served as a message of false consensus.

 

[Morch]

10 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The weird thing is they think they are the main stream. They have done a great job insulating themselves from varied or different opinions. 

 

How do you define "main stream"? And why would you care? Traditionally, at least on this forum, Trump supporters abhor anything "main stream". Be it fact based media, popular vote, or polls referencing current matters. Fantasies about some huge, silent majority seeing things your way are just that - fantasies.

[Morch]

10 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

They are the mainstream. Whatever centrist Democrat has long ago conceded the podium to the radical Left. And in that way they are absolutely complicit. Who is a centrist voice in the Democratic Party who has had the courage of conviction to voice his or her opinions? Nobody, that's who. I mean regarding even the most egregious and absurd follies of the protest movement--I.e., tearing down the statue of an abolitionist? Not one member of that repellent and utterly spineless party of hypocrites.

 

Could you, likewise, quote any significant centrist, moderate voice among the Republicans? I daresay most are way too scared speaking their mind, fearing to anger Trump and his cohorts. These topics only serve to make this ever clearer, most voices are extreme ones.

[OZinPattaya]

On 7/7/2020 at 8:59 PM, mtls2005 said:

Fearing an election loss, Trump allies push him to be less polarizing

 

 

Well, he's not listening to his "allies" as he's become more polarizing.

 

He could EASILY be re-elected just by curbing his most basic instincts (greed, self-promotion, racism, narcisism, lack of empathy....).

 

Not sure if he wants to lose on purpose, or is just unable to control himself?

 

The base is peeling away, with even elderly, white, non-college educated numers going down.

 

Even the Russian vote won't help him.

 

BTW, I'm a Marxist, a Graucho specifically.

 

 

 

 

Trump is a terrible politician who more often than not does and says things that are antithetical to his own political interest. This is why 2016 was such an epic humiliating defeat, and if somehow you manage to lose in 2020 it will amaze me if the farce of the Democratic party ever outlives the notoriety for centuries to come. You lost to a guy who doesn't give a damn whether he's president. Is that a problem? Yes! But mainly to people like me who don't particularly care for the guy, nor the Republican party in general, but find the Democratic party even more pestilential and the gutless wonders who support it.

 

Hmm, in 2020, who to vote for? A man with an obnoxious personality or an empty figurehead of a political party that thinks that open borders are a good idea for the prosperity of a country and that hereditary sin should have all white people licking boots, to name a scant few of the hysterias? I know, it's a difficult choice. The lesser of two evils and all that.

Edited July 10, 2020 by OZinPattaya

[jordanmarcinkus]

58 minutes ago, OZinPattaya said:

Hmm, in 2020, who to vote for? A man with an obnoxious personality or an empty figurehead of a political party that thinks that open borders are a good idea for the prosperity of a country and that hereditary sin should have all white people licking boots, to name a scant few of the hysterias? I know, it's a difficult choice. The lesser of two evils and all that.

The Trump administration has awarded a major border security contract to a California technology start-up that will use artificial intelligence on an unprecedented scale, pairing the president’s giant steel barrier with the kind of “virtual wall” long favored by Democrats to prevent illegal crossings from Mexico.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/trump-virtual-border-wall/2020/07/02/7b380490-b0ac-11ea-a567-6172530208bd_story.html

[Cryingdick]

On 7/8/2020 at 4:34 AM, Morch said:

 

Other than in your rant, were any of the people singled out seriously mentioned as candidates for the posts listed? And even if they were, would they be at a disadvantage relative to the current office holders?

 

If you've never seem rights trampled, guess you missed the 60's and earlier. Not that after that all was dandy. But sure, whatever hyperbole serving the talking point of the day. And do go on about the "average person" - you know, the one who didn't vote for Trump, who doesn't go for either the current violence or the President's fanning of flames. Co opt these people, because anything goes when a partisan argument needs to be served as a message of false consensus.

 

 

I wasn't alive in the 60s I can only remember the tail end of the 80s so you are right. I did not vote for Trump either. Try reading my post without all of your preconceived notions of what you think an average Trump supporter is. 

 

As I said it isn't Biden that scares me. He actually was the driving force for gay rights and gay marriage. I guess you don't remember how the black community was opposed to the civil rights of others in the 90s right up until recent times.

 

It's the lunatics that he has to pander to that I worry about. You can be certain cabinet posts have been brokered to give Joe the nomination with no chaos at the convention. 

 

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Cryingdick

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

 

 

 

It's the lunatics that he has to pander to that I worry about. You can be certain cabinet posts have been brokered to give Joe the nomination with no chaos at the convention. 

 

 

Yet folks are running on blind hatred for Trump that they don't understand the consequences of biden winning.

[Tug]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Yet folks are running on blind hatred for Trump that they don't understand the consequences of biden winning.

Yea all that experience and teamwork would be just horrible oh the horrors lol 

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Yet folks are running on blind hatred for Trump that they don't understand the consequences of biden winning.

Trump has set the bar so low in all aspect of governance, economy, health, human rights, foreign policies, decency and morality for Biden that he will be seen as a white knight to a battered nation. 

[EVENKEEL]

8 minutes ago, Tug said:

Yea all that experience and teamwork would be just horrible oh the horrors lol 

just a sample of things to come.

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2020/07/09/new-squad-legislation-abolish-ice-and-dea-defund-the-police-deliver-reparations-n2572116

[jordanmarcinkus]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

just a sample of things to come.

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2020/07/09/new-squad-legislation-abolish-ice-and-dea-defund-the-police-deliver-reparations-n2572116

2 of the most left-wing reps offered this plan. So that makes it a certainty if Biden gets elected?

[Morch]

13 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

Trump is a terrible politician who more often than not does and says things that are antithetical to his own political interest. This is why 2016 was such an epic humiliating defeat, and if somehow you manage to lose in 2020 it will amaze me if the farce of the Democratic party ever outlives the notoriety for centuries to come. You lost to a guy who doesn't give a damn whether he's president. Is that a problem? Yes! But mainly to people like me who don't particularly care for the guy, nor the Republican party in general, but find the Democratic party even more pestilential and the gutless wonders who support it.

 

Hmm, in 2020, who to vote for? A man with an obnoxious personality or an empty figurehead of a political party that thinks that open borders are a good idea for the prosperity of a country and that hereditary sin should have all white people licking boots, to name a scant few of the hysterias? I know, it's a difficult choice. The lesser of two evils and all that.

 

Even them "scant few" bits you tried to present as Democrat policies aren't really true. Basically, you take Trump campaign memes and treat them as real. That the Democrat Party includes some elements which can be seen as too extreme is a fair comment. I kinda doubt if their actual strength merits painting the whole party (or even just Biden) as beholden to them.

[Morch]

10 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I wasn't alive in the 60s I can only remember the tail end of the 80s so you are right. I did not vote for Trump either. Try reading my post without all of your preconceived notions of what you think an average Trump supporter is. 

 

As I said it isn't Biden that scares me. He actually was the driving force for gay rights and gay marriage. I guess you don't remember how the black community was opposed to the civil rights of others in the 90s right up until recent times.

 

It's the lunatics that he has to pander to that I worry about. You can be certain cabinet posts have been brokered to give Joe the nomination with no chaos at the convention. 

 

 

 

So you want to feign ignorance about struggle for rights in the USA? That's your choice, but in doing so you just shot your own claim that the current situation is the worst. Worst compared to what, exactly?

 

I don't have preconceived notions about  Trump supporters. As for yourself, with over 4000 posts, many (if not most) expressing support for Trump or scorn for any opposition, there aren't many doubts.

 

You are yet to explain why you think Biden will have to pander to this or that group. You haven't provided any support for the claim that cabinet posts have been brokered, certainly not the list of names previously offered.

[Morch]

9 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Yet folks are running on blind hatred for Trump that they don't understand the consequences of biden winning.

 

Do tell.

[Morch]

9 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

just a sample of things to come.

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2020/07/09/new-squad-legislation-abolish-ice-and-dea-defund-the-police-deliver-reparations-n2572116

 

2 members of the so-called "squad" offered some legislation, and in your mind, it;s both a done deal and got the full backing of their party? Me, I think more PR stunt than substance, but each to his own.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 7/2/2020 at 4:31 PM, Sujo said:

Well at least he did achieve something. He did build a wall, but it was around the whitehouse.

 

Cant actually think of anything he has achieved. No wall. No lock her up. No repeal and replace.

Do I need to use the "L" word? Some of the wall has been built, so what does that make you? I can only assume your "negative attitude" to everything Trump has made you overlook reality.

Another thing you willfully overlook is TWO ( that's right, TWO ) conservative judges in SCOTUS. If he hadn't done anything else that's a very big anything.

I could educate you as to all the things that Trump has done, but you can google as easily as I.

 

Trump already said long ago that he wasn't going to lock her up, after all. Pity, that.

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[Phoenix Rising]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Do I need to use the "L" word? Some of the wall has been built, so what does that make you?

Correct. So what does that make you? Do I need to use the "I" word?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_wall

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 7/2/2020 at 3:59 PM, DoctorG said:

It is hard to think of any truly inspirational leaders anywhere in the world at the moment. Nominations are now open. ????

IMO that's because politics is so poisonous that no sane person wants anything to do with it. Why would anyone that loves their family subject them to the media hatred? Nothing is off limits now. Doesn't matter how long ago it happened, anything that can embarrass is dredged up to humiliate the politician.

Society has got the politicians they deserve IMO.

[Morch]

25 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Do I need to use the "L" word? Some of the wall has been built, so what does that make you? I can only assume your "negative attitude" to everything Trump has made you overlook reality.

Another thing you willfully overlook is TWO ( that's right, TWO ) conservative judges in SCOTUS. If he hadn't done anything else that's a very big anything.

I could educate you as to all the things that Trump has done, but you can google as easily as I.

 

Trump already said long ago that he wasn't going to lock her up, after all. Pity, that.

 

 

Your two talking point were addressed recently. Both debunked. Simply rehashing them, as if it's a first, is very Trumpian of you, but not conductive to actual discussion.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Your two talking point were addressed recently. Both debunked. Simply rehashing them, as if it's a first, is very Trumpian of you, but not conductive to actual discussion.

Some wall is built, two conservative judges on SCOTUS- those are facts and can't be "debunked, but keep deflecting by all means.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Some wall is built, two conservative judges on SCOTUS- those are facts and can't be "debunked, but keep deflecting by all means.

 

Both your talking points were addressed. You want to ignore that, again? Fine. You want to rehash it over? That's cool too, just funny when going about cognitive issues, dementia and so on. The some wall that is built is not even close to Trump's Wall, and some of it is ongoing construction and maintenance which he can't take credit for. Any right wing conservative President would have gotten them two SCOTUS posts, and probably with less fuss. Rings a bell?

[Phoenix Rising]

22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Some wall is built, two conservative judges on SCOTUS- those are facts and can't be "debunked, but keep deflecting by all means.

Has Mexico paid for the "some wall" yet?

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

2 members of the so-called "squad" offered some legislation, and in your mind, it;s both a done deal and got the full backing of their party? Me, I think more PR stunt than substance, but each to his own.

That is but a mere sample of what the crazies can come up with. You're being naïve if you don't take these extremists serious. 

[jordanmarcinkus]

10 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

That is but a mere sample of what the crazies can come up with. You're being naïve if you don't take these extremists serious. 

You think that's crazy. The Republicans nearly succeed in repealing Obamacare without having anything to replace it with. What's even crazier they're still trying to get rid of it and still have nothing to replace it with. And that's not just 2 member of the House but a  ofbut ab overwhelming majority of them in the House and the Senate. Nuts!

[Tie Dye Samurai]

17 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Yet folks are running on blind hatred for Trump that they don't understand the consequences of biden winning.

You know why? They have already seen the consequences of Trump winning. To quote one of the republican presidents of the 20th century in a debate when he was running for his first term: "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" And the answer for most people, especially according to recent polls is "no" in 2020.

 

Just in the last month: 

1. The Corona Virus is surging and I dont care if a state is red or blue, there is NO and I mean ***NO*** direction from the executive branch that is meaningful. Where the corona virus response is concerned WE SUCK and are the laughing stock of the world. And this comes from the man who told us the world was laughing at us in 2015 and he would put an end to it...he has only made the laughter louder and more deserved. He has openly put peoples lives on the line with politicizing wearing a mask, he is the worst kind of leader because he values his own needs over the country he governs and serves.

 

2. The Supreme Court just said the guy has to release his taxes...something every other president and presidential candidate has done since Gerald Ford was around. He acts like he is being PERSECUTED for doing what any other American would be expected to do at the drop of a hat. He is a narcissist that believes he is better and beyond the rest of us Americans. Who the hell does he really think he is anyhow? Seriously...even if you are MAGA...you have to wonder what he is hiding. And you have to know he is wrong for not releasing them if for any other reason to take that topic off the table.

 

3, He openly has stoked the fire of racism in America just so he can divide a nation and hope that the strength of his BASE will win an election. He does not even try to reach out to the country as a whole...his stunt in Lafayette Park a month ago just so he could hold up a bible for a photo op was BS in the highest degree. Again, who the hell does he think he is? POTUS or not that was unacceptable and anybody involved with that or supporting that blindly just because you are MAGA is unacceptable. If you are MAGA, seriously think about your reaction if it was Hillary doing that power walk in the wake of pepper gas and rubber bullets just so she could hold up a bible for a photo. How does Sean Hannity react to that?

 

All of us..left..right...indy....democrats...republicans...we need to seriously evaluate how we think about our country. We care more about being on the winning side than what is best for the nation as a whole. We care more about keeping what is ours and making sure anybody below us works harder than we had to to get what we already have. I hate Trump because he perpetuates and magnifies what is worst about our country. He doesn't inspire optimism for the future, he inspires, division, conquering and dominating more than half of the country to the benefit of the few and chosen. Trump has no empathy for others, he is not capable of making a choice that benefits anybody other than himself, he is not somebody that I would trust to raise and take care of my children if something happened to me. Why should I vote for him to lead the country I love for four more years?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

All of us..left..right...indy....democrats...republicans...we need to seriously evaluate how we think about our country. We care more about being on the winning side than what is best for the nation as a whole. We care more about keeping what is ours and making sure anybody below us works harder than we had to to get what we already have.

Finally said something I can agree with

 

8 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

I hate Trump because he perpetuates and magnifies what is worst about our country. He doesn't inspire optimism for the future, he inspires, division, conquering and dominating more than half of the country to the benefit of the few and chosen. Trump has no empathy for others, he is not capable of making a choice that benefits anybody other than himself, he is not somebody that I would trust to raise and take care of my children if something happened to me. Why should I vote for him to lead the country I love for four more years?

Do you not understand that Trump was elected not for his character, but because something has gone seriously wrong, IMO, with the US government and the populace rejected yet another swampy politician despite Trump not being a great candidate? Faced with a choice between bad and IMO really, really bad it's no wonder that people voted for the less bad candidate.

So long as swampy Biden remains the candidate, it's likely IMO that Trump wins again, despite everything against him. If the Dems want to win, IMO all they have to do is put a half way decent candidate in instead of Biden. Unfortunately they didn't clone Jack Kennedy and they are a bit short of non swampy decent candidates. Biden has to be Trump's opponent of choice since Warren saw the light, though HRC trying for a comeback would be even more ideal.

( Of course Kennedy would be crucified nowadays for being a womanizer )